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(DIR) Post #AtpZjsH4cggEXnJDKS by lgm@post.lurk.org
2025-05-06T17:37:35Z
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Keynote Announcement: Dr. Richard Stallmanhttps://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2025/news/2025-05-06_0002-keynote-announcement-richard-stallmanOn Wednesday, May 28th at 19:30, Dr. Richard Stallman will deliver a keynote on Free/Libre Software and Freedom in the Digital Society at Libre Graphics Meeting.See the details in the linked announcement regarding admission to the talk.I also included a personal note on the decision, as I received mixed feedback.--Lasse#LibreGraphicsMeeting #LGM25NBG
(DIR) Post #AtpZjt2Zm4g4v7X9N2 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2025-05-06T22:18:23Z
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@lgm ... and Libre Graphics Meeting is now dead to me. š©
(DIR) Post #AtpeijIb0WtmBkIJkW by tirifto@jam.xwx.moe
2025-05-06T23:45:42.755654Z
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@davidrevoy @lgm Why? I understand youāre not a fan, but this seems quite harsh. :gutkato_scivola:
(DIR) Post #AtpeikCbeHhYzSV33I by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2025-05-06T23:13:53Z
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@tirifto @lgm Hey Tirifto! It's already well documented ( eg. https://drewdevault.com/2023/11/25/2023-11-26-RMS-on-sex.html ) and I have my own reasons and my own negative history with the FSF because of him. LGM deliberately chose to praise something with this invitation. Just something I don't want to waste my time on or be associated with anymore. So I'm moving on.
(DIR) Post #AtpgSOLvJkjEV2Bj9s by LucKeyProductions@c.im
2025-05-06T23:33:54Z
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@davidrevoy Did you visit the site https://stallmansupport.org, linked to in the announcement?
(DIR) Post #Atpi9LIidhVjRPjY3s by LucKeyProductions@c.im
2025-05-06T23:52:58Z
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@davidrevoy More like Drew D'Assault.
(DIR) Post #AtpqlHQSILW63lxA6i by yon@sakurajima.moe
2025-05-07T01:29:13Z
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@davidrevoy I firmly believe that open source needs a full refreshment from the original āguardā, and Iād hate to see all the far more positive (not all old guard are bad people nor have done anything bad, but itās time for a refresh) people get dragged down because of them.Thank you for being one of the positive voices in open source. We can all contribute, big and small, to a friendlier and more helpful environment.
(DIR) Post #AtqvComD00fEHzTURs by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-05-07T13:54:16.695328Z
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@davidrevoy @tirifto @lgm Quite interesting that you trust Devault; https://sizeof.cat/project/the-devault-report/Incredible - Drew even goes so far to accuse rms of desiring to rape minors (is Drew deflecting something?).(Of course in reality, rms is only into adult woman).People who were mistaken in the past are not allowed to realize they were mistaken and change their mind and therefore deserve to be forever cancelled huh?I don't see how LGM inviting him to discuss a technical subject is something to be concerned about.
(DIR) Post #AtqvfswoZPrfciIPA0 by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-05-07T13:59:31.731046Z
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@yon "open source" misses the point; https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html and is an attack on free software for the purposes of licking corporate boot; http://catb.org/~esr/open-source.htmlAs you can clearly see, it's about removing freedom and replacing it with an efficient development model, funded with donations from proprietary software corporations.The old guard stands strong for freedom and will not yield to corporate demands.The world is unfortunately not a friendly environment and you *will* be endlessly attacked if you stand for freedom - but we shall stand strong.
(DIR) Post #AtqvpZikuSiqt9LABc by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-05-07T14:01:17.535096Z
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@davidrevoy @lgm @tirifto https://www.wetheweb.org/post/cancel-we-the-web
(DIR) Post #Atqwz6EHVsXsGwBwv2 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2025-05-07T14:13:49Z
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@Suiseiseki I read the link to this report you just sent an hour ago, 13h after posting my link to Devault's blog (someone else sent it to me by DM). I read the report carefully. And it is very concerning too, and also well sourced. But still, the post I linked is also correctly sourced, and I don't need to thrust an author if the document is sourced correctly, I can make my own opinion based on the evidences.For sure, I'll avoid posting links from this blog in the future...@tirifto @lgm
(DIR) Post #AtrAy53tlcKdihkA1Q by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2025-05-07T16:50:54.031Z
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@lgm@post.lurk.org Pathetic.
(DIR) Post #AtrU3m7H18UVpOkcjI by graphicore@post.lurk.org
2025-05-06T22:15:44Z
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@lgm @halla @celesteh @federicomena @doctormoIām following this discussion.Can you explain to me where https://stallmansupport.org is so wrong. Is it completely wrong or just partially? And vice versa, is the āreportā completely right?I also had the impression the āreportā was written in a manipulative language and publishing it anonymously doesnāt support it either.Iād be interested in a discussion that is not so emotionally loaded, and Iām open to arguments. I see and get to feel that you are upset.
(DIR) Post #AtrU3nPkBwrNqyOt9s by mattwilcox@mstdn.social
2025-05-06T22:51:46Z
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@graphicore @lgm @halla @celesteh @federicomena @doctormo More practically and usefully: Why put yourself in the situation of āpicking a sideā on a clearly controversial issue, where multiple orgs have seen enough to officially cut ties, when there are surely many other people who could enjoy a spotlight and benefit the actual topic - without the risk? Why choose to do this? Pragmatically, does the move make sense?
(DIR) Post #AtrU3o9TRvRK8nnPRA by lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br
2025-05-07T20:23:02Z
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standing up to bullies and against the injustice they promote through violence nearly always makes sense. that they choose violence to force others to join their character assassination campaigns is already a red flag that you don't wish to be on their side. that they demand swift submission, to deny people a chance to look into the facts, is more evidence that their violent tactics are not means to promote justice. now, of course, being a victim of their violence says nothing about you or anything who stood on their path is innocent; only looking into the facts can accomplish that. which is why they have to stop you so forcefully from seeking facts, isolating their victim and anyone else who defies their violence. it's really ugly, and it takes courage to stand up to them. but for anyone who cares about justice and against censorship and violence, standing up to them is the only move that makes any sense(there are also plenty people tied up in false beliefs about the victims, induced by violence; whether they're mere victims of falsehoods or accomplices to the campaign of violence hinges on how they respond when called out for the violence they're participating in)CC: @graphicore@post.lurk.org @lgm@post.lurk.org @halla@kde.social @celesteh@lgbt.io @federicomena@mstdn.mx @doctormo@floss.social
(DIR) Post #AtsLzKs1lnvFh0x53g by LucKeyProductions@c.im
2025-05-07T15:46:20Z
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@Suiseiseki The open source definition is an almost exact copy of the Debian Free Software Guidelines. GNU accepts free software require "that you change the name of the modified version [or] remove a logo", which the DFSG and OSD do not (seem to) allow for. One might therefor argue open source is in fact more strict in demanding freedom of the software as a whole than free software is.https://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html#not_just_codehttps://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html#packagingNote that the three organisations disagree on the approval of several licenses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_free_and_open-source_software_licenses#Approvals
(DIR) Post #AtsLzMJiOLfEBAuhqy by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-05-08T06:29:03.210336Z
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@LucKeyProductions >The open source definition is an almost exact copy of the Debian Free Software Guidelines.Yes, which was in turn a pointless re-writing of the 4 freedoms - the end result are too many requirements that are confusing and that are actually *looser* and therefore allow the users freedom to be subverted with a crafted proprietary license.>GNU accepts free software require "that you change the name of the modified version [or] remove a logo"Asking people to change the project name and/or logo if they change the software is reasonable, provided such change is not onerous (i.e. requires hand editing thousands of files), as that does not infringe freedom 3, as swapping out a logo or changing a project name (even to <name>-ng) does not prevent the user from being able to make any change they want.Changes are not guaranteed to make the software better - they may make it worse - and it's not fair for a developer to have their reputation tarnished by a dodgy edit of their program with the same name (while a dodgy edit under a different name is unlikely to be be mistaken as being from the developer).When it comes to distribution and/or re-sale of unmodified versions, it would be a nonfree requirement to require that a logo or name is changed (but it would be entirely reasonable to require that any of such distribution mark in some reasonable way that what is being distributed is x program unmodified from developers y, by 3rd party z).>which the DFSG and OSD do not (seem to) allow forThe OSD & DFSG have the exact same wording that allows for such under section 4; "The license may require derived works to carry a different name or version number from the original software."You now see the problem with the DFSG and "OSD"?They're too long, so people don't even read to section 4!>One might therefor argue open source is in fact more strict in demanding freedom of the software as a whole than free software is.As can be seen in the table you linked; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_free_and_open-source_software_licenses?useskin=monobook#Approvals the "OSI" has approved multiple proprietary licenses, thus "open source" is clearly not about demanding freedom and has other goals.As for the licenses the "OSI" have not approved, but the FSF has approved as free license - such lack of approval by the "OSD" appears to be lack of interest rather than a disapproval.
(DIR) Post #AtsML0IMwryqFcba4W by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-05-08T06:33:00.009980Z
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@lxo @mattwilcox @graphicore @lgm @celesteh @federicomena @doctormo I would like to point out that slanderous accusations and lies are not violence, although it seems that the people who make such accusations will indeed turn to violence if that assists with microsoft and co's goals to put an end to freedom.
(DIR) Post #AtsNcuiuVGn68X7jEG by kakafarm@shitposter.world
2025-05-08T06:47:29.515202Z
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@Suiseiseki @davidrevoy @tirifto @lgm Why not ban the angry and divisive people who keep ruining fun for everyone else instead of the half a century long activist who did more than all of them combined?
(DIR) Post #AtsNikgGkplwjAfjN2 by kakafarm@shitposter.world
2025-05-08T06:48:32.855561Z
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@Suiseiseki @davidrevoy @lgm @tirifto Quoting:The announcement made many people angry and upset, and anger and division are not what LGM is about.
(DIR) Post #AtsakqLLyEm0H0DTfc by taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org
2025-05-08T06:44:26.620650Z
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@davidrevoy @tirifto @lgm Drew DeVault had been contributing to the public cataloguing of erotic drawings of children just months before he published that blog post. Back in 2016 or so, he put the tag "happy sex" on a drawing depicting a 14 year old being penetrated. The catalogue in question contains many such drawings of child abuse.Weird that he would wrongly accuse other people of pedophilia. As others have pointed out, it may have been projection. Otherwise, it may have just been a dishonest attempt at character assassination.
(DIR) Post #AtsbeUUWP42KiV2VwO by dagda@netzsphaere.xyz
2025-05-08T09:24:38.321171Z
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@kakafarm @davidrevoy @Suiseiseki @tirifto @lgm the ironic thing is that stallman is such a strong believer in free speech that he never would consult law to take anything on him down, even if it was libel exagerrated and false to a point it would fit the legal definition of defamation.What I would recommend is holding the "stir up shit" people to the exact same standards they invoke and looking through all their shit, even 20 years ago. Many of them are a walking clown circus anyway so there's likely plenty of atrocities to find. This cancel sentiement will eventually run out of fuel, but most likely only after the groups in question (mostly academic professional upper middle class) have seen it play out to the point of suffering through it themselves, which is inevitable with the dynamics at play. Only after that people will come to a collective sense that maybe people shouldn't surveil and judge others all the time and it has negative effects on the concept of a public sphere as a whole
(DIR) Post #Atsj6pxirqdV5yA5ei by sally@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-05-08T10:21:47.892682Z
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@dagda @davidrevoy @Suiseiseki @tirifto @lgm @kakafarm Stallman should stand up for himself and rightfully defend himself by any means necessary from this crowd of degenerates. He's just naĆÆve rather than principled, self-defense from bad actors is one of the main reasons why software freedom as a movement became a thing.He's too naĆÆve because he does believe these people, even though are defaming him are still allies of the free software movement and he believes they'll still stand up for those values even if they hate him, without realizing that this character assassination is just one of the plethora of schemes the corporate groups seek to harm and twist the public perception of his person but specially of the FSF and GNU.
(DIR) Post #AttXT4N4yHZxrYohXc by PurpCat@clubcyberia.co
2025-05-08T20:12:26.209479Z
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@yon @davidrevoy >I firmly believe that open source needs a full refreshment from the original āguardā, and Iād hate to see all the far more positive (not all old guard are bad people nor have done anything bad, but itās time for a refresh) people get dragged down because of them.I've got your new guard in FOSS right here.
(DIR) Post #AttYGwwQrx4RIb8avI by drewdevault@cum.salon
2025-05-08T20:21:27.317785Z
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@taylan @davidrevoy @tirifto @lgm Good thing rindexxx closed down before you nazi dipshits could dig up my account there. Really tired of people shitting on my valuable contributions to open source community because kiwifarms ass stains decided they need a new monkey for their circus.
(DIR) Post #AttcOBF0VAGxUZWrnU by KaiserKitty@clubcyberia.co
2025-05-08T21:07:33.768447Z
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@mattwilcox @graphicore @lgm @halla @celesteh @federicomena @doctormo why are liberals such bootlicking neurotypical scumbags "Who cares if its real or fake you should just go along with the mob its far more pragmatic to just do what they say"
(DIR) Post #Attevov6CHt61DNyjo by PurpCat@clubcyberia.co
2025-05-08T21:36:00.807113Z
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@KaiserKitty @mattwilcox @celesteh @doctormo @federicomena @graphicore @halla @lgm *taps the sign*
(DIR) Post #Atu8rrzXpdzl0nUua8 by federicomena@mstdn.mx
2025-05-06T21:20:13Z
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@lgm "After reviewing the complaints and the defense, I concluded that the concerns lacked substantive weight." This is what enables abuse. If you read https://stallman-report.org/ and still think that, you are abetting abuse.
(DIR) Post #Atu8rt71fJZcUI0Osi by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2025-05-09T03:11:26.858Z
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@federicomena@mstdn.mx @lgm@post.lurk.org If you read that "report" and got to the conclusion RMS is an evil person, you didn't do any research into its references. I would highly suggest you do, and also to read up on the texts posted by those in defense of RMS.Only accepting one side and condemning anyone who dares to reach a different conclusion simply makes you a tool of abusers, if anything. Its ironic, yet very sad and dangerous, that those who consider themselves the empathic and tolerant side have no empathy for other views or tolerance for disagreement.
(DIR) Post #Atu9ENo8DoLQ3etVbc by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2025-05-09T03:15:33.142Z
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@mattwilcox@mstdn.social @graphicore@post.lurk.org @lgm@post.lurk.org @halla@kde.social @celesteh@lgbt.io @federicomena@mstdn.mx @doctormo@floss.social While you consider it practical and useful to never question an angry mob hellbent on destroying lives of others, it is not very humane. A decent human being will generally not just condemn people for any unproven, unsubstantiated claim.Just because a topic is controversial, doesn't mean you should just accept the status quo. On the contrary, because it is controversial you should engage with it. This is perhaps the best way to grow your personal mind as a human being, for it forces you to really think about hard topics and build your own opinion.Foregoing individual thought makes you nothing more than an obedient fool.
(DIR) Post #Atu9rc2lE769VIRX3Q by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2025-05-09T03:22:38.283Z
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@KaiserKitty@clubcyberia.co @mattwilcox@mstdn.social @graphicore@post.lurk.org @lgm@post.lurk.org @halla@kde.social @celesteh@lgbt.io @federicomena@mstdn.mx @doctormo@floss.social "Pragmatism" is most often used as an excuse to be a terrible person. In almost any case it can be substituted for intellectual laziness.
(DIR) Post #AtuWTCwLCupPdslw9Y by mattwilcox@mstdn.social
2025-05-09T07:00:29Z
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@tyil @graphicore @lgm @halla @celesteh @federicomena @doctormo Oh I agree with you. But persuading others to change viewpoints isnāt achieved through only one method, and to me it seemed unlikely head on challenges were going to work here. So; I took the other tactic. If people can be persuaded to change their choices for personal impact reasons, itās a start that may soften them to consider the _actual_ reasons.
(DIR) Post #AtuWTEMxtPie4kEiI4 by mattwilcox@mstdn.social
2025-05-09T07:05:36Z
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@tyil @graphicore @lgm @halla @celesteh @federicomena @doctormo Or to put it another way; arguing people into other viewpoints isnāt a one step process. Often by arguing you just reinforce their position if theyāre emotionally attached to it. So, you have to find a way to achieve the practical thing first (end an undesirable action) and then work on persuading them to your side. Not try pounding a nail harder.
(DIR) Post #AtuWTFJoMcn51Fli0u by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2025-05-09T07:35:54.064Z
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@mattwilcox@mstdn.social @graphicore@post.lurk.org @lgm@post.lurk.org @halla@kde.social @celesteh@lgbt.io @federicomena@mstdn.mx @doctormo@floss.social The real question is why they're emotionally attached to the destruction of the lives of others. Once you realize their one desire is to completely and utterly eradicate people who disagree, you will see that pragmatism is not going to be a desirable outcome in the long run.Inviting the objectively greatest force for free software to an event that has "libre" in the name cannot possibly be an "offensive" take. Without RMS, LGM would not even have existed in the first place. The people who want to cancel him cannot be reasoned with, and you should never ever cave into the demands of psychopaths like them.I don't argue we need to convince those people of anything, I'm arguing you shouldn't let them convince you of anything. Don't listen to their hateful and unjustified criticism. Don't cave in to their sick demands. Ignore them if you must, but fight them if you can. The future of free software and to a large extent the free societies we live in depends on it.
(DIR) Post #AtueHtoEnH7ml16I9A by LucKeyProductions@c.im
2025-05-08T19:11:03Z
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@Suiseiseki The problem is that it is vague, and can be stretched to the point of calling things (for instance) libre games while all the media is nonfree, or all of a program's icons. Despite it being unusable without. It can then reasonably be claimed the assets get in the way of the complete piece of software's freedoms, but often gets called free software anyway. It is the FSF definition - not the DSFG - that explicitly allows for some leniency here.This is another implication that "free software" focuses mainly on free source code, instead of programs as a whole. In part because that makes monetization easier. Exactly what you accuse "open source" of; that the focus is on profit rather then freedom.A name is not media, and sometimes ties in with the copyright holder(s). That's a different issue. For instance when the word "Team" is appended to the name of the project to represent a collective author.
(DIR) Post #AtueHulRFATnicnZQG by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-05-09T09:03:30.785090Z
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@LucKeyProductions >The problem is that it is vague,The 4 freedoms are very specific and are in no way vague - it is quite simple to determine if the software is free or not.>to the point of calling things (for instance) libre games while all the media is nonfree, or all of a program's iconsYes, the software component of such games are free, but the media is not.That doesn't stop people from enjoying freedom with the software, as the software will still run if you go swap out the media with blank images and audio files etc (i.e. with a script) and people are also free to import or draw or compose free replacements for the media.>It is the FSF definition - not the DSFG - that explicitly allows for some leniency here.That doesn't make any sense, considering that the DSFG is a rewriting of the free software definition, except looser.Debian is a bad example, as they have never in fact disallowed proprietary software or proprietary media - all they have ever required is that it be put in a separate repo (on the same servers and documented in the same wiki even) and Debian is even proprietary software by default now.For example, Debian puts free game software in these packages in the free repo;https://packages.debian.org/sid/games/angbandhttps://packages.debian.org/sid/games/angband-dataThey also distribute nonfree audio files, except they happen to be in the nonfree repo;https://packages.debian.org/sid/games/angband-audioThe game appears to play fine without the proprietary audio files, so Debian certainly could have chosen to not distribute them, but they are.>This is another implication that "free software" focuses mainly on free source code, instead of programs as a whole. In part because that makes monetization easier.Free software focuses on all of the executable component of the software - both the source code and the binaries equally.For practical reasons, the FSF does compromise on many things that don't impact the users freedom in the end and one of those compromises is to permit business activities that are not harmful for software freedom; https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/compromise.htmlIt is in fact "open source" that mainly focuses on publicly available and source code that can work with a public development model, but is not too concerned if the binaries and even those sources are in fact nonfree.
(DIR) Post #AtufI3uXKu8u2bgk2C by LucKeyProductions@c.im
2025-05-08T19:36:41Z
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@Suiseiseki #Angband includes nonfree sound effects and does not allow commercial redistribution.Is Angband free software?#OpenSource #FreeSoftware #FOSS #Games
(DIR) Post #AtufI4dCeps6H8aPei by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-05-09T09:14:47.471719Z
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@LucKeyProductions Supertuxkart is free software and the media is also under a free license.Zero-K has the bad habit of not putting copyright headers on source files, but there is a barely sufficient license statement and it seems it is free software and even mostly free media - but there's one audio file under a nonfree license.Angband is free software, but the optional audio is nonfree.