Post Atkz5KCbVcfeJ1kAwC by polotek@social.polotek.net
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 (DIR) Post #Atkz5KCbVcfeJ1kAwC by polotek@social.polotek.net
       2025-05-04T17:03:55Z
       
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       Remember when I said Bluesky was part of the fediverse and everybody got real mad about it? They're pretty close to enabling fully independent self-hosting.https://bsky.app/profile/bad-example.com/post/3loe7iy2gdc2c
       
 (DIR) Post #Atkz5LOh49w40oPLQ8 by wjmaggos@liberal.city
       2025-05-04T17:09:08Z
       
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       @polotek https://social.coop/@bnewbold/114439914596970558
       
 (DIR) Post #Atl7cwkzz2lB4SNIKO by wjmaggos@liberal.city
       2025-05-04T18:44:53Z
       
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       @nullagent @polotek my focus is getting to "democracy of reach", the necessary addendum to "freedom of speech" vastly expanded by the web. it will mean people decide what goes viral. huge implications in culture generally, not just as a better way to do social media.anyway, I see how AP does that, basically promising a future of no gatekeepers between a site run by a govt or news outlet with social capacity and the public.I don't yet see the AT vision re this, esp post Turkiye censorship.
       
 (DIR) Post #Atl8WqNQtLLVV40PnU by polotek@social.polotek.net
       2025-05-04T18:54:57Z
       
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       @wjmaggos @nullagent I'm curious what you see as fundamentally different between activitypub and atproto. IMO, atproto is the one designed to have access controls involved whereas AP is having a hard time layering that in after the fact. I'm not sure what you're referring to in terms of vitality.
       
 (DIR) Post #AtlIkJH1lTjwQa4N3A by polotek@social.polotek.net
       2025-05-04T18:55:13Z
       
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       @wjmaggos @nullagent virality I mean.
       
 (DIR) Post #AtlIkKXj2sguMetDiS by wjmaggos@liberal.city
       2025-05-04T20:49:32Z
       
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       @polotek @nullagent @mondoweiss is the example I always use. they are a news outlet running their own servers, mastodon and peertube I believe. mostly criticizing Israel, lots of pressure could come down on them, claiming they are lying or being antisemitic. it's essential imo that folks like them be fully independent and be able to have their items go viral without anybody (except our server admins I guess) being able to limit that. and relatedly, us only needing to switch servers if they do.
       
 (DIR) Post #AtlJKj7t7g5r279xIG by wjmaggos@liberal.city
       2025-05-04T20:56:08Z
       
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       @polotek @nullagent @mondoweiss this future, making it as cheap as possible for them to do that, is the huge promise I love about fedi. taken further, it kills the power of politicians to turn money into political ads. it changes how we know about the world, putting the people fully in control. it kinda takes away the worst thing about capitalism. etc etc.a world of lots of relays doesn't hold the same promise of all websites also being AP enabled and most of us on locality based servers.
       
 (DIR) Post #AtlJsGTOA3b60qCywa by wjmaggos@liberal.city
       2025-05-04T21:02:04Z
       
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       @nullagent @polotek @mondoweiss it's not everybody's brain connected with worldwide wireless chips we control, but AP is quite an improvement. I worry that the AT model moves us backwards.
       
 (DIR) Post #AtlKFGV8DsIOlBzVdg by polotek@social.polotek.net
       2025-05-04T21:06:20Z
       
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       @wjmaggos @nullagent I'm still not sure you've explained what you think is different about atproto. I'm a little confused at the censorship issues as well. If you run an independent server, you can send out whatever you want. The receiver also gets to decide. And part of that might be accepting some tradeoffs from the policies of whatever server they decide to reside on.
       
 (DIR) Post #AtlKzGjbgeU0nyhL9s by wjmaggos@liberal.city
       2025-05-04T21:14:39Z
       
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       @polotek @nullagentwith AT (before today's announcement of fully decentralized relays I think), everything went thru the bluesky relay. as just happened in Turkiye, their govt asked and BS complied to make sure some posts were not seen by their users in that country. there's been reporting but no statement by the company.with AP, it's only about the posting and reading servers.and big picture long term, overall network decentralization is key. which model will more likely lead to that?
       
 (DIR) Post #AtlQ4APp6lTeQRbDvs by polotek@social.polotek.net
       2025-05-04T22:11:30Z
       
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       @wjmaggos @nullagent I may be confused. Yes it has taken a while for all of the parts of the atproto system to be ready to run independently. Not subject to the policies of the bsky company. That has always been the stated goal, and the post I shared says they're very close to that. I assumed you were pointing to some kind of technical concerns.
       
 (DIR) Post #AtlSYO7KvgGLW6UTei by wjmaggos@liberal.city
       2025-05-04T22:39:26Z
       
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       @polotek @nullagent my concern is always on what this tech means for the wider culture and civics.re the latest developments and everything hopefully coming together, I'm now focused on what this means for AT going forward. I said it in another post, but if there's a real push for decentralization, doesn't AT lose it's advantages over AP? where do new users sign up? why would VCs give them more money? doesn't separate relays mean no unified view of the network to search etc?