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(DIR) Post #AtyzpaC96KzxRL1fTk by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-05-11T11:23:46Z
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First ya'll tell me to teach the fifth graders Dvorak... then to teach the math faculty Haskell... What would a fedi- designed full school curriculum look like? I'm horrified but also fascinated to know.Every child will build their own calculator and eventually computer from transistors. Soldering your keyboard would happen in 4th grade. The local intra-net would be student designed and run with custom protocols. A wonderful horrible place!
(DIR) Post #AtyzynNvQkhOxDvdc8 by Alon@mastodon.social
2025-05-11T11:25:24Z
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@futurebird For what grade? I want to say that I have Opinions about high school math curricula from the perspective of having taught first-year college students and wanting them to have known certain things, but you've taught first-year college students too, probably more than I have.
(DIR) Post #AtyzzmehczMeyvFOjY by i_give_u_worms@mastodon.cloud
2025-05-11T11:25:28Z
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@futurebird the Foss gulag
(DIR) Post #Atz05Sc33kOSYciFSy by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-05-11T11:26:39Z
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I realize that "teach the fifth graders Dvorak... then to teach the math faculty Haskell" is probably how *I* sound to my colleges most of the time. That is sobering and helpful to keep in mind as I try to elevate the expectations for understand computer science a little... a task that must be done if our students will be masters of the machines rather than the other way around.
(DIR) Post #Atz0KAY0VX3UsBptmi by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-05-11T11:29:17Z
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@Alon I mostly work with 5-12 at present. Our students have a very advanced liberal arts curriculum and some of them even study Linear Algebra in math before they graduate. I don't think our CS curriculum is at the same level as the rest of the subject.
(DIR) Post #Atz0VWShN3761albFY by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-05-11T11:31:15Z
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@wakame "... leads is naturally to lisp"what a peculiar combination of words
(DIR) Post #Atz1WEvAAm41rlzEPI by Alon@mastodon.social
2025-05-11T11:42:39Z
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@futurebird How is linear algebra taught? I learned it as part of the GSCE/A-Level curriculum and it was not taught well - it was taught purely as matrix manipulations and would not be taught as anything else until my *second* college linear algebra course.
(DIR) Post #Atz1qDDOE2F2Mo2Gh6 by KatS@chaosfem.tw
2025-05-11T11:42:11Z
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@futurebirdOne of the little demons will independently reinvent IPX/SPX, and another will figure out how to tunnel Appletalk over it.
(DIR) Post #Atz2EjSVzjUvJsnoIa by slotos@toot.community
2025-05-11T11:50:40Z
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@futurebird @Alon Teach fifth graders algorithms in that „does exactly what’s instructed, not what’s implied” manner. Use their frustration as an intro into relevant linguistics - role of cultural context, cooperative principle, etc.There’s a good chance a neurodivergent kid will scream „I told you!” at someone though.
(DIR) Post #Atz2Zf5LS2DFptwdOK by wmd@chaos.social
2025-05-11T11:54:26Z
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@futurebird boarding school on a train, teaching history, geography, politics, culture, biology as we go from station to station... Moving onto a tallship to learn about the americas, learning navigation, knots and knot theory, marine biology under way?
(DIR) Post #Atz2oHSNaEy2thgp4y by musevg@hostux.social
2025-05-11T11:57:05Z
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@futurebird @hllizi Don't forget the dark side of the Mast: We'd have highly cultivated self-sustaining hydroponics eben in dark basements to produce all kinds of veggies, fungi, spices & medical herbs.
(DIR) Post #Atz34sUldvI8P5ilA8 by david_chisnall@infosec.exchange
2025-05-11T12:00:06Z
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@futurebird I found that a lot of things in school, especially in maths, were far too oriented towards specific goals, which become obsolete long before the curriculum is changed. In the UK and USA, a lot of the mathematics curriculum was a reaction to Sputnik: we needed people who could do calculus to build rockets. Now, if you’re building a rocket, you’ll formulate the differential equations but on one will ever solve them by hand. And, in the rush to get people to practice applying some mechanical rules, you don’t teach them the underlying theory that lets them understand why any of it works. So the big thing I’d want from any curriculum is for the learning outcomes to be clearly articulated and motivated. You need to know this to understand taxation, you need to know this to understand the judicial system, and you need to know this because it’s a huge area of knowledge and you might later want to explore some of it are all valid reasons (and not an exhaustive list). But ‘before mechanical calculators were a thing, it was vitally important to national security that we had a few thousand people who were really good at this’ is not.I’d want to focus a lot more on foundations and teaching people to learn. We live in the Information age. It’s really easy to find out information about any subject. The key things I want people leaving school with are the ability to think critically, to evaluate sources, and to place new knowledge somewhere in their own taxonomy. And a solid grounding in Haskell, of course.
(DIR) Post #Atz3WtHMK3f2wVo4v2 by tshirtman@mas.to
2025-05-11T12:05:09Z
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@futurebird i think it would look like https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8dPuuaLjXtNlUrzyH5r6jN9ulIgZBpdo 😅
(DIR) Post #Atz4bQUQt47b3aeGUS by dabeaz@mastodon.social
2025-05-11T12:17:09Z
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@futurebird I did a project with the 8th grader that started with transistors and evolved up into something involving nand chips, breadboards, and algebra. It was fun.
(DIR) Post #Atz4h9SF8YIxxbM1rc by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-05-11T12:18:15Z
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@Alon It's the same Linear Algebra course undergrad math majors would take motivated mostly by solving systems of linear equations, but with a good bit of theory too.
(DIR) Post #Atz4o1ZkpRR1YG92iO by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-05-11T12:19:26Z
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@SistaWendy I aim to be "language agnostic" in my teaching goals. So now and then I'll introduce a short program in Java or C or even BASIC and show how it corresponds to python which we use most often.
(DIR) Post #Atz4w3CEgeWctWyICG by bryanredeagle@beige.party
2025-05-11T12:20:54Z
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@futurebird If you do not learn to master your machine, then your machine will become your master.
(DIR) Post #Atz6sfaEDt0uhRi2ng by aesthr@wandering.shop
2025-05-11T12:42:16Z
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@futurebird it's Lord of the Files in there
(DIR) Post #Atz74yMSEWMCPg8JlI by dvandal@infosec.exchange
2025-05-11T12:44:57Z
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@futurebird 9:00am - Math taught like they did in the USSR10:00am - Fortran/Haskell/x86 assembly10:45am - Snack :3🍪c11:00am - Retro Computing History12:00pm - Lunch :) 🥪 c12:30pm - Nature walks (graded on cool rocks you find)1:00pm - Reading (Fedi has a broad literature base, idk what they’d be reading about)2:00pm - Costume and fursuit design classesHow’d I do
(DIR) Post #Atz91cc0q5Hs00wMUq by BernieDoesIt@mstdn.social
2025-05-11T13:06:44Z
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@futurebird I love this. I love this so much.
(DIR) Post #AtzATyLjiGsVTmPSsa by shiawase@mastodon.social
2025-05-11T13:23:04Z
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@futurebird portable skills and principles. how to think (creatively, critically, methodically) how to learnhow to problem solve (troubleshoot, debug) how to communicate So much of my education was about exams and grades that sucked the joy out of everything. Many systems I learned became obsolete but the underlying principles I could apply elsewhere. For tech I really like NHKs kids programshttps://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/shows/texico/https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/shows/mitateru/https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/shows/ah-neo/
(DIR) Post #AtzB1jvDrRt6Zw6rGy by Alon@mastodon.social
2025-05-11T13:29:13Z
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@futurebird With things like Cramer's rule systematizing linear equations, motivation for why we gaf about determinants, why matriz multiplication works the way it does, etc.?(As a TA, I loved using crypto-category theory to explain linear algebra to second-years, drawing an analogy between studying the real numbers and their metric properties through studying differentiable functions and studying vector spaces through studying linear transformations.)
(DIR) Post #AtzBHVsBrWZZdkDFKK by indieterminacy@social.coop
2025-05-11T13:32:00Z
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@futurebird Point out to them how arbitrary language is.Show them that there is a world beyond the Latin Alphabet.Point out that some articulate symbol needed to be created beyond what was previously known - if not how and why such developments were borrowed (this is particularly so concerning numbers).If you read the prelude to The Miraculous Birth of Language, GB Shaws ranty takedown of the Latin Alphabet and articularion of Shavian alphabet is a curio (though Quickscript more universal)
(DIR) Post #AtzBOdb7XZXzcncr5M by bouriquet@mastodon.social
2025-05-11T13:33:17Z
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@futurebird Who says there needs to be a structural curriculum?Explore what you desire. You will gain skills in various ways by doing that. This school is there to facilitate and open doors.
(DIR) Post #AtzBT8SwiPmkWEwlZw by bruce@darkmoon.social
2025-05-11T13:34:07Z
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@futurebird You'll need a photography class that focuses on flowers, dogs, and cats. So many cats...
(DIR) Post #AtzDY4E86RpQjDUoKW by peterdrake@mstdn.social
2025-05-11T13:57:25Z
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@futurebird The entire K-12 curriculum is a directed social good project to make Linux accessible ... and run on a Casio watch.The elementary school mascot is the Little-Endians. The kids bike to school on roads they personally lobbied the city council to build.
(DIR) Post #AtzKsJIqSYYuxNIkBU by barrygoldman1@sauropods.win
2025-05-11T15:19:33Z
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@futurebird well... maybe one day i'll get this dream up and runninghttp://blackskimmer.blogspot.com/2007/07/before-decending-into-question-of-wher.htmlhttps://blackskimmer.blogspot.com/2020/05/shorter-intro-to-my-complexity-lab.html
(DIR) Post #AtzLAhKhr5Q2hGwKMC by barrygoldman1@sauropods.win
2025-05-11T15:22:52Z
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@futurebird one thing that horrified me going back to working in the schools was that there was absolutely NO training in natural history.granted i didnt learn that in school (70s) either (ok in 5th grade we DID have to do an insect collection (i suppose i went a little overboard learning how to count tarsal segments of beetles etc..) but after a life of natural history, i found it shocking. luckily my dad got me started on that (and the AMNH)
(DIR) Post #AtzLYeymG2piLa6nU8 by drj@typo.social
2025-05-11T15:27:01Z
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@futurebird in the Arts we would get preschoolers to make paints (umbre, ochre, and other shades of brown) from mud. The older kids would use ants to sort the soils into fineness.
(DIR) Post #AtzLdYLyJuQLFGI6Cm by DamonWakes@mastodon.sdf.org
2025-05-11T15:28:03Z
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@futurebird Did anyone actually tell you to teach the kids Dvorak? I only saw a suggestion to show them how to switch keyboard layouts (which, admittedly, I'm not sure is a good idea) from someone who preferred Dvorak themselves.Personally, I think the most pressing thing would be to cover really basic computer literacy: how files are actually organised, the fact that C:\MyName\Documents\file.docx isn't a web address, that sort of thing. Maybe also the difference between WiFi and HDMI.
(DIR) Post #AtzLeUdhc94M1324tU by JessTheUnstill@infosec.exchange
2025-05-11T15:28:15Z
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I mean, personally I think I don't know shit about education of children, same as I don't know shit about most things outside my direct experience. If I were somehow dropped in as the head of a department of education, I'd start with trying to find the best scientists and research and practitioners in education, and listening to them. I know better than to believe my gut feelings are worth a dam.@futurebird
(DIR) Post #AtzLhZv0RXOpG1b5sm by crazyeddie@mastodon.social
2025-05-11T15:28:39Z
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@futurebird There's no reason at all to use qwerty. If it weren't for dvorak I wouldn't have been able to be a programmer. My wrists would have been garbage within a decade.
(DIR) Post #AtzMLqXy2Re0Pf1S8u by rgegriff@masto.hackers.town
2025-05-11T15:36:04Z
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@futurebird I always fantasized about wide ranging curricula that give a inch-deep-mile-wide view of things.Like Sand2Tetris; where you work from mineral chemistry, geology, social studies (where and how these minerals enter the supply chain is DEEPLY political, after all), into physics and electronics, rounding the corner to computer science and simple CPU design before grazing across program design and game design.I also always wanted to see mathematics presented chronologically
(DIR) Post #AtzMkYhVWjYyItGhhw by jmax@mastodon.social
2025-05-11T15:40:31Z
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@futurebird The AP track has to build their semiconductors from sand, of course. (Let's give high schoolers hydroflouric acid, yay!)
(DIR) Post #AtzMrXm5MvVRSTjySW by tsturm@famichiki.jp
2025-05-11T15:41:48Z
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@futurebird @catsalad 😂
(DIR) Post #AtzOocG4RTQQP5UuI4 by crinstamcamp@thecanadian.social
2025-05-11T16:03:39Z
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@futurebird Gardening, cooking, basic nature survival, manual/power tool use, basic construction, financial literacy and first aid should also be included.Especially pre-high school, kids should be taught the widest range of skills possible so that no matter what path they choose in life, they have enough experience to know what paths are available.Use high school for them to focus more on the type of paths they may want to choose and college/university to special in their chosen path(s).
(DIR) Post #AtzPxHCKDIXhe8RHBg by kwramm@mastodon.gamedev.place
2025-05-11T16:16:26Z
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@futurebird a lot more history. A lot more scary shit history. Cuz a lot of people didn’t learn anything or why is everyone voting for Trump, Organ & Co? Also history is awesome, like if you need inspiration for your writing, tv-show or game you’re working on
(DIR) Post #AtzQw81SwOhsr3NNaK by ladytel@masto.hackers.town
2025-05-11T16:27:26Z
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@futurebird I do have a silly idea of teaching my digital logic course to fifth graders. Call it "hidden lives of calculators"I think I'd start of teaching normal logic, conjunction disjunction and friends plus sentence diagrams. Hopefully one of them asks "umm teach when do we talk about calculators" to then bust out and and or gates. They'll be confused but then you hit them with "we've talked about these concepts already and draw connections from earlier logic intro.
(DIR) Post #AtzS8a7mNuVHRLpbHs by fneddy@mastodon.social
2025-05-11T16:40:54Z
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@futurebird I would have loved this soooooo much. I did my math homework in BASIC and always had some floppies in my backpack and sneaked into the computer lab. My 5th grade math teacher was not very … abused.By 11th grade I managed to take over the school network and got an official final last warning from headmaster.
(DIR) Post #AtzYHtwue5TRFyZkgK by stevegis_ssg@mas.to
2025-05-11T17:49:48Z
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@futurebird I have a lot of THOUGHTS about the biology curriculum, when you get there.
(DIR) Post #AtzYtj3NbV0MT6dWpU by Landa@graz.social
2025-05-11T17:56:37Z
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@futurebird Ina. Wonderful coincidence, this came up in my stream:https://transfem.social/notes/a7mgctvw8cub4i6v
(DIR) Post #Atzibv3JFjLY0lkfFw by fibresquare@mathstodon.xyz
2025-05-11T19:45:27Z
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@futurebird List of topics I think would be good candidates for the high school math curriculum:- Complex numbers. Really no excuse not to include it given quadratic equations are something of an obsession in high school curricula. Emphasize multiplication as rotation + scaling, plus there's a sketch of a proof of the fundamental theorem of algebra which is pretty simple, only relying on the fact that a loop surrounding the puncture in the punctured plane cannot be contracted, which I imagine students would just consider "obvious".- Projective space (maybe just in dimension 1 and 2). Could be paired nicely with classification of plane conics, where the various cases are seen to be how the line at infinity intersects the unique projective plane conic (assuming there exists at least one solution!). You could also throw in the classification of Pythagorean triples.- Symmetric groups. Even/odd permutations. Interesting subgroups like dihedral groups. Demonstrating some phenomena related to cosets or quotients, but only implicitly.- Motivate integration by focusing on applications to probability. Also maybe show students a few interesting ODEs.- Maybe finite (prime) fields?
(DIR) Post #AtzlVTXKwTnynXPpZI by ity@estradiol.city
2025-05-11T20:17:53Z
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@futurebird YES
(DIR) Post #Atzlj6eeoUkFswL6nI by athamanatha@furry.engineer
2025-05-11T20:20:24Z
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@futurebirdLearn open source gene editing tool development on a converted school bus #Vulpibus as it rescues transgender folks from abusive situations
(DIR) Post #Atzlu44gkM194Ijz8a by mensrea@freeradical.zone
2025-05-11T20:22:22Z
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@futurebird the political theory track would be amazing. Also the cryptography and fur suit making course
(DIR) Post #AtztiLHFlFOia0XTjk by negative12dollarbill@techhub.social
2025-05-11T21:49:54Z
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@futurebird I'm with you all the way except for maybe the soldering part. I'm having nightmares about how wrong that could go.
(DIR) Post #Atzvt26hZjyYDapTCS by peter@social.linss.com
2025-05-11T22:14:12Z
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@futurebird Transistors? No, start with mechanical logic gates like the Z1 used. Then maybe fluidic gates, and work up to transistors. Soldering skills in 4th grade sounds about right.When I was in high school I was building LANs for Commodore PETs and C64s. Designed the network card, line drivers, network wiring and connectors, on-wire signaling/protocols, and all the networking software. We sold them to schools for their computer labs. This is all doable.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z1_(computer)
(DIR) Post #Au04IxpCuzjA6FWQcq by CoolerPseudonym@wandering.shop
2025-05-11T23:48:17Z
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@futurebird Geeks should have input into things but they should very rarely be allowed to decide things
(DIR) Post #Au07kEJW1MFgv7OKXY by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-05-12T00:27:09Z
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@wakame I only noticed the typo in this just now. There is an extra "is" ... I don't think Mauser saw it and I didn't either.
(DIR) Post #Au0FgHhQI56LtaCgjo by vt52@ioc.exchange
2025-05-12T01:56:02Z
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@futurebird all assignments in LaTeX
(DIR) Post #Au1NJ2zPoCu6PA0ftA by nxskok@mastodon.cloud
2025-05-12T14:56:11Z
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@futurebird I would be in favour of teaching fifth-graders either the keyboard *or* the composer.
(DIR) Post #AuX64eistPYrfp0Zbk by vgarzareyna@mstdn.mx
2025-05-27T22:13:23Z
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@futurebird no, actually teach them haskell. it's good for them :)(im a disinterested party, trust me)