Post Av9nn2QgeZfFmZIFiy by castanea_jo@ni.hil.ist
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(DIR) Post #Av9maraF3Jf6iPORcG by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-06-15T14:09:20Z
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I thought "I have friends everywhere" was a reference to the lyrics of "The Partisan" but that one goes "... I have changed my name so oftenI've lost my wife and childrenBut I have many friendsAnd some of them are with me"So no. Apparently it's a reference to the Starwars spinoff Andor (which I'm told is pretty good.)Unless Andor was itself referencing the song?
(DIR) Post #Av9mhrGkcTwjldc0US by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-06-15T14:10:38Z
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... fandoms ... listen it's fine. I just get a bit stunned how much culture comes from the same six franchises all the time.And it's not like it's even low quality stories, it's just always the same stories, you know? I'm being a grump. Fine I'll watch "andor" give me a moment.
(DIR) Post #Av9nJOFSxya6lVuL3Y by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-06-15T14:17:24Z
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@aredridel "Ready Player One"Poisoned me against all nostalgic recycled media for the rest of my life. Everything that book tried to celebrate just made it clear to me how narrow and ... arbitrary "beloved classics" are. So, now it just all makes me deeply sad. Sad to see kids still going for Star Wars which was OLD when *I* was a child.
(DIR) Post #Av9nU747C1dIesiABk by davep@infosec.exchange
2025-06-15T14:19:19Z
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@futurebird I was very pleasantly surprised by Andor, having stopped watching Star Wars after the second installment.
(DIR) Post #Av9nVkkT8aWa1UIujA by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-06-15T14:19:39Z
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@aredridel And from what I hear "Andor" sounds good. But can media only make a splash by being a part of something that already exists? It can feel that way. I'm certain there are artists and writers making it amazing ... but it's also still "Star Wars" ... AGAIN. Yes it's maybe hypocritical that I don't get as agro about Star Trek but that's also part of the problem, that's just nostalgia.OK rant over.
(DIR) Post #Av9nn2QgeZfFmZIFiy by castanea_jo@ni.hil.ist
2025-06-15T14:22:43Z
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@futurebird @aredridel I'm with you on RP1, I was so mad by the end of that book.Some (star trek) nostalgia I enjoyed was Red Shirts the book and Galaxy Quest, which were both somewhat deconstructive, though at this point both are pretty old, too.
(DIR) Post #Av9oAGVmSjMU7MkeaO by cyberlyra@masto.hackers.town
2025-06-15T14:26:55Z
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@futurebirdi am a star wars diehard fan. My family watches the original trilogy only-- and that's becausw it is one of the only ones that is at all meaningful, a pastiche of mythology, fairy tales, and homage to films etc. Almost everything that came after is garbage. That said, Andor is the best Star Wars since Empire Strikes Back. And it is NOT for children.@aredridel
(DIR) Post #Av9oZJeJvvxT5Zgu0W by JessTheUnstill@infosec.exchange
2025-06-15T14:31:21Z
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I conside them kinda the mythology of our day. Lots of cultures over time have made many different legends and stories about the same pantheon of gods or previous rulers or whatever. There's comfort in making your legends all set in the same universe and connected to one another as part of a grander story. I mean, of course it's also a corporate thing where the companies who own the franchises have lower risk in pumping more into existing franchises than gambling on something new, and promote and market their cash cows of merchandise. But still, people like familiar things.@futurebird @aredridel
(DIR) Post #Av9occAdWp1NOsNahU by cyberlyra@masto.hackers.town
2025-06-15T14:32:04Z
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@futurebirdalso tho, the problem here isn't nostalgia per se. It's that when Eisner took over Disney he moved it from being a creative company to a property management company. Fired all the animators and story tellers that made disney great, just put princesses on lunchkits. Profits ensued. During the financial crises of the early 2000s, as film making became ever more obviously investment opportunity in thr face of uncertain markets, it was easier to @aredridel
(DIR) Post #Av9ock8ntWJC7VaExE by cyberlyra@masto.hackers.town
2025-06-15T14:32:04Z
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sell a Sheik on Shrek 6 and Iron Man 5 than it was to bet any farms on new content. Even the streaming wars, the fight over hollywood vs silly valley, only allowed in new voices because it was a lot of throwing spaghetti at the wall, as in the old studio days of the 30s, to get a single hit that would pay for everyone else's lunch.all this is to say, blame the financialization model, not the original art, which may have come from a time where creativity was a value.@aredridel @futurebird
(DIR) Post #Av9oolD9k1SKukLjfc by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-06-15T14:34:17Z
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@JessTheUnstill @aredridel yeahI think it's that corporate bit that takes some of the joy out of it for me... and it's also why things like #backrooms #thebackrooms excite me so much... because they mostly fail to be really owned by any company (even though, lord knows, some are trying to make that happen)So it feels more like real folklore. I didn't invite corporate mascots to the campfire to tell stories. Please go away.
(DIR) Post #Av9otiv3gpzJFoFdDs by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-06-15T14:35:10Z
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@JessTheUnstill @aredridel And I can understand why many people just don't let the corporate bit get them down or even notice. What do I gain from this awareness?I'm just grouchy when everyone else is having fun.
(DIR) Post #Av9pRAlt9ozHBxuasC by noodlemaz@med-mastodon.com
2025-06-15T14:41:09Z
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@futurebird @aredridel Andor is fabulous. If you watch that then Rogue One, it makes it all worth it. Honestly. It's great
(DIR) Post #Av9qj0zANaoO0aC5nk by sbourne@mastodon.social
2025-06-15T14:55:37Z
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@futurebird I'm a little weary of the space franchises, too, but Andor was different. First, it was made with great care, building it's own world with is set designs, costuming, etc., and not just relying on "known" tropes. The characters felt very real, many of them ordinary people trying to live their lives, and even the rich ones became humans, but all pushed and pulled to be braver than they thought they could. You might like this one.
(DIR) Post #Av9t7m7Yyyfp3S3WrY by tinydoctor@mstdn.social
2025-06-15T15:22:30Z
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I’m old enough that I watched the original Star Trek on network tv which I loved because I was 8yo. I saw the first Star Wars movie first run at age 19. I thought it was dumb, a mishmash of tired sf and war movie tropes. I’ve only seen subsequent Star Wars “episodes” that friends dragged me to. It has become a mythology. People live inside it. For some there is no outside. To borrow from Lord Dunsany, mythology, like whisky, loses it beneficial effect effect when taken in large quantities.
(DIR) Post #Av9tILGPB5w4wYEL56 by bwebster@dice.camp
2025-06-15T15:24:24Z
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@futurebird @aredridel Andor, particularly the first season, is barely Star Wars. It’s a story about how to start a revolution, with a sci fi backdrop. It’s also in my opinion the best thing out there with the Star Wars label, and puts every other Star Wars movie or show to shame. I don’t disagree with your overall point at all, but I really don’t think it applies to Andor in this case
(DIR) Post #Av9vUVQDR3s7pdkNPs by paulc@mstdn.social
2025-06-15T15:48:59Z
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@futurebird You can enjoy Andor without any knowledge of Star Wars or even disliking Star Wars. It’s great that the Star Wars universe allows for so many types of stories. Warning, after watching both seasons of Andor you should watch the movie Rogue One which then leads you into Star Wars episode 4. In other words, it’s a trap
(DIR) Post #Av9vb1KViPMGWwBWc4 by paulc@mstdn.social
2025-06-15T15:50:12Z
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@futurebird @aredridel Now you make me feel old.
(DIR) Post #AvAKDGvCajPon87TpA by tipjip@bonn.social
2025-06-15T20:25:59Z
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@futurebird@aredridel Now I feel really old. I was too young to see Star Wars in the cinema. Most of my original memories are from the Panini book (where you buy stickers to put in the book).
(DIR) Post #AvDtaKpuHb9hSkFtb6 by andrewf@glasgow.social
2025-06-17T13:46:21Z
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@futurebird @aredridel I… quite enjoyed… the book of “Ready Player One”, though it is very specifically one man’s nostalgia.But the film to me just felt a bit shabby and insular, and *corporate*, possibly for similar reasons you felt about the book!