Post AvKBmsgNEWRS27giKO by larsmb@mastodon.online
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(DIR) Post #AvJhl3tFaxTPaavYmW by f4grx@chaos.social
2025-06-20T07:15:54Z
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@ariadne nah, if I understood correctly, the CRA requires any commercial company that uses free software to be responsible for its security. Nothing is required from original upstream maintainers. @bert_hubert probably has more accurate info about this.
(DIR) Post #AvJqJ61excE1gxbIHI by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-06-20T10:38:07Z
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@wez @Sobex @ariadne Hmm so if instead of "pay me", the response they got was "send patches", that'd be easier for the company (but more difficult for the maintainer) ?
(DIR) Post #AvJsjrrxtwt9VuxXzk by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-06-20T11:05:23Z
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@ariadne I think there's an important distinction between the goal of someone just releasing their code as FOSS in hope it'd be useful (it might be "I need this to work on my computer, and it'd be a nice bonus if ot helps sb else")and the goals you described later, like "I want other people to move to Wayland" or "I want pkg-config ecosystem to improve".The latter are political goals - goals about changing other people's behaviour. 1/
(DIR) Post #AvJtFbMonBKDbDWSfo by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-06-20T11:11:07Z
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@ariadne So while I agree people who just release software that they wrote for themselves have the right to be left alone by corporations, for projects with oolitical goals I think the best we can hope for is that people know what they're signing up for.
(DIR) Post #AvKBavE3x2VSRjk8p6 by whitequark@mastodon.social
2025-06-20T14:36:38Z
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@wolf480pl @ariadne i think distributing source code with your work and inviting contributions is, in and of itself, a political act. it's just one you're familiar with enough it does not seem political to you
(DIR) Post #AvKBmsgNEWRS27giKO by larsmb@mastodon.online
2025-06-20T14:38:47Z
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@wolf480pl @wez @Sobex @ariadne Yes. And if it is regulatory pressure, THEY are also on the hook for support and maintenance and liable, so them building up the required capabilities inhouse (or outsourcing them) is unavoidable.
(DIR) Post #AvKKDHDBSL4NGu8F3A by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-06-20T16:13:14Z
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@whitequark @ariadne hm....how do we define politics?And assuming non-political things exist,can one incidentally commit political acts while pursuing non-political goals, without care for the political effects?
(DIR) Post #AvKKYKdttYqfzffVNA by whitequark@mastodon.social
2025-06-20T16:17:00Z
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@wolf480pl @ariadne even just going by your own definition it counts: "encouraging contributions of labor without compensation" and "normalizing exchange of complex works for free" both relate to changing other people's behavior(both the free software movement and the open source movement are political, for the same reasons and more)
(DIR) Post #AvKKok03NvqvGsr3b6 by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-06-20T16:20:01Z
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@whitequark @ariadne Right.But if I can succeed at my goal even if my acts do not sufficiently encourage contribution or labour without compensation, and don't sufficiently normalize the free exchange of complex worksthen it's easier to say "no".
(DIR) Post #AvKL5PfwCi999vOanY by p@raru.re
2025-06-20T16:23:00Z
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you didn't ask, but to me the work "political" is tautological.Pol means peopleso political is anything that involves peoplewhich when applied to people, is everything@wolf480pl
(DIR) Post #AvKL5TvKPQpmKocwLI by whitequark@mastodon.social
2025-06-20T16:23:00Z
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@wolf480pl @ariadne sure. i just don't think the distinction you're talking about exists as a bright line. open source software doesn't exist in a vacuum, you're able to achieve these goals--to some extent, even _conceptualize_ them--because thousands before you pursued these other ones
(DIR) Post #AvKLZRZxgtjZkav6zg by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-06-20T16:28:27Z
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@whitequark @ariadne Is it political for a state to set limits on emissions of particular pollutants into the atmosphere? Hell yeah.But is it political for me to breathe that air?
(DIR) Post #AvKLl7ffXAUHTx9tPE by whitequark@mastodon.social
2025-06-20T16:30:32Z
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@wolf480pl @ariadne i don't think this is a reasonable comparison. one is an involuntary function that you literally cannot survive without. another is something you go out of your way to do with your free time, entirely unrelated to your survival
(DIR) Post #AvKLlfS1wNmQFV2Trs by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-06-20T16:30:40Z
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@p I thought it was derived from "polis", the city-state, and thus "political" in the strictest sense would mean "relating to what the state should do".I think that'd be a very narrow definition, but at least it'd be useful as it doesn't encompass everything
(DIR) Post #AvKLovp3WqDttPMino by p@raru.re
2025-06-20T16:31:12Z
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there is no state without peopleI'm not against distinctions, but sometimes they're just superfluous @wolf480pl
(DIR) Post #AvKLrqLuK5SDnQ7Uzw by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-06-20T16:31:46Z
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@p yeah but if everything is political then the word is useless
(DIR) Post #AvKLunKU1E3BHzrRgW by p@raru.re
2025-06-20T16:32:17Z
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yeah, so I avoid it, similarly with the "populism/ist" as it's been bastardised @wolf480pl
(DIR) Post #AvKM448etLFM1pkcaG by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-06-20T16:33:59Z
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@p remember when words used to mean stuff instead of just being banner to rally your supporters?
(DIR) Post #AvKM6RP3MkholFYI2y by p@raru.re
2025-06-20T16:34:23Z
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funny you should say that, I was literally in the middle of typing out this:> I think there's lots of word games out there people use a distractions to ward off any usurpation/competition@wolf480pl
(DIR) Post #AvKMieaIo2K2eA2Dyq by p@raru.re
2025-06-20T16:37:44Z
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kinda feels like a tower of babel type situation lots of people shouting at each other in the same language, but no one actually communicating @wolf480pl
(DIR) Post #AvKMifV1P9gzU4ZWO8 by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-06-20T16:41:18Z
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@p people letting their traumas speakquicklymake someone else remember theirsthey can't hurt you when they're triggered
(DIR) Post #AvLEGsH7hppEWYGbmi by ignaloidas@not.acu.lt
2025-06-21T02:41:20.962Z
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@whitequark@mastodon.social @wolf480pl@mstdn.io @ariadne@social.treehouse.systems I'd say there's different levels to this? There is stuff you publish as open source in "hey, look what I made, you can use it if you want" kind of way, and there are things that you publish in a "hey, look what I made, I think everyone should use this" kind of way. Both start with the same actions, but one is mostly focused just showing a cool thing you made (a self-focused goal), with a potential for others to use it, while other is focused on promoting and improving it so that everyone should/will use it (a population-focused goal). In one case the politics is essentially one-and-done, you just show your position on some questions, while in the other, the whole project is in a sense political, with a specific long term aim for it, which is the reason for it's existence in the first place. I don't think libxml2 was built for the purpose of having an XML library that everyone in the world will use (or at least that's not the current the goal of the maintainer), while pkgconf (AFAIU) has the goal to be used as widely as possible.