Post AvAzUnUspGmIrlHi8O by icedquinn@blob.cat
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(DIR) Post #AvAJW1XltGfae5XPaS by dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz
2025-06-15T20:18:03.690608Z
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https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/X11Libre
(DIR) Post #AvAJdT2Y3eCrx2U03s by AkIN5RMKVSkgqIBLWa.jeff@mk.magicka.org
2025-06-15T20:19:40.403Z
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@dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz this is the beginning of the end for wayland
(DIR) Post #AvAJkR3toLyRqKRB8y by dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz
2025-06-15T20:20:45.425441Z
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@jeff XLibre is going to be the dumbest fork of the year, and we are just in the middle of it
(DIR) Post #AvAJoV78geIdZLtKBE by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-06-15T20:21:40.236462Z
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@dirb >The Change Owner does NOT share or endorse upstream's political views! "Lets all work together hand in hand in love and peace :senpai_heart_love: ""HOW DARE YOU ! DIE :futa_gun: "
(DIR) Post #AvAJvSlRp1dSJB46LY by AkIN5RMKVSkgqIBLWa.jeff@mk.magicka.org
2025-06-15T20:22:55.667Z
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@mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz wayland cannot handle competition, that's the truth behind this whole drama.
(DIR) Post #AvAJyMuu1G9R2csC4e by takao@shitposter.world
2025-06-15T20:23:27.260003Z
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@jeff @dirb
(DIR) Post #AvAK2VlD546RczJa9A by dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz
2025-06-15T20:24:02.705651Z
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@mangeurdenuage "Lets all work together hand in hand in love and peace, while throwing shit at the people providing me free hosting"
(DIR) Post #AvAK6WLGrOJ0ae5smm by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-06-15T20:24:55.288141Z
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@jeff @dirb Corpos don't want competition/free market. That's what it is.wayland is probably on the list of how proprietary game developers/gpu manufacturers want it to go and having people not implementing their DRM and other anti freedom functions is haram for them.
(DIR) Post #AvAKB7dY8nGjPrq0LQ by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-06-15T20:25:45.483106Z
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@dirb Depending of MS github is a mistake yes :sadcowboy:
(DIR) Post #AvAKG9wSzvmm0t5W9A by vertka@suya.place
2025-06-15T20:26:37.630456Z
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@takao @jeff @dirb sinkland
(DIR) Post #AvAKcV8krdYe84UO5Q by dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz
2025-06-15T20:30:32.928297Z
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@mangeurdenuage @jeff no this has noting to do with corpos not wanting competition. it's just the same reason Mir did as a protocol, no body wants the extra work of maintaining a second display protocol/server at this point, like when Canonical tried to commit some changes to the intel driver they needed to Mir and Intel say Fuck You
(DIR) Post #AvAM5rik5bnIVst6XY by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-06-15T20:47:13.049428Z
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@dirb @jeff I don't know much about the lore detail. The recent behavior of many people about this fork is enough to show that something is wrong.I didn't give a dam about wayland until I saw how redhat gnome freedesktop and other people normally representing such entities behaved, I just trusted they tried to improve on xorg.It's not only childish but also spiritually against the whole principals of software freedom.But I repeat, I don't know about previous lore, thus I don't know about the people who made the fork either and only establish my view on what has transpired from the establishment of the fork.
(DIR) Post #AvANRrIaRFNHWuhkp6 by AkIN5RMKVSkgqIBLWa.jeff@mk.magicka.org
2025-06-15T21:02:23.766Z
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@dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world except everything already works with x11 so it's a real threat to wayland
(DIR) Post #AvANa9E5fVBhRoYQAy by AkIN5RMKVSkgqIBLWa.jeff@mk.magicka.org
2025-06-15T21:03:53.837Z
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@mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz they tried to kill xorg and force everyone onto wayland.
(DIR) Post #AvANphobLlBX4D3BvE by dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz
2025-06-15T21:06:32.474844Z
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@mangeurdenuage @jeff I will try to keep it short, but thing I know about this fork is that it's been made be a solo developer that has been contributing a lot to the Xorg in the past year, almost him alone rose up the number of commits in 2024 to the levels of 2013.The problem is that most of the other people working at Xorg consider the project to be at maintenance mode I don't want to speed a lot of time reviewing or correcting his changes, and there had been a lot of his merges that had to be reverted because he kept breaking stuffso a fork was natural at this point, and I think no one at the freedesktop would had mind that, but he had to throw shit at them at the README.md when he made this repo, that's why he got bannedif you want a more neutral commentary about the situation look at the Brodie's videohttps://youtu.be/iCU4W5Ab33c
(DIR) Post #AvAO43atAp2SfPTo6y by dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz
2025-06-15T21:09:08.144426Z
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@jeff @mangeurdenuage yeah, but don't expect XLibre to just work like Xorg does right now, he even broke xranr at some point
(DIR) Post #AvAPklTEX2LcrdpMUi by AkIN5RMKVSkgqIBLWa.jeff@mk.magicka.org
2025-06-15T21:28:12.955Z
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@dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world to be fair, the "xorg broke again" meme was not an arch linux specific issue. if anyone updates it, it breaks. i understand why the developers decided to make wayland, i just wish they didn't also act like insuferable shitstains, e.g. drew devault, child porn enthusiast and wayland developer.
(DIR) Post #AvARelkYmPFLtyCVDU by sun@shitposter.world
2025-06-15T21:49:31.410722Z
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@dirb @jeff @mangeurdenuage you're right about the tech issues but you look at the reeeee reactions by freedesktop devs before this and the coordinated actions, pretty clear they have emotional problems
(DIR) Post #AvASTRyM4VCdKcoswC by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-06-15T21:58:42.334703Z
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@jeff @dirb >it's a real threat to waylandI don't think it would be correct to consider other free software to be a menace to other free software.What can be however are the people that are behind it and it's something that can't be solved with tools as it's a social issue.>they tried to kill xorg and force everyone onto wayland.They are the people who maintained the software. If it was their decision to migrate to something else they made in a better form that's their choice, and nobody is entitled to force them to maintain something they don't want to.However the behavior they had when the fork was made was quite an angry one that is worrying as, I repeat, it is unjustified and childish.Thus my worries about corpos behind this might explain that behavior.
(DIR) Post #AvAT4z1g8rWYYnGtge by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-06-15T22:05:29.203391Z
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@dirb @jeff >but he had to throw shit at them at the README.md The readme wasn't that bad imo. It's paranoia if it's unjustified, and it's caution if it is, and I think it is.https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/commit/5387f9d7f1a1c2bb401e077a8b080e564ad79b5d>if you want a more neutral commentary about the situation look at the Brodie's videoMy trust in any yt people covering/targeting gnu/linux has fallen to 0 for a while.
(DIR) Post #AvATDmIAr7Y3fmBGYy by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-06-15T22:07:05.018327Z
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@dirb @jeff >but don't expect XLibre to just work like Xorg does right now, he even broke xranr at some pointSome of the changes needed in xorg just for the security that wayland is trying to cover break many things yes.
(DIR) Post #AvATJl8m3BTFq3dUv2 by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-06-15T22:08:09.574657Z
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@sun @dirb @jeff >pretty clear they have emotional problemsIt's either that or the legal entities financing them or both.
(DIR) Post #AvATNBzEh3Ozy9oO7k by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-06-15T22:08:46.813108Z
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@sun @dirb @jeff Social bs is so tiresome :saddest: I hate what the 2012 events created.
(DIR) Post #AvATxZmpgPxMCzML0C by dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz
2025-06-15T22:15:11.740915Z
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@sun @jeff @mangeurdenuage I would the the XLibre developer had some emotional problems too, most of his contributions that were rejected on technical merits, but in his mind it was because of political reasons. I think if he hasn't started his README like this no one would had mind his fork and he wouldn't had got bannedhttps://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/blob/5387f9d7f1a1c2bb401e077a8b080e564ad79b5d/README.md
(DIR) Post #AvAUJgLFzXWSuU0ArY by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-06-15T22:19:21.212348Z
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@dirb @jeff @sunObviously this was done in frustration.I find it quite reasonable as to my knowledge he didn't directly harass nor menace nor insult anyone compared to the reaction the "opposition" had.Like I said it's either paranoia if it's unjustified or it's caution if it's justified.
(DIR) Post #AvAUfhSuUlhglV53nk by sun@shitposter.world
2025-06-15T22:23:19.650000Z
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@dirb @jeff @mangeurdenuage the people that banned him talk worse than that on mastodon fwiw
(DIR) Post #AvAUrdM5bNwVUda3uK by dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz
2025-06-15T22:25:20.217128Z
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@mangeurdenuage @jeff @sun >he didn't directly harass nor menace nor insult anyone compared to the reactionI don't know about that, he called the freedeskop self "boycotting" "EEE" and "corpo moles", while they only said he broke their CoC and banned his account
(DIR) Post #AvAV0akOfS9q0kDoLg by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-15T22:27:04.522733Z
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@sun @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage would have to spend more effort than i want to spend to verify claims of patches having no technical meritred hat properties already have a long history of geniuses shitting on them for hiring retards
(DIR) Post #AvAV40LZweGwHAEz68 by dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz
2025-06-15T22:27:33.988612Z
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@sun @jeff @mangeurdenuage yes, but they kept those opinions outside of the freedesktop's gitlab. I just think people would be more respectful of the ones that give you free hosting if were aren't talking of mega corp sites
(DIR) Post #AvAVDZjVkYlYd6zyEK by sun@shitposter.world
2025-06-15T22:29:26.868762Z
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@icedquinn @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage I haven't commented too much on this because I don't know the details either I just know that a bunch of maintainers acted like assholes and were looking for any reason to get rid of the guy. dirb's probably right but I'm limiting my commentary too their comments and the coordinated lockout
(DIR) Post #AvAVOtQerSnktvZpJ2 by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-15T22:31:28.018839Z
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@sun @dirb @jeff @mangeurdenuage i remember reading heintjens' blog when he was doing a retrospective on the times red hat tried to work with him on some stuff. mostly about how he'd show them how to meta-model things to develop them quickly (he ran imatix, made GSL, and used this to make some web server back in the day, though he used it less for zeromq because so many people whined) and they kept insisting on doing literally everything wrong.like they wouldn't use the free tools, it HAD to be XSLT and other gnome stack crap. and they were significantly less effective and fought specialists on how much they knew better than everyone (they didn't) even though they bothered to contract people who were literally specialists in the thing they were failing at doing.complete ass clown company. predisposed to believe the product owners just rejected whatever it was out of hand.
(DIR) Post #AvAVPvGxUb4QuNWz4a by sun@shitposter.world
2025-06-15T22:31:40.727248Z
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@dirb @jeff @mangeurdenuage you're right just remember that their friends think that stuff you say outside of a project. I don't think any of them should be "actionable" but freedesktop doesn't have to host a repo that insults them, no
(DIR) Post #AvAVS1ps3uEzqIrhXU by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-15T22:32:02.792411Z
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@sun @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage freedesktop has already set the precedent they're just locking out anyone who is better at the job than the DEI hires are.
(DIR) Post #AvAVTHnmBYuZeOU86S by sun@shitposter.world
2025-06-15T22:32:17.270820Z
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@icedquinn @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage I know some people that worked there, I should ask them
(DIR) Post #AvAVVdK38xsqyThS2S by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-15T22:32:41.922373Z
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@sun @dirb @jeff @mangeurdenuage re: they blacklisted the hyprland guy and he basically doesn't even interact with redhat IIRC
(DIR) Post #AvAVW6PiywedCTZtPU by sun@shitposter.world
2025-06-15T22:32:47.838640Z
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@icedquinn @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage I was neutral on that part but that's interesting if you tell me that.
(DIR) Post #AvAViNy5XdJb7QVa7s by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-15T22:35:00.208315Z
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@sun @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage well we have leaked IBM footage that the indian managers are trying to purge all the whites, and a long history of blacklisting people with little interaction (hyprland), being absolutely incorrigible to work with (heintjens), and absolutely just relying on body weight to force changes (debian's reason for adopting systemd), corporate sold out to an actual unironic nazi corporation (IBM acquisition)RH has like literally zero benefit of the doubt banked up. its possible the xlibre guy is a chud but i'm severely predisposed to believe RH just wants to force wayland for some reason.
(DIR) Post #AvAVuatJJuI0fp5xHE by thendrix@social.hendrixgames.com
2025-06-15T22:37:07.527332Z
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Never forget:Holly Million, a self-ordained "professional shaman," served as the executive director of the GNOME Foundation, a non-profit organization behind one of the most used desktop environments for the Linux operating system. She was hired in October 2023 and left the organization by the end of July 2024, after nine months in the role.Redhat getting bought by IBM pretty much turned them into a force for evil in the world. It's not just their racist hiring practices, but they're honestly they're just there to sabotage linux much like those contractors killing AAA games.
(DIR) Post #AvAVxiMjzBVYizLgRc by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-15T22:37:45.886181Z
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@sun @dirb @jeff @mangeurdenuage nobody asked but i feel like if this wasn't a shit op the response from corporate would just be "we're phasing out the X server and don't feel like its in our customers interests anymore, feel free to take that up in your own community repositories though" and not like, an absolutely vitriolic reaction.
(DIR) Post #AvAW0ab5KGkLV1QeW0 by dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz
2025-06-15T22:38:08.778652Z
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@icedquinn @jeff @mangeurdenuage @sun haha yes, those evil corpos are trying to force on us a DISPLAY PROTOCOL to clean the whites or something
(DIR) Post #AvAW2x9sPnKM3CpV0y by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-15T22:38:43.424775Z
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@dirb @jeff @mangeurdenuage @sun disingenuous response.
(DIR) Post #AvAW9KKVB3WpeXq3uq by sun@shitposter.world
2025-06-15T22:39:52.740622Z
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@dirb @icedquinn @jeff @mangeurdenuage I think quinn i just saying that redhat is filled with assholes on a variety of topics
(DIR) Post #AvAWPNU9DFSK4b0Jai by thendrix@social.hendrixgames.com
2025-06-15T22:42:42.828878Z
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Like I mentioned to Lunduke, it's just the old Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish playbook. IBM wants a method to slow/kill Linux development and hold control over that swamp. It's not hard to figure out. You hold the cards and don't let anyone else get at the table to keep your slowly dying corpo lic contracts.
(DIR) Post #AvAWQlogEeynpBGvXE by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-15T22:43:01.111616Z
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@sun @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage i listed a number of discrete searchable incidents in the specific context of why i would not give RH deference in a 50/50 balance of concerns.they have not shown that they have ever acted in good faith in much of anything.
(DIR) Post #AvAWVRemcFNMkSs7N2 by dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz
2025-06-15T22:43:43.686358Z
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@sun @icedquinn @jeff @mangeurdenuage yeah, but wayland isn't just a redhat effort, it also has intel, amd, the kde guys and a bunch of smaller projects behind it, but people keep trying to find malicious behind it. at the end it's just that the people working with Xorg got tired of supporting it
(DIR) Post #AvAWfojHgg2HCcvI9o by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-15T22:45:44.230423Z
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@dirb @jeff @mangeurdenuage @sun i still use[d] xorg because i regularly slam in to issues with wayland being inadequate and incomplete.wanting to get out of x is fine and all there's just no reason to have such toxic reactions to people not wanting to do so because wayland isn't solving their problems
(DIR) Post #AvAWnkegichGsqYZIe by sun@shitposter.world
2025-06-15T22:47:11.417550Z
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@icedquinn @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage I still use xorg too, I don't need new features I just need someone to keep it working and secure
(DIR) Post #AvAWqZsvDf44LfYuHY by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-15T22:47:41.000586Z
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@sun @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage x will never be secure
(DIR) Post #AvAWslB0Cyk3wq3khs by sun@shitposter.world
2025-06-15T22:48:05.764144Z
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@dirb @icedquinn @jeff @mangeurdenuage it is a combination
(DIR) Post #AvAWtyE7AonMiD5nTE by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-06-15T22:48:19.400813Z
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@icedquinn @jeff @dirb @sun Such is the fate of computing.
(DIR) Post #AvAWu4qcYZA5FN9dK4 by sun@shitposter.world
2025-06-15T22:48:20.215323Z
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@icedquinn @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage I know what you mean
(DIR) Post #AvAX3LlX1dkIK6CBii by dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz
2025-06-15T22:49:51.625392Z
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@sun @icedquinn @jeff @mangeurdenuage I was still using Xorg until like a year ago, I do still miss the ability of X11 WMs to just bypass composition if they wanted. but that's a concept it just doesn't exist on wayland
(DIR) Post #AvAX4ARmapFfVcLdWC by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-15T22:50:08.184274Z
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@sun @dirb @jeff @mangeurdenuage x allows some pretty wild reaching in to everything else connected to the server. you could try to impose isolation, maybe, though its breaking some assumptions in the server.wayland is partly nice in that you have the opportunity from the start to access control things. problem is there are a lot of power user tasks like "THIS program is allowed to screen record" and "THIS program is allowed to global hotkey these 3 buttons" that wayland doesn't do, and upstream is too bull headed to listen to those of us who do those things, and instead of a single ball of mud X server we're back to the bad old days where every fucking display server has to cowboy APIs for common tasks.this was tolerable in the 90s because we did not know yet those would be common tasks. its intolerable in the oughts because we have 40 years of computing to know that these are things people do.
(DIR) Post #AvAX8yTWX1i7pJSEbY by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-15T22:51:00.861520Z
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@dirb @jeff @mangeurdenuage @sun yeah and thats something we still need to do. games / multimedia solutions do not benefit from and are actively bothered by injecting layers between render and output
(DIR) Post #AvAX9mZcGeIFCggo2i by sun@shitposter.world
2025-06-15T22:51:10.310864Z
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@dirb @icedquinn @jeff @mangeurdenuage its probably better now but I had just way too much stuff that only worked in x11. I have opinions about wayland but it seems to finally mostly work but I don't want to think about it, xorg works with everything every time. I'll switch when I have no problems
(DIR) Post #AvAXB3gQ8hg0YfTr7I by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-15T22:51:23.452031Z
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@dirb @jeff @mangeurdenuage @sun steam does some shenanigans to reimplement compositor bypass iirc
(DIR) Post #AvAXIf1dhTVeOs1x56 by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-15T22:52:45.350236Z
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@sun @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage yeah afaik most wayland pains are because wayland did something objectively wrong.which should be a case of opening a ticket about stubbing one's toe and getting it put in a pool to solve. what actually happens is RH just tells you to eat glass.
(DIR) Post #AvAXIneZcbPH9wJ9sW by dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz
2025-06-15T22:52:38.210805Z
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@icedquinn @jeff @mangeurdenuage @sun yeah, but the steam os compositor is made for a single window when run on handled mode, in desktop mode they use win
(DIR) Post #AvAXMHbAk71stwNUZ6 by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-15T22:53:24.529908Z
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@nemesis @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage @sun x is also effectively complete
(DIR) Post #AvAXSn36itpYBHXzYe by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-06-15T22:54:31.614581Z
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@dirb @icedquinn @jeff @mangeurdenuage @sun I think Wayland is smarter when it comes to vulkan/gl passthrough
(DIR) Post #AvAXZPvt4HGQVuKWrg by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-15T22:55:47.236066Z
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@hj @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage @sun not really.your particular server may support an extension to negotiate passthrough.wayland is literally back to the bad old x days of having to figure out if you are on a broken distro or not
(DIR) Post #AvAXr9ObI4EqRDDThQ by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-15T22:58:59.479420Z
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@hj @dirb @jeff @mangeurdenuage @sun i doubt most of the people involved have read the wayland book or done low level code. if all you know is "i use GTK and/or Vala" then you don't know what any of this means. if all you know is electron, then you know literally nothing.wayland is heavily geared towards the generic bullshit job worker tasks. if thats the software you make and use then you won't notice anything wrong with it. it just works.if you want to make an assistive addon for the blind, though, get fucked.
(DIR) Post #AvAXsHBZoTPgt5f47M by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-06-15T22:59:06.843660Z
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@icedquinn @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage @sun well broken distros are a downer [looks at Debian]X11 has to rely on 11 layers of hacks to make it work on modern environment all ow which undermines it's architecture. It's like having a boat on wheels or train with wings. T. Seen two video essays on X11
(DIR) Post #AvAXwtLNsrC8OKRw6y by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-15T23:00:02.312007Z
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@hj @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage @sun x definitely tried to do too many things that ultimately nobody wanted it to do in the end.
(DIR) Post #AvAY8jGTBTOSbdnNM8 by sun@shitposter.world
2025-06-15T23:02:11.295106Z
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@icedquinn @jeff @dirb @hj @mangeurdenuage I used to be an accessibility advocate in a company I worked at and wayland not having accessibility as a first class feature always bothered me a lot because you can architect your way into a place where you can't bolt it on later easily
(DIR) Post #AvAYGrpfDJ0tUk8bBY by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-15T23:03:38.230845Z
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@sun @jeff @dirb @hj @mangeurdenuage you could do these things through extensions. its just that you are asking people to rewrite code that already works and go through all the bureaucracy to push features they already use.and then pray that wlroots accepts it so you don't have to go do it all over again for 12 different upstreams
(DIR) Post #AvAYH2nwQ3AhWaPsWm by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-06-15T23:03:40.200928Z
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@sun @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage it's completely nonsensical to me since you can just easily kill x11 by just not supporting it. they dont have to be babies about it like how they have been behaving
(DIR) Post #AvAYMUNNKuksU4aR2u by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-15T23:04:39.868678Z
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@sun @dirb @hj @jeff @mangeurdenuage anyway i derailed the politics bitching thread with technical posts sorry i'll deport myself back to youtube :comfyderp:
(DIR) Post #AvAYkrubTw90Qgko7M by sun@shitposter.world
2025-06-15T23:09:04.863316Z
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@hj @icedquinn @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage ALL SOFTWARE IS POLITICAL RAAAAAAAAARRGHHH
(DIR) Post #AvAYtZRXW9kpkvJDmq by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-15T23:10:37.307728Z
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@nemesis @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage @sun @mischievoustomato i don't believe its a technical problem. people who had those problems reported them early on and suggested extensions.they were mostly told to go fuck themselves because it didn't fit RH's vision.
(DIR) Post #AvAaXozlDOePWj4YhU by PalePimp@poa.st
2025-06-15T23:29:05.543753Z
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@thendrix @sun @icedquinn @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage The XFREE86 part of Xorg is not something one single inexperienced developer can tackle. The whole thing including parts of X11 is without exaggeration an architectural catastrophe, XFREE86 is and always will be absolute technological garbage, the fact that it works as we as it does currently is short of a miracle.The problem with Enrico (the owner of xlibre fork) is that he hasn't proven anything he claims, most of the changes he made are reasonably questionable and yes he is a chud and infuriated the RH trannies, the kernel trannies and the Gnome trannies, he's made a lot of trannies angry, and in FOSS you do not make the trannies angry if you can't deliver. Enrico has been acting like an idiot if he thinks dropping red pils on people who are political lunatics and slaves in a corporation that forces them to be politically correct is helping anybody, he should shut up with the politics, not because I believe he is wrong or anything, but because the crazies love activism and he is painting a target on his back and on the project.Issue with wayland is that it fixes some problems while creating many others because it is a protocol when what we need is a fucking replacement for XFREE86 and to make things worse both Gnome and Nvidia have been actively sabotaging the project for years.What is going to happen is that (unless a miracle, don't count on it) for the next 10 years if you need a full feature Linux desktop you're stuck with obsolete abandonware quirky XOrg or a myriad of forever unfinished and buggy wayland compositors.
(DIR) Post #AvAaq1JGAWUCvqs3hQ by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-15T23:32:21.885625Z
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@nemesis @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage @sun @mischievoustomato "but i need it to do this""get rekt chud that wouldn't be secure, wontfix."i might be blind and completely unable to use the computer but at least it meets some nerd's idea of security :comfythumbsup:
(DIR) Post #AvAau2poRNTcov14Vc by AkIN5RMKVSkgqIBLWa.jeff@mk.magicka.org
2025-06-15T23:33:09.307Z
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@icedquinn@blob.cat @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @sun@shitposter.world @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love the most secure computer is an abicus.
(DIR) Post #AvAaw9gnvT6oeuoE9g by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-15T23:33:31.098102Z
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@nemesis @dirb @jeff @mangeurdenuage @mischievoustomato @sun (i shitpost but i have actually had temporary blindness from infections and physical manipulation issues (dyspraxia, RSI) and regularly interact with people with permanent blindness and color perception issues.)
(DIR) Post #AvAaxPkNi2Jgkb5BYm by thendrix@social.hendrixgames.com
2025-06-15T23:33:41.292979Z
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Even people working on wayland finally admitted they never even considered the end user at all until 2024. It's basically worthless and that's the intention. New features are made by third-parties and not even accepted back upstream at the same time. Bottom line a lot of distros just want active development to package for the product the end users want. The other problem is nobody knows how to do anything anymore on top of that. They made sure to push out anyone that could actually mentor someone years ago.
(DIR) Post #AvAbBSepgWPXpcBYKu by AkIN5RMKVSkgqIBLWa.jeff@mk.magicka.org
2025-06-15T23:36:17.794Z
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@icedquinn@blob.cat @hj@shigusegubu.club @dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @sun@shitposter.world i have done raw wayland before
(DIR) Post #AvAbCs1Asgyam6J7js by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-15T23:36:32.308787Z
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@jeff @sun @mangeurdenuage @dirb @mischievoustomato @nemesis i have two of those.they are really bad at access control literally anyone can move the beads.
(DIR) Post #AvAbLzFZMTChoMO67M by newt@stereophonic.space
2025-06-15T23:38:03.401052Z
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@sun @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage wasn't the hole Hyprland drama enough to convince anyone that FD.o people were genuinely mental?
(DIR) Post #AvAbVW4KiANUCefy9g by AkIN5RMKVSkgqIBLWa.jeff@mk.magicka.org
2025-06-15T23:39:55.832Z
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@newt@stereophonic.space @sun@shitposter.world @dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world the FDO people banning hyprland was the canary in the coal mine, most people are retarded and missed it.
(DIR) Post #AvAbbgsBSHEPRswAtM by denza252@shitposter.world
2025-06-15T23:41:01.714802Z
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@dirb >literal nothing proposal by 1 package maintainercall me when something actually hapapens
(DIR) Post #AvAbf638J0MWOwgOki by PalePimp@poa.st
2025-06-15T23:41:37.589157Z
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@thendrix @icedquinn @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage @sun That is sadly 100% correct.I wish Enrico the best, but I don't think he'd be able to do anything truly meaningful with "xlibre" He's not going to be able to change XFREE86 without breaking lots of things all over the place, it is that kind of mess, check what happened when the dpi was innocently changed.https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=271121Believe it or not, Linux's destkop and wayland's only hope is that something like Cosmic desktop destroys Gnome once and for all.Not because I believe System76 is doing things perfectly or their plan being the best... but because for once they are someone doing something mentally SANE, do not miss the detail that they also made a lot of trannies angry but rather than painting a target they are focusing on delivering something rather than making a fuss at every step of the way.
(DIR) Post #AvAcCNP6nqjtmVpZvE by newt@stereophonic.space
2025-06-15T23:47:24.349172Z
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@jeff @sun @mangeurdenuage @dirb most people don't care. Believe it or not, the entire Linux graphics development crowd is just under 100 people. Half of them are too severely autistic.In any case, there just isn't any significant interest in making linux graphics any good. The literally only significant company that cares about Linux desktop is Valve, and even they care more about Wayland because vidya reasons (Xorg really sucks for vidya, Xorg devs being massive retards is among the major reasons for that).
(DIR) Post #AvAcWK64o9WFJhRLUm by PalePimp@poa.st
2025-06-15T23:51:14.786919Z
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@thendrix @icedquinn @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage @sun For those interested to learn what is Gnome: AKA the RHEL desktop:https://medium.com/@fulalas/gnome-linux-a-complete-disaster-feb27b13a5c2https://medium.com/@fulalas/gnome-42-the-nonsense-continues-7d96c3287f7https://medium.com/@fulalas/gnome-mess-is-not-an-accident-4e301032670chttps://medium.com/@fulalas/gnome-the-insanity-never-ends-f84a77ec3e13
(DIR) Post #AvAcvUccoUTnCOfMoK by PalePimp@poa.st
2025-06-15T23:55:47.942045Z
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@thendrix @icedquinn @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage @sun Just a small sample (Gnome is pure cancer, trannysm in software form)
(DIR) Post #AvAdFsPC64makm6UMa by AkIN5RMKVSkgqIBLWa.jeff@mk.magicka.org
2025-06-15T23:59:30.663Z
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@PalePimp@poa.st @thendrix@social.hendrixgames.com @icedquinn@blob.cat @dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @sun@shitposter.world drew devault is a child porn enthuseist but gnome is worse somehow.
(DIR) Post #AvAdKn4rKkk5g1w3Vo by PalePimp@poa.st
2025-06-16T00:00:22.381826Z
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@jeff @sun @mangeurdenuage @icedquinn @thendrix @dirb Question; Is he technically wrong?
(DIR) Post #AvAdO7lWs7HAi1U2ca by AkIN5RMKVSkgqIBLWa.jeff@mk.magicka.org
2025-06-16T00:01:00.090Z
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@PalePimp@poa.st @sun@shitposter.world @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @icedquinn@blob.cat @thendrix@social.hendrixgames.com @dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz no but he's TECHNICALLY a pedo too so...
(DIR) Post #AvAdQP99DkwrC6cOVk by sun@shitposter.world
2025-06-16T00:01:24.418628Z
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@PalePimp @icedquinn @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage @thendrix many very talented people are child porn enthusiasts, look at all the people that show caught, engineers, doctors etc
(DIR) Post #AvAdgj70l0YHkXOygK by AkIN5RMKVSkgqIBLWa.jeff@mk.magicka.org
2025-06-16T00:04:21.966Z
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@sun@shitposter.world @PalePimp@poa.st @icedquinn@blob.cat @dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @thendrix@social.hendrixgames.com this is why i am convinced we live in a prison world, it's full of pedos and political dissidents, where the pedos touture the souls of the condemned for all eternity.
(DIR) Post #AvAdm4oNVSuqUtEmjQ by thendrix@social.hendrixgames.com
2025-06-16T00:05:18.136153Z
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It's behavioral sink, and there is only one known solution to resolve it.
(DIR) Post #AvAdmXX0j7FrZQKpBg by PalePimp@poa.st
2025-06-16T00:05:23.141802Z
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@jeff @sun @mangeurdenuage @icedquinn @thendrix @dirb Of course, silly me Gnome is all forgiven now because somebody on the inter-webs is accusing somebody of something completely unrelated to the discussion.
(DIR) Post #AvAdyBlVTjqlXSfb1M by AkIN5RMKVSkgqIBLWa.jeff@mk.magicka.org
2025-06-16T00:07:29.966Z
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@PalePimp@poa.st @sun@shitposter.world @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @icedquinn@blob.cat @thendrix@social.hendrixgames.com @dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz dude wlroots was called loliwm at first for god's sake. i'm not invalidating his take, i'm saying that gnome is worse than him despite drew getting off to kids.
(DIR) Post #AvAeNCuKMvU0Jxj2bQ by sun@shitposter.world
2025-06-16T00:12:02.035306Z
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@jeff @mangeurdenuage @icedquinn @thendrix @dirb @PalePimp * cartoon kids
(DIR) Post #AvAearbqLqyCJuajsu by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T00:14:29.341898Z
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@sun @jeff @dirb @PalePimp @mangeurdenuage @thendrix reminder that drew's favorite hobby is terrorizing autistic people and weebs for politically incorrect words while he himself 'loves' children
(DIR) Post #AvAel26SBtn3lHl53w by PalePimp@poa.st
2025-06-16T00:16:19.554381Z
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@jeff @sun @mangeurdenuage @icedquinn @thendrix @dirb That doesn't add anything of value to the conversation does it? The same as talking about Enrico's penchant for bringing personal politics into technical discussions, exactly the same, Enrico's policies are but a needless distraction and not the root of/nor the problem.
(DIR) Post #AvAeqibpa82d2X96q8 by PalePimp@poa.st
2025-06-16T00:17:20.899610Z
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@icedquinn @sun @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage @thendrix Dude, go write a biography of that guy, it is clearly your favourite subject and you're obsessed with him.
(DIR) Post #AvAew3sxu7QCTWhy08 by sun@shitposter.world
2025-06-16T00:18:19.963352Z
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@PalePimp @icedquinn @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage @thendrix the reason people do this is because dr*w does this to other people so it's necessart.
(DIR) Post #AvAexK1rMusmphTAh6 by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T00:18:32.428200Z
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@sun @jeff @dirb @PalePimp @mangeurdenuage @thendrix is it confined to cartoonsi recall someone did a dive on this and found out he's a lolicon. amolith was too, until he was caught trying to date them.the irony is hakim bey and stallman were grilled over 'pedo comments,' but if you read what they actually said it mostly amounts to 'some children mature earlier than society dictates' and the totality of the rest of their work is specifically screwing over power structures.for some reason this is only an irredeemable sin if your life's work is freeing everyone. if you work for the slavers you can fuck all the kids you want.:blobcatwaitwhat: this planet, very dumb.
(DIR) Post #AvAfDrrNM07yOISHnU by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-06-16T00:21:33.511550Z
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@sun @PalePimp @dirb @icedquinn @jeff @thendrix I'm not even sure such mental illness can't be helped/solved, even like that.
(DIR) Post #AvAfQIexXTJIz3ZkzA by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T00:23:46.761769Z
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@sun @jeff @dirb @PalePimp @mangeurdenuage @thendrix i have post blocked but i assume they said something retarded
(DIR) Post #AvAfZlSVpj8guRGba4 by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T00:25:29.257575Z
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@mangeurdenuage @jeff @dirb @sun @thendrix i suspect people would be less inclined to care if it wasn't his pastime to attack other people for mostly irrelevant character flaws.
(DIR) Post #AvAfnpFYXEu0iluZRw by sun@shitposter.world
2025-06-16T00:28:02.671323Z
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@icedquinn he made a perfectly reasonable observation that dr*w allegedly being a pedo is irrelevant to gnome/wayland, I just had to remind him that if someone makes it their mission to personally destroy people for false reasons, you're obligated to bring up their problems every time they're mentioned so in retaliation because you they set that rule
(DIR) Post #AvAg635LpmAKqLpNQW by noyoushutthefuckupdad@shitposter.world
2025-06-16T00:31:20.848551Z
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@sun @icedquinn why are you censoring drow? what did dark elves ever do to you?
(DIR) Post #AvAgBDA1nk2rXWTd8y by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T00:32:15.304731Z
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@sun i don't know exactly how much he worked on that. i know he did wlroots and left, and wrote a lot of wayland stuff.the architecture of wayland is mostly fine. my main complaints with it come down to the bureaucracy pushing it actively inhibiting extensions to make it work for more people under various excuses.i think last year i read the wayland book and said if i had to make a similar system it would look close to the same. though it would probably look more like ember+, and would just be a way to negotiate for vulkan surfaces.
(DIR) Post #AvAgD8NGZILHH2aNnc by Alex@boymilk.cafe
2025-06-16T00:32:36.627761Z
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do you have a source for that first claim?
(DIR) Post #AvAgGUiNxkpFQm4Bay by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T00:33:13.010084Z
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@noyoushutthefuckupdad @sun minthara's the funniest person i know
(DIR) Post #AvAgHHWMVFK4nfom9o by thendrix@social.hendrixgames.com
2025-06-16T00:33:19.486707Z
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They killed his parents.
(DIR) Post #AvAgLXNHVAvJ7xbFei by AkIN5RMKVSkgqIBLWa.jeff@mk.magicka.org
2025-06-16T00:34:07.547Z
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@icedquinn@blob.cat @sun@shitposter.world @dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz @PalePimp@poa.st @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @thendrix@social.hendrixgames.com can confirm, it's a poast user so no matter what it's from a retard
(DIR) Post #AvAgNBdnHIjqIi6sYS by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T00:34:25.264469Z
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@Alex @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage @sun i watched it but i don't know where its hosted these days.i went to check youtube and there's apparently 3 active lawsuits about it lmao
(DIR) Post #AvAgTAntIsFzRSggIi by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T00:35:30.695828Z
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@Alex @dirb @jeff @mangeurdenuage @sun the hiring guy outright said theres too many whites and asians and any boss that doesn't bring their department in to the right race quota is losing their bonuses, so they're gonna lose those suits hard probs.
(DIR) Post #AvAgVLMb0tdcltxI00 by AkIN5RMKVSkgqIBLWa.jeff@mk.magicka.org
2025-06-16T00:35:55.351Z
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@sun@shitposter.world @PalePimp@poa.st @icedquinn@blob.cat @dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @thendrix@social.hendrixgames.com people will forever think that wayland is pedo adjacent because of him.
(DIR) Post #AvAga9tX573CeLeni4 by AkIN5RMKVSkgqIBLWa.jeff@mk.magicka.org
2025-06-16T00:36:47.716Z
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@icedquinn@blob.cat @Alex@boymilk.cafe @dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @sun@shitposter.world redhat hires too many retards they should focus on hiring software engineers instead.
(DIR) Post #AvAgfgEcGl7sOm9T3Q by Alex@boymilk.cafe
2025-06-16T00:37:46.623790Z
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Thanks for the info. I can't find that clip, either, but I found some stuff discussing the lawsuits.
(DIR) Post #AvAgjrwWgF8vrxggxE by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T00:38:31.624191Z
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@jeff @sun @mangeurdenuage @Alex @dirb they'd have to make free estrogen an employment benefit to get anyone who still wants to work for that trash fire that is any good at the job
(DIR) Post #AvAgysPlD37LfwWAdc by AkIN5RMKVSkgqIBLWa.jeff@mk.magicka.org
2025-06-16T00:41:15.559Z
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@icedquinn@blob.cat @sun@shitposter.world @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @Alex@boymilk.cafe @dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz offering crack addicts crack also is a bad idea but no one suggests giving people free crack to work on a codebase.
(DIR) Post #AvAh83Hy9FyW0YFTzU by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T00:42:53.387646Z
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@Alex @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage @sun tucker has part of it https://rumble.com/v44bqvl-tucker-reacts-to-leaked-ibm-meeting-revealing-insane-dei-initiatives.html which includes the specific part about losing your bonus if you don't meet quotayoull just have to skip through the parts with carlson's useless blithering
(DIR) Post #AvAhGKhvGoYELbKxAO by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T00:44:23.618010Z
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@Alex @dirb @jeff @mangeurdenuage @sun anyway point remains, when your boss literally push institutional racism you kinda lose benefit of the doubt in social issues imo.
(DIR) Post #AvAhQgMVc6t4P6FuvA by kerosene
2025-06-16T00:46:17.789724Z
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@icedquinn @dirb @hj @jeff @mangeurdenuage @sun Good posts, make more
(DIR) Post #AvAhT6NPrYjxfLplA0 by AkIN5RMKVSkgqIBLWa.jeff@mk.magicka.org
2025-06-16T00:46:43.372Z
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@icedquinn@blob.cat @Alex@boymilk.cafe @dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @sun@shitposter.world but that's the problem, so many companys did just that and now none of the labor force is willing to work at those companys anymore, this wound is going to stay for a good 50 years, and you cab thank the progressives for that.
(DIR) Post #AvAhhc1D13jzr6MjUu by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2025-06-16T00:49:16.693984Z
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I know they bitched about him breaking xrandr, but apparently that's been fixed in his tree. There are other contributors to XLibre. My C/X11 knowledge isn't at the level to evaluate his patches either. I've heard there's an ABI breaking change for nVidia drivers in there too.He's going to need to play comparability nice because nVidia/kernel devs aren't changing shit. I remember the XFree86->xorg fork over a decade ago, but a bunch of developers moved over. None of this lone gunman shit.Wayland is such a disastrous clusterfuck at this point. Hyprland is pretty kino, but too much shit is still horribly broken from the mess of Wayland protocols. Every fucking tool has to be made to work with KDE, Gnome, wlroots, whatever-the-fuck-else. All these xdg-portals and the fact that Gnome won't allow any other screenshot tools.I really hope XLibre succeeded and becomes an option in at lest two or three major distros.
(DIR) Post #AvAhjJDZt31Y7rxar2 by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T00:49:37.915388Z
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@jeff @sun @mangeurdenuage @Alex @dirb > none of the labor forcei don't believe there is an employment crisis. i believe there is a management feels entitled to disposable serfs problem.
(DIR) Post #AvAhjf7IT54W2lBt7Q by kerosene
2025-06-16T00:49:43.600371Z
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@denza252 @dirb Bad choice of words, nothing ever happens.
(DIR) Post #AvAhmxkLevWSgx1xJI by verita84@shit.poster.place
2025-06-16T00:50:18Z
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@djsumdog @icedquinn @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage @sun You are right but do you really expect Redhat and the major distros to revert back?
(DIR) Post #AvAhy87JRV4A2Z64B6 by AkIN5RMKVSkgqIBLWa.jeff@mk.magicka.org
2025-06-16T00:52:19.807Z
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@verita84@shit.poster.place @djsumdog@djsumdog.com @icedquinn@blob.cat @dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @sun@shitposter.world gnome needs to die off before any good changes come to the linux gui world.
(DIR) Post #AvAi0QiRGP8aIpYilE by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T00:52:42.866708Z
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@jeff @Alex @dirb @mangeurdenuage @sun i forget which book, it was NOT a rand book, maybe napoleon hill, which has a passage about how hiring a free man is really an odd thing. because they are free and not slaves they make decisions, and can leave, and you have to really treat them like they are other people. in contrast to slaves and government slaves (soldiers, prisoners) where you can force them to obey or else.it seems people ignored mass firing because it wasn't in their back yards. since covid, the mass firings were in everyone's back yards. now the employees have caught up to 50+ years of employees being considered completely disposable. and they're asking for their price.management is mad that they can't have an infinite supply of top 1% harvard grads for minimum wage and they're hoping they can just wait everyone in to starvation so they're desperate enough to come back.they're going to wait for a long time, seems.
(DIR) Post #AvAi15W7Z6e6qV6xkm by verita84@shit.poster.place
2025-06-16T00:52:51Z
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@jeff @sun @mangeurdenuage @djsumdog @icedquinn @dirb You all would need to destroy Redhat for these changes to happen lol
(DIR) Post #AvAi7ZAkDkPMYcCZFI by AkIN5RMKVSkgqIBLWa.jeff@mk.magicka.org
2025-06-16T00:54:02.002Z
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@verita84@shit.poster.place @sun@shitposter.world @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @djsumdog@djsumdog.com @icedquinn@blob.cat @dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz your terms are acceptable.
(DIR) Post #AvAi8PJ2O9wIFOTvOK by sun@shitposter.world
2025-06-16T00:54:10.356629Z
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@verita84 @djsumdog @icedquinn @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage the best outcome for xlibre is that downstream vendors that rely on X adopt xlibre since it's being maintained. It is cheaper to support xlibre than migrate your piece of shit embedded software to wayland
(DIR) Post #AvAiBFncBuyTdC8pUG by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T00:54:40.218454Z
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@djsumdog @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage @sun it might be more worthwhile to start gutting X if one wants to keep X alive. so much of what X does is not something anyone has cared about in 20 years.oooh you can have it serve GUI over a network? show me any one person who does this, with a realistic workload, outside of doing it for the memes. i actually tried to use that feature and it was dogshit with gtk2/3. everyone just video streams the desktop now. the client/server shit can go to the spiders and probably drop a lot of useless code.
(DIR) Post #AvAiC3EwN6wmy8IqNk by AkIN5RMKVSkgqIBLWa.jeff@mk.magicka.org
2025-06-16T00:54:50.701Z
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@sun@shitposter.world @verita84@shit.poster.place @djsumdog@djsumdog.com @icedquinn@blob.cat @dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world 100% this. this is the end of the wayland fad.
(DIR) Post #AvAiEOwYeKzerOpE00 by AkIN5RMKVSkgqIBLWa.jeff@mk.magicka.org
2025-06-16T00:55:16.310Z
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@icedquinn@blob.cat @djsumdog@djsumdog.com @dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @sun@shitposter.world i do it and it sucks
(DIR) Post #AvAiGjfYYwYBiezC89 by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2025-06-16T00:55:27.387105Z
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Total IBM Death.
(DIR) Post #AvAiHB7qTsDosDQfTM by verita84@shit.poster.place
2025-06-16T00:55:45Z
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@jeff @sun @mangeurdenuage @djsumdog @icedquinn @dirb Most Linux users accept and want Xorg to die. I would love to see Wayland users BTFO'd lol If they can debloat X11, I say let's fucking go
(DIR) Post #AvAiJsweX35jM9U6Lo by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T00:56:13.948951Z
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@djsumdog @dirb @jeff @mangeurdenuage @sun unless the point is just to keep running really old software on it, in which case, rip i guess.
(DIR) Post #AvAiLClqJ3AR8N3csy by AkIN5RMKVSkgqIBLWa.jeff@mk.magicka.org
2025-06-16T00:56:29.935Z
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@verita84@shit.poster.place @sun@shitposter.world @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @djsumdog@djsumdog.com @icedquinn@blob.cat @dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz 15 years wasted and still no use case found.
(DIR) Post #AvAiLWYkjQa2VZ5SG8 by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2025-06-16T00:56:28.538422Z
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It might be possible to add enough protocols and stuff to Wayland where it's finally usable, but I think if/when you ever get to that point, you're going to have something more bloated and archaic than xorg.
(DIR) Post #AvAiNa2al8uTst1Ztw by verita84@shit.poster.place
2025-06-16T00:56:55Z
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@jeff @sun @mangeurdenuage @djsumdog @icedquinn @dirb Use Case: X11 over 30 years old
(DIR) Post #AvAiPWNJMMml5tdorA by sun@shitposter.world
2025-06-16T00:57:16.357125Z
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@jeff @mangeurdenuage @djsumdog @icedquinn @dirb @verita84 you can still buy support for 1990s HP mainframes because people still run them. HP licensed the source code to the third party support company. So when freedesktop dipshits say that Xorg is dead I just laugh. If you install redhat or ubuntu you will get Wayland. But it's entirely possible that within a few years your airplane entertainment video screen built into the seat will be running XLibre.
(DIR) Post #AvAiW4kkSKlrS9jGkq by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2025-06-16T00:58:23.667075Z
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It works alright in my local network. Over the Internet it's pretty laggy.
(DIR) Post #AvAiW91uYSsOiXn23s by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T00:58:25.903974Z
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@djsumdog @jeff @dirb @verita84 @mangeurdenuage @sun wayland the protocol is not irredeemable. its just that wayland the political ecosystem is near impossible to work with.
(DIR) Post #AvAiaKbfSGN5mRVkFk by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T00:59:12.694898Z
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@djsumdog @dirb @jeff @mangeurdenuage @sun @verita84 though wayland does fuck up shit like not handling inputs from what i recall.the BSDs wanted to support it and you basically have to also implement linux's evdev to have mouse and keyboard support. :ablobcateyeroll:
(DIR) Post #AvAibxXECnpgnvD7r6 by AkIN5RMKVSkgqIBLWa.jeff@mk.magicka.org
2025-06-16T00:59:31.697Z
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@sun@shitposter.world @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @djsumdog@djsumdog.com @icedquinn@blob.cat @dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz @verita84@shit.poster.place dude legacy software print fat stacks, it's a gd shame ibm couldn't figure this out with xorg without forcing everyone onto wayland, literally just call it x12 and you would never have had this issue smdh.
(DIR) Post #AvAigmcYDAkcP106AC by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T01:00:22.335129Z
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@dirb @djsumdog @jeff @mangeurdenuage @sun @verita84 the morally correct operating system is Haiku frontend on Plan 9 backend. i cannot be proven wrong. this is objectively correct in both designs. :blobcatlaugh:
(DIR) Post #AvAihQDQzyQZChYbZI by AkIN5RMKVSkgqIBLWa.jeff@mk.magicka.org
2025-06-16T01:00:31.115Z
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@icedquinn@blob.cat @djsumdog@djsumdog.com @dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz @verita84@shit.poster.place @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @sun@shitposter.world wayland is too politically charged to be productive.
(DIR) Post #AvAij6L9rkOu8lyF2u by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2025-06-16T01:00:44.864700Z
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Wayland also cannot display disconnected video outputs (like xrandr does). At least I haven't been a way to list them in any desktop environment. I thought it might have been a wl-root issue, but I still couldn't find a way to do it in Hyprland when they moved entirely off wlroots.
(DIR) Post #AvAinly926IyPNQxRA by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2025-06-16T01:01:34.660560Z
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Or even just X11R8
(DIR) Post #AvAitXhsyM15uca1nU by sun@shitposter.world
2025-06-16T01:02:41.832698Z
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@djsumdog @icedquinn @jeff @dirb @verita84 @mangeurdenuage I wonder if there's even any remaining alternatives to xorg. in 1997 when I was a teenager there were multiple X11 vendors that could do cool shit that xfree couldn't do
(DIR) Post #AvAiwXKwnwBbdLHKro by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T01:03:13.011312Z
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@djsumdog @jeff @dirb @verita84 @mangeurdenuage @sun wayland the protocol doesn't care about where you render things to. it just cares about negotiating a buffer to do that to.(the core spec has some outdated buffer format, too, eglstreams/gbm/whatever the fuck are in extensions afaik.)
(DIR) Post #AvAj0EP78caS4ZzOee by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T01:03:53.693861Z
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@djsumdog @dirb @jeff @mangeurdenuage @sun @verita84 wayland is basically XMPP for rectangles.unfortunately, this includes XMPP's lack of good client software :hehe:
(DIR) Post #AvAj24pHifG2wl6uH2 by verita84@shit.poster.place
2025-06-16T01:04:14Z
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@icedquinn @djsumdog @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage @sun Is Wayland matrix? Garbage?
(DIR) Post #AvAj3eDPd3C2zg92qe by AkIN5RMKVSkgqIBLWa.jeff@mk.magicka.org
2025-06-16T01:04:32.103Z
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@icedquinn@blob.cat @djsumdog@djsumdog.com @dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @sun@shitposter.world @verita84@shit.poster.place so basically wayland is stored in the balls
(DIR) Post #AvAj7KpZdrC023kjz6 by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T01:05:10.070161Z
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@sun @djsumdog @jeff @dirb @verita84 @mangeurdenuage the reason we used xfree is because the other x's were commercial.it is still the case that non-xorg servers are commercial products
(DIR) Post #AvAjB9Aew2Hn1nQucC by sun@shitposter.world
2025-06-16T01:05:52.803187Z
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@icedquinn @djsumdog @jeff @dirb @verita84 @mangeurdenuage right I am saying I thought all the commercial ones died out but I didn't even check
(DIR) Post #AvAjFileWt1yaTux4C by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2025-06-16T01:06:21.172580Z
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Someone did build a network layer for wayland called waypipe.https://github.com/neonkore/waypipeNever tried it and it's not maintained, so who knows if it works :blobcatshrug: .. but someone put in the effort at least.
(DIR) Post #AvAjJ4nz3CU9nwbkZs by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2025-06-16T01:07:05.119131Z
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Does Wayland contact IBM with your e-mail and identity every time you start a session? 🙃
(DIR) Post #AvAjLNCLdYLfQd6DGi by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T01:07:42.398357Z
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@jeff @sun @mangeurdenuage @djsumdog @dirb @verita84 after reading the wayland spec among other things i've read, i would probably redesign it while not trying to do the things it does.i'd design it more like ember+ which is a tree based protocol for controlling audio equipment. it manages a property tree and event propagation and shrugs everything else as implementation defined.like in ember i can ask a port to tell me about its subtree, and keep doing this for the leaves, and i can push changes to those properties or method calls (though method calls were added later so their syntax is very stupid), but otherwise it doesn't care outside of 'heres a tree, heres how to talk to the tree, heres where you make extension requests', cause in the end, wayland is just a framework for managing rectangles :comfywoozy:
(DIR) Post #AvAjYqmiwgaWxFXYOW by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T01:10:08.143736Z
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@jeff @dirb @djsumdog @mangeurdenuage @sun @verita84 in Be/Haiku you can just yeet messages to other processes. there's even a part of the header to mention who you are talking to specifically. so you can pull from the receiver stack to route. meaning i can just send messages to button 3 of some window in this app.i think RH expects you to use dbus for cross application messaging. which is fine and all, i guess, except that's yet a second messenger stack parallel but incompatible to the wayland messenger stack, which makes the desktop significantly more goobered and duct taped, though i guess linux is goober and duct tape, so whatever.
(DIR) Post #AvAjaILtw6bok7gP56 by AkIN5RMKVSkgqIBLWa.jeff@mk.magicka.org
2025-06-16T01:10:26.149Z
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@djsumdog@djsumdog.com dont give them ideas bruh
(DIR) Post #AvAjan61dBKU5rUf8i by sun@shitposter.world
2025-06-16T01:10:30.945136Z
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@djsumdog @icedquinn @jeff @dirb @verita84 @mangeurdenuage it downloads loli porn to your computer
(DIR) Post #AvAjgA2fkJVghtUBe4 by AkIN5RMKVSkgqIBLWa.jeff@mk.magicka.org
2025-06-16T01:11:29.712Z
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@sun@shitposter.world @djsumdog@djsumdog.com @icedquinn@blob.cat @dirb@pleroma.dirb.xyz @verita84@shit.poster.place @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world and nothing, not even the loli on the other screen is sexier than the math in wayland
(DIR) Post #AvAjx7XAKBO5qopsae by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T01:14:31.656990Z
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@dirb @djsumdog @jeff @mangeurdenuage @sun @verita84 there is also an argument to be made that a wire protocol is 100% the wrong solution. i could be made to agree with that.i think i posted once that apps should not even be talking to the compositor. applications should basically be plugins (CLAP style) that the window manager boots and they just talk over some immortal C API (funny, i wrote a book on this https://iceworks.cc/g/immortal-abis/ )i'm stupid though, don't listen to me :neocat_up_paws:
(DIR) Post #AvAlQV4hyjGLDL69s8 by monkyyy@poa.st
2025-06-16T01:31:04.120669Z
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@PalePimp @thendrix @icedquinn @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage @sun > which means that depending on the distro the files may be sorted using case sensitive (e.g. Virtualbox might appear before firefox).
(DIR) Post #AvAmIX8QXGkTEybQlU by feld@friedcheese.us
2025-06-16T01:39:34.995353Z
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@icedquinn @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage @sun > and upstream is too bull headed to listen to those of us who do those things,Majority Linux desktop user base are power users and want these things, that's what's so ridiculous. It's a totally normal computer workflow that Wayland breaks. Might as well just go back to Windows or Mac. Really a shame how their purity driven attitude is actually anathema to growing the desktop userbase
(DIR) Post #AvAmKn0oTXqN3u7KKm by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T01:41:13.541513Z
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@feld @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage @sun > wayland is ready for prime time quinnopen obscan't capture screengooglemany such casesgo back to xorg
(DIR) Post #AvAqBYIMDuYqd1ArLs by feld@friedcheese.us
2025-06-16T01:42:08.515683Z
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@icedquinn @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage @sun > Wayland devs declare the streaming community "obsolete"
(DIR) Post #AvAqdqRuJwOd2Z8Fkm by zaitcev@shitposter.world
2025-06-16T02:29:30.761674Z
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@icedquinn @feld @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage @sun hit "Print Screen"works perfectly
(DIR) Post #AvAqn081hbzNfOCOci by sun@shitposter.world
2025-06-16T02:31:09.402833Z
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@zaitcev @icedquinn @dirb @feld @jeff @mangeurdenuage whats your opinion of the claim that redhat was filled with midwits or worse
(DIR) Post #AvAqqlwmN21yqGjia0 by zaitcev@shitposter.world
2025-06-16T02:31:50.506803Z
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@sun @dirb @feld @icedquinn @jeff @mangeurdenuage HeyI'm not burning any bridges(until I find a job at least)
(DIR) Post #AvAqsTeLN2GefmvUYq by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T02:32:07.975894Z
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@zaitcev @feld @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage @sun OBS capture does work in 2025, yes.
(DIR) Post #AvAr643zIT59N9OrQm by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T02:34:34.853119Z
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@RedTechEngineer @feld @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage @sun kde6 wasn't generally available at the time.
(DIR) Post #AvArDTQBPmZA2uJZFg by thendrix@social.hendrixgames.com
2025-06-16T02:35:55.307577Z
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If you're white you might as give up on that dream.
(DIR) Post #AvAxZAhWISpo579Zaq by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T03:47:03.773484Z
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@scathach @djsumdog @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage @sun i tried it an performance was so bad i just went to vnc over shell or something.nowadays i'm using rustdesk. though that's basically bolting vp8/9/av1 streaming which is argh.
(DIR) Post #AvAxud5xvGeSE4osLY by sun@shitposter.world
2025-06-16T03:50:57.019731Z
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@scathach @icedquinn @djsumdog @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage I tink I looked into this before and the issue was some applicationds basically just have a framebuffer for the entire window so there's nothing for an x proxy to optimize
(DIR) Post #AvAzGipFOjLWK769Am by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T04:06:08.884835Z
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@sun @djsumdog @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage @scathach x networking works by sending messages/buffers back and forth. you were meant to use x widgets where client/server already knew how this worked and could just transmit state changes.GTK etc have to send pixel buffers. but older GUI stuff still operated on the concept of dirty rectangles, so only the areas marked 'damaged' need transmitting.modern apps don't care we don't do rectangle damage anymore because the GPU renders it all anyway.
(DIR) Post #AvAzUnUspGmIrlHi8O by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-06-16T04:08:41.462952Z
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@sun @dirb @djsumdog @jeff @mangeurdenuage @scathach godot for example renders the whole screen always. but in editor/idle mode, it will skip frames that no user input has occurred. that's how the editor avoids baking laptops like unity et all do.its secretly running at 0-1fps until you do something or have an animation running.
(DIR) Post #AvB39rAmMdb80A9RJY by eric@pl.starnix.network
2025-06-16T04:49:44.711555Z
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@dirb there is absolutely NO WAY this will go through
(DIR) Post #AvBtsbNT8Hxjf2kCdE by sendpaws@mitra.pawslut.party
2025-06-16T14:40:27.375262Z
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@jeff @sun @mangeurdenuage @newt @dirb this is what the Wayland people act like btwLiteral contrarians who wished they could be that cool kid with the tapout shirt and deep voice, and the memetic phrase of the dayhttps://blogs.gnome.org/alatiera/2025/06/08/the-x11-session-removal/
(DIR) Post #AvC4ntP9mODxcSUUDI by sun@shitposter.world
2025-06-16T16:42:53.476631Z
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@mischievoustomato @icedquinn @feld @jeff @dirb @mangeurdenuage works fine on my mac too, also no drama about it