Post AupVCm1D70IUIv0pI8 by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
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(DIR) Post #AupQUAEjp5SWZFoSdU by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
2025-06-05T18:27:28.181535Z
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I don't think I've ever heard anybody advocate Unix philosophy for hardware. With enough drivers and services installed on one device, you can effectively cripple any operating system.
(DIR) Post #AupQbhHjLgKt5lnwdU by wertimer@clubcyberia.co
2025-06-05T18:28:49.202637Z
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@RustyCrab what a devilish idea
(DIR) Post #AupQhXec4LjYxZIKYq by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
2025-06-05T18:29:53.209750Z
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@wertimer in this simplest case, this would be having a tiny laptop or IOT device that you use only for interfacing with a printer because nothing fucks up your computer quite as bad as printer drivers
(DIR) Post #AupQkKOznP2EjEJnjk by Inginsub@clubcyberia.co
2025-06-05T18:30:24.081744Z
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@RustyCrab we should have a separate cpu for every instruction
(DIR) Post #AupQpXWyPYKytVXEW0 by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
2025-06-05T18:31:20.156230Z
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@Inginsub has anybody come up with a way to containerize drivers
(DIR) Post #AupR2nSSVP903XkEbI by wertimer@clubcyberia.co
2025-06-05T18:33:43.227977Z
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@RustyCrab @Inginsub is that beyond what guix or nix can do?
(DIR) Post #AupR8Js9PuuE2GOa80 by Inginsub@clubcyberia.co
2025-06-05T18:34:43.828005Z
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@RustyCrab i don’t know
(DIR) Post #AupROMk4W0efZLGgAy by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
2025-06-05T18:37:37.470838Z
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@wertimer @Inginsub honestly not sure but I'd be surprised if it could. Pretty sure drivers are heavily integrated into the kernel. You can switch them on or off but I don't know how easily or safely that can be done at runtime. I also doubt you can mitigate the damage that a bad driver can do.
(DIR) Post #AupRQOceUlaRyolX6W by Inginsub@clubcyberia.co
2025-06-05T18:37:58.713858Z
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@RustyCrab @wertimer most printer drivers are literal spyware
(DIR) Post #AupRcFdniKEJbDxKRE by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
2025-06-05T18:40:07.717438Z
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@Inginsub @wertimer indeed. They also fuck up everything in ways that are hard to diagnose. I have a shitty laptop that I will probably install windows on and just transfer files to that
(DIR) Post #AupRd89Z2RiufNESRc by Inginsub@clubcyberia.co
2025-06-05T18:40:17.741196Z
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@RustyCrab @wertimer *windows drivers, on linux you only need a ppd file for most models to work
(DIR) Post #AupRj5yM3kbXdkpjLE by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
2025-06-05T18:41:22.392069Z
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@Inginsub @wertimer I should probably research if mine can work with linux. It's not supposed to be able to, going so far as to say that you can brick your printer if you try to use it with an unsupported operating system but that might just be a CYA scare tactic.
(DIR) Post #AupRkhoCs1uBHEr2PI by mint@ryona.agency
2025-06-05T18:41:38.596577Z
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@Inginsub @RustyCrab @wertimer Don't forget to thank Tim Apple for making IPP.
(DIR) Post #AupSHj0NRYvqXlIA4W by mint@ryona.agency
2025-06-05T18:47:36.714964Z
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@RustyCrab @wertimer https://printserver.ink/
(DIR) Post #AupT3K51Px518jA2Vs by deprecated_ii@poa.st
2025-06-05T18:56:15.144577Z
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@RustyCrab I don't connect it with the "unix philosophy" but I do in fact think programs should run on their own dedicated hardware and only share peripherals, as a rulehowever this is such a radical position that I rarely talk about ithttps://poa.st/@deprecated_ii/posts/AWfKOZE237vUlvAovAhttps://poa.st/@deprecated_ii/posts/AYu4LS7nO69mBbnJBYhttps://poa.st/@deprecated_ii/posts/AYu2zW65pyfYBKyT2G
(DIR) Post #AupTEbgQJFKav92HM8 by deprecated_ii@poa.st
2025-06-05T18:58:17.749241Z
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@RustyCrab @Inginsub @wertimer my HP all in one color laser just works with CUPSwhich is to say I can print things. but it ignores settings like grayscale; it always prints full color
(DIR) Post #AupTR3dyBA4r75pDiC by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
2025-06-05T19:00:30.885034Z
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@deprecated_ii I agree to some extent. A lot of responsiveness problems on windows are caused by the 400 fucking processes running in the background all periodically checking if they need to be dealt with. If we just had a few background cores set aside dedicated to them we could effectively have real-time scheduling that wasn't at the mercy of random preemption.
(DIR) Post #AupTVUu6lfO2omUUXw by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
2025-06-05T19:01:19.419482Z
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@deprecated_ii @Inginsub @wertimer Mine is a scanner/printer combo so I'm a bit more worried about complexity. The driver is fucking enormous as well so it's hard to say what all it's doing.
(DIR) Post #AupTtBArm33GZrcbTc by sendpaws@mitra.pawslut.party
2025-06-05T19:05:35.398501Z
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@mint @Inginsub @RustyCrab @wertimer nobody wanted to adopt pcl...
(DIR) Post #AupTtsQcxKD0jCKIVs by sam@froth.zone
2025-06-05T19:05:38.311272Z
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@RustyCrab The obvious devil's advocate is that hardware has a monetary cost that software does not and our current economic system is based on making the cost of production as low as humanly possible (or lower) that the increased cost and complexity of having everything apart isn't worth it.Plus if I remember my computing history a lot of things that used to exist on the motherboard (the old "north bridge", memory on newer ARM MacBooks) got moved to the CPU package because the speeds required were so high it that separating it wasn't just a cost problem but also a latency problem because electrons can only go so fast. The tolerances for the most recent PCI-E generations is extremely close to being 0 because if one of the circuit leads is a micron too long the timings will failt. Studied this kind of engineering in university [which means nothing]
(DIR) Post #AupU1ADTDgFrvHeAl6 by despair@gearlandia.haus
2025-06-05T19:06:16.886616Z
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@Inginsub @RustyCrab @wertimer if your printer speaks something other than GDI/GDI+, it should work with linuxrule of thumb is having macintosh support - CUPS is the idevice printing backend
(DIR) Post #AupUIY5xgwmGuAQOie by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
2025-06-05T19:10:11.131712Z
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@sam the kind of thing I'm advocating for is having Raspberry Pi tier computers dedicated for things that can be particularly disruptive to your system and don't need horrific amounts of power. This is definitely possible now but it's just not a mainline way of thinking, nor an expected way to work for most people. Having some kind of peripherals for standard computers to serve these purposes would make a lot of sense to me.Of course the real solution is to just write software that doesn't behave like malware but that's not going to happen.
(DIR) Post #AupUNcc4K128MfrTMG by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
2025-06-05T19:11:06.353087Z
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@despair @Inginsub @wertimer @deprecated_ii it does have mac support so I should check that out. Worst case I'm going to ruin something that I barely use anyway.
(DIR) Post #AupUptolwpnTpiHs2K by sam@froth.zone
2025-06-05T19:16:12.745076Z
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@RustyCrab oh that makes sense and has existed in spaces like manufacturing since the 80s. They still manufacture 486 class CPUs for old manufacturing systems that have existed forever.The job I interviewed for today (a somewhat prominent mnufacturer of windows for new houses) has a bunch of those. Expanding them outside of that space would be an interesting idea. I remember the POS systems at my retail job just being those little Intel NUCs they used to make.On that last point yeah that'll be impossible to make writing malware truly impractical it'd be like making a car that couldn't kill its occupants or pedestrians, a functional product but nothing like it originally was intended to be
(DIR) Post #AupUrke71IbJxxBTt2 by sendpaws@mitra.pawslut.party
2025-06-05T19:16:32.668435Z
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@RustyCrab @deprecated_ii windows bloat is because anti malware service executable and Windows update are tag teaming to rape your CPU like it's wwe
(DIR) Post #AupVCm1D70IUIv0pI8 by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
2025-06-05T19:20:20.973291Z
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@sendpaws @deprecated_ii even if you turn those off it's still pretty bad. I've run "air gapped" windows copies that never went through the activation process and it's so much more responsive it's actually insane. Had about 90 background processes compared to the standard 250. Feels like running linux.
(DIR) Post #AupVWw3vTlCJFJte4G by sendpaws@mitra.pawslut.party
2025-06-05T19:23:58.282346Z
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@RustyCrab @deprecated_ii imagine windows without Microsoft vibe coding crap like that
(DIR) Post #AupVhw3TqW4cPQvv3g by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
2025-06-05T19:25:58.746613Z
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@sendpaws @deprecated_ii IT EXISTS. At least on windows 10 it did. Those background processes apparently spring up the first time it's connected to the internet.I'm sure there's debloaters that can take them away, but as a developer I'm dependent on a lot of mysterious system components that I really shouldn't be. But yeah try booting a copy of windows 10 and never putting it online. Turn off defender/updates and see what happens. Game framerates can also increase pretty significantly.
(DIR) Post #AupVk7JQxk37u0R4AS by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-06-05T19:26:22.291538Z
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@RustyCrab my laptop sometimes crashes when gaming, i use linux. It's not like windows where the driver can just restart and you just get the screen shutting off and powering up nearly immediately
(DIR) Post #AupVqbmkZuMS9LF9fs by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-06-05T19:27:32.653081Z
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@wertimer @Inginsub @RustyCrab beyond I'd say. You can install drivers but they're more or less made to wotk like regular linux. Mesa drivers and extras for example are symlinked as configured to /run/opengl-driver
(DIR) Post #AupWNeydjSLrbZZ5BA by pernia@cum.salon
2025-06-05T19:33:28.714309Z
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@mint @RustyCrab @wertimer do you have to buy this to recieve instructions or can you build it on your own?
(DIR) Post #AupbJALaAg79DiyM6q by Coyote@social.singing.dog
2025-06-05T20:28:40.768933Z
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@RustyCrab @Inginsub A bare metal hypervisor containerizes OSes in a way. Would Qubes OS fit the bill?
(DIR) Post #AupcLj2WFwNVLnq9eS by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
2025-06-05T20:40:24.303067Z
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@Coyote @Inginsub maybe but that sounds like a massive amount of security overhead that I wouldn't need
(DIR) Post #AupcaNrdGimW1GjnNo by xaetacore@neondystopia.world
2025-06-05T20:42:13.252Z
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@Coyote@social.singing.dog @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @Inginsub@clubcyberia.co Proxmox or Djentew :gentoo:
(DIR) Post #AuqIUL1r5oiVZ1JqM4 by mint@ryona.agency
2025-06-06T04:32:31.082532Z
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@pernia @RustyCrab @wertimer It's open source but officially the sources are provided only to paid customers unless someone leaked them already.
(DIR) Post #Aur9uPCdUZWpbng0bg by i@declin.eu
2025-06-06T14:31:07.448948Z
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@RustyCrab day of the hurd micro kernel, surely hardware vendors will let people interact with the stuff in userspace any day now
(DIR) Post #AusCupizNXIQswfHuK by tyler@nicecrew.digital
2025-06-07T02:39:34.554679Z
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I don't think it's possible without hardware support since they need to talk directly to hardware to do their jobs
(DIR) Post #AusDj3LF1caJb3VIDw by lks@poa.st
2025-06-07T02:48:36.211222Z
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@RustyCrab @Inginsub "Containerize drivers"Is that some sort of gen z slang for a car?No cap fr fr. Damn kidslol