Post AumPhjN1pDmNrwiSTg by JonasJRichter@mastodon.pnpde.social
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(DIR) Post #Aul0ND8zEzTw7IJ5kW by elilla@transmom.love
2025-06-03T14:05:37Z
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> Für den Gewöhnlichen Natternkopf [Echium vulgare] bestehen bzw. bestanden auch die weiteren deutschsprachigen Trivialnamen: Eisenhart (Eifel bei Altenahr), Frauenkrieg (Schlesien), stolzer Heinrich (Obersachsen), Knohf (Eifel bei Dreis), Natterkopf, Natterkraut, wild Ochsenzung, Otterkopf, Quäkerkutt, Saurüssel (Österreich), Schlangenhaupt, Steinzungenwurz, falscher Wayd, Weiberkrieg und Zwongkrokt (Siebenbürgen).[23] Im Volksmund wird er „Blauer Heinrich“,[24] in Österreich auch „Himmelbrand“, „Starrer Hansl“ oder „Stolzer Heinrich“ genannt. Silesianos better explain that name I gotta know what's the story behind that
(DIR) Post #Aul0NEafrXDubSGiXo by elilla@transmom.love
2025-06-03T14:21:52Z
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looks like a fun book, though, «Geschichte und Volkskunde der deutschen Heilpflanzen» by Heinrich Marzell, I love this type of more discursive voice with trivia and folklore and whatnot. And what's this :ablobowo: he has an entire multi-volume dictionary too, and other pretty interesting stuff—> Heinrich Marzell (* 23. Januar 1885 in München; † 20. November 1970 in Erlangen) war ein deutscher Botaniker, der sich besonders mit den volkstümlichen Namen der Pflanzen und mit den Pflanzen im Brauchtum beschäftigte. ah, truly relevant to my interests. and with that year of birth his early stuff will still be in Fraktur :blobcatsurprised:
(DIR) Post #Aul0NFcq0yY3oSHxYW by elilla@transmom.love
2025-06-03T14:24:47Z
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*dreading to look what was he up to from 1933 to 1945*
(DIR) Post #Aul0NGgQ590X5qyKmG by elilla@transmom.love
2025-06-03T14:30:40Z
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> Zur Geschichte der Mariendistel (Silybum Marianum Gärtn.) als Heilmittel. 1939dang he wrote an entire book about the milk thistle?? that's the one that does strange things to androgen receptions, the one where I got the weird story about breast growth in a reddit DM. I gotta find this book in particular
(DIR) Post #Aul0NHiwDGcGJx9rLE by elilla@transmom.love
2025-06-03T14:33:32Z
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aah not a book, just an article https://www.jstor.org/stable/20773926"log in through your library", let's go... s-c-i---h-u-b-dot…
(DIR) Post #Aul0NInwCAD3fkVMm0 by elilla@transmom.love
2025-06-03T14:36:39Z
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> Nach einer Legende, die abermehr in England als in Deutschland verbreitet zu sein scheint, rühren diese weißen Streifen von der Milch der Muttergottes her, die auf die Blatter der Pflanze träufelte, als sie ihr göttliches Kind nährte, daher auch die englische Bezeichnung milk-thistle, Lady's milk ("Liebfrauenmilch").it has been0days since lastreference to the Virgin turns out to be the very fertile ancient Mother-Godess
(DIR) Post #Aul0NJSLluXHh5PdlQ by elilla@transmom.love
2025-06-03T14:51:57Z
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today Mariendistel is most often used for the liver but in Hildegard and earlier it was indicated for various types of rashes, which to me matches with the hormone thing.*if you're curious about that avoid the "silymarin" compound used as liver medicine, because that's purified silybin A and B, and the one that's under study for anti-androgenic properties is isosilybin B
(DIR) Post #Aul0NKEurLNs7i8QSm by elilla@transmom.love
2025-06-03T14:57:06Z
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(but the estrogenic activity is from sylibin B, cf. https://doi.org/10.3390/ijms22157885 , so girls will be interested in going full spectrum)
(DIR) Post #Aul0NKWdnRYv0gQa5g by elilla@transmom.love
2025-06-03T14:16:40Z
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> Recht streitbar klingen Namen wie "Weiberkrieg", "Frauenkrieg", "Mägdekrieg" für den Hauhechel [Ononis spinosa]. Ob sie etwa daher rühren, daß sich die dornigen Äste der Pflanze recht in die Röcke der auf dem Felde arbeitenden Frauen einhängen, so daß diese mit der Pflanze auf Kriegsfuß stehen? Dazu würde stimmen, daß eine andere stachlige Pflanze, die nicht angenehm anzugreifen ist, nämlich der Natternkopf (Echium vulgare) im Riesengebirge auch „Frauenkrieg“ heißt.aw that's a bit silly, I mean why are you working on the fields with skirts anyway, farmers wear trousers
(DIR) Post #Aul0NKtKR5i6932hSC by elilla@transmom.love
2025-06-03T14:59:46Z
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ofc there's also historical record of it being used to bring milk to the women, but there's no telling whether this was for its hormonal properties, or folk logic because the plant itself is milky
(DIR) Post #Aul0NLbHnes8LNbnyC by elilla@transmom.love
2025-06-03T15:05:29Z
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particularly common are reports of women using the seeds to treat Seitenstechen which, in historical context, I think it's a type of cramps? ("…daß eine Frau durch dieses veraltete Mittel [Semen Cardui Mariæ] vom chronischen Seitenstechen befreit wurde. Ein schlichter Landmann hatte es ihr geraten. Da ich nun früher meine schulrechten Künste vergebens bei ihr angewendet, so machte mich, der ich damals schon stark an der Unfehlbarkeit der Schullehre zweifelte, diese Heilung stutzig. Das vermeintlich unwirksame schien mir der Beachtung wert, ich wendete es in einigen Fällen schmerzhafter Brustaffektion an; da es sich aber als unwirksam auswies, kam es bei mir in Vergessenheit…")
(DIR) Post #Aul0NMPcmV8crVA0Qq by elilla@transmom.love
2025-06-03T15:08:03Z
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that was it. I feel like I'm becoming one of the foremost specialists in mariendistel in particular lol should grow a crop pot or something
(DIR) Post #Aul0NN1CWnCCk2k10C by elilla@transmom.love
2025-06-03T15:08:51Z
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let's see what else he got…> Zauberpflanzen, Hexentränke. Stuttgart 1963.aaw come ooon couldn't you write this one before 1941 so we would have it with a pretty script
(DIR) Post #Aul0NNIZUD5fburt4q by elilla@transmom.love
2025-06-03T15:13:52Z
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it will never cease to amuse me that modern nazis associate Fraktur with their Germanitas while back here in the real world the reason we don't have Fraktur anymore is that the NSDAP hated the «Schwabacher Judenlettern», made it illegal, and refused the association with the German tradition with conspiratorial alt-historyhttps://www.uni-heidelberg.de/md/unimut/fittosize_460_0_1c7c72e9217351556d3ae50ba53f571c_bormann_schreiben1941.jpg
(DIR) Post #AumPhjN1pDmNrwiSTg by JonasJRichter@mastodon.pnpde.social
2025-06-03T15:12:09Z
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@elilla We're using the 5 vol. dictionary occasionally as reference in our own MHG dictionary. Plant names in medieval sources are difficult to identify, often it's safest to go for a vague sense along the lines of "a plant name, could be X or Y"... 😬
(DIR) Post #AumPhkAeqhTiLrw5po by elilla@transmom.love
2025-06-03T15:16:31Z
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@JonasJRichter yeah I just read his later article on old sources commenting on the Mariendistel—a lot of it is more recent than that but even then, one thing that quickly becomes clear is that just because one source talks about Mariendistel or Frawendistel or this-and-that-distel, it doesn't mean that it is what is *now* generally called a Mariendistel... if you're lucky it's some type of thistle and that's the safest to assume until further evidence…
(DIR) Post #AumPhkigoAhU3PrGsa by JonasJRichter@mastodon.pnpde.social
2025-06-04T07:04:20Z
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@elilla Yes. It's similar with words for animals, too. The MHG word for snake (slange => Schlange) can also be used for a centipede, a tortoise (or turtle?), a scorpion, and (obviously) a dragon. 🙈 Apart from the dragon, those are probably not common uses of the word, but it's still wild, looking at it with modern conceptions of "snake".