Post AthmJF2zafIDUffql6 by wertimer@clubcyberia.co
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(DIR) Post #AthStiaHFhc6RUMIQS by nothingeverhappens@mai.waifuism.life
2025-05-02T23:47:05.204Z
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Learning Latin Day 2 << Day 1Decided to completely focus on Stabat Mater for now since I really like this hymn, and medieval Latin is simpler than the classical one, so it's like a tutorial I guess. I also don't care about vocab differences as they are not crucial.It's actually an interesting choice, because it's something we can actually listen to, get used to and memorize (and sing along). I am attaching the screenshot of the first stanza and 2 audiofiles from Vivaldi's Stabat Mater singing it. The first thing is that we identify a relatively free word order, which lets me omit the first complex grammar issues and see Mater dolorosa lacrimosaMother sorrowful weepingI don't know what parts of speech those are, so I simply continue to stabat, which I find in the wiktionary and see that it means was standing. I assume that abat is something like Spanish aba or ia, and move on. Stabat Mater dolorosa lacrimosaThe sorrowful weeping Mother was standingI also know that Latin has word gender and adjectives should change accordingly, like in Spanish, so I highlight in blue to myself that it was a hymn about Father, it would beStabat Pater dolorosus lacrimosusNow the scary red part, juxta Crucem is something like next to the Cross or near the Cross, but a cross means crux, why does the ending change? Thankfully after Day 1 I know what's Accusative is, so I start to assume to myself that all nouns should end with em whenever they are "Accusative'ed", a quick check with Mater - juxta Matrem and Pater - juxta Patrem confirms my assumption and I move on.Stabat Mater dolorosa juxta Crucem lacrimosaThe sorrowful mother was standing next to the Cross, weepingThe last line seemed very simple to me. From Day 1's Lengua Latina I know that Filius means son, it's not any grammar case to learn, dum seems to be while and pendebat looks like stabat, which is already covered.Stabat Mater dolorosa juxta Crucem lacrimosa, dum pendebat FiliusThe sorrowful mother was standing next to the Cross, weeping, while the Son was hangingThen, I immediately see 4 words, green, put to Accusative, like with Crucem: grieving, sorrowful, pained soul. If I go down I see pertransivit, pierced from wiktionary again it's a verb in the past, but unlike abat and ebat from the first part, it's Perfect, not Imperfect, so I assume and memorize it ending to spot Perfect verbs for now. Now I know why there is Accusative here!*Cuius animam gementem contristatam et dolentem pertransívit gladius*Whose [..] soul pierced a sword
(DIR) Post #AthWNzJZuceIsifnX6 by wertimer@clubcyberia.co
2025-05-03T01:03:47.964332Z
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@nothingeverhappens I figured I might as well learn some so I downloaded copies of Lingua Latina, too :blobcatthumbsup: BTW here's a catchy recording I like from the red book of Montserrat called Stella Splendens. They don't seem to have very classical pronunciation...
(DIR) Post #AthXaOPQXPI88ht6au by nothingeverhappens@mai.waifuism.life
2025-05-03T01:16:00.169Z
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@wertimer@clubcyberia.co WOW!!! Thank you so much, I never heard of this manuscript, this is absolutely going to my list of stuff to look at. The song is wonderful and the lyrics are wonderful :sadcat: I love it
(DIR) Post #AthYM884MyBfY2X2US by nothingeverhappens@mai.waifuism.life
2025-05-03T01:23:42.743Z
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@wertimer@clubcyberia.co also there is a group called Sequentia, all their releases feature ""old stuff"" including medieval Gregorian chants, really soothing. Chri-i-istus vinci-i-it~
(DIR) Post #AthYeW0iJlfgpLrGIS by wertimer@clubcyberia.co
2025-05-03T01:29:12.010889Z
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@nothingeverhappens I like them. The main guy Benjamin Bagby did an entertaining performance of Beowulf: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2WcIK_8f7oQ&t=112s. I just wish I knew how his pronunciation stacks up to the standard reconstruction (never studied Old English)They also have a good Norse album called Edda.
(DIR) Post #Athl4aW3O7ODmPiRfs by nothingeverhappens@mai.waifuism.life
2025-05-03T03:31:21.508Z
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@wertimer@clubcyberia.co MAN YOU CAN'T JUST DROP SUCH GOLD OUT OF NOWHERE! As soon I watched through the first couple of minutes, I realized I had to drop whatever I was planning to do this evening and watch it entirely! So lively, such energy, how he portrayed different characters in different voices, the war cry, the joy cry, the fun interruptions, the change of pace and rhythm... the terrible realization I will never be as cool as that guy, even remotely, and all I can hope for is at least a fraction of his authenticity for moments I want to tell a story. Now I wish we had something like that for Iliad... I remember long ago I watched a polyMATHY's video on the sound of the first Iliad's line, it's so cool! We need the whole thing as well!
(DIR) Post #AthmJF2zafIDUffql6 by wertimer@clubcyberia.co
2025-05-03T04:02:12.905870Z
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@nothingeverhappens glad you liked it; not a lot of Old English stuff out there. Of anything, that one makes me most want to study it.I haven't looked for any sung ancient Greek before; it has a good sound!