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(DIR) Post #AtcFjAIRmtsi8TDkiu by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-30T12:03:28Z
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There is a kind of man who loves religion but does not believe. He recognizes that his mind has been spoiled by knowledge and modernity. The irrationality of zealots fills him with loninging, a kind of paternalistic envy. “I can never inhabit your little world where Christ is King, Where the devil nips at your heels. But, I can protect you, your precious innocence, your precious ignorance.” 1/
(DIR) Post #AtcFrRVzeaX5r2VJYm by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-30T12:05:01Z
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“…None of my oh-so-rational peers really understands the beauty of the primitive and pure experience you live every day.” He thinks. “But, that is why it is my duty to keep you from knowing the things that have made such joy impossible for me.” 2/
(DIR) Post #AtcFzyzj3rde0RU1qa by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-30T12:06:33Z
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This kind of man really feels Christ like in doing this. In making this “sacrifice” in “bearing the burden of knowing” that none of what they claim to believe is as true as they claim, and he creates conditions where it’s nearly impossible for those within his influence to put this together for themselves. Out of love. For their own good.He feels owed a debt of gratitude for this “service.”3/3
(DIR) Post #AtcGDHRtl9mR0R0A9w by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-30T12:08:57Z
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He is, of course, monstrous. And totally wrong.
(DIR) Post #AtcGKHsqXfDANgwoPw by guyjantic@infosec.exchange
2025-04-30T12:10:12Z
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@futurebird That's pretty dark, but I don't doubt you have knowledge and experience behind it.I grew up in a church with a strong patriarchal/authoritarian thing going on. The leaders of the church for decades kept the church's records about controversial stuff secret from all but a few at the top (this more or less fell apart with the internet). We were occasionally told they were protecting us from "dangerous knowledge", when they weren't saying "nothing to see here." One of the church leaders once said, "there are some truths that are not useful" as a defense of anti-transparency.So I guess it's not that different from the situation you describe.
(DIR) Post #AtcGggHeVHmMQZEDmi by indigoparadox@mastodon.social
2025-04-30T12:14:07Z
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@futurebird This is making me think of the Wickerman (the original movie, not the "Not The Bees!" remake).
(DIR) Post #AtcHE2PzEHDOdH24sy by phpete@mastodon.coffee
2025-04-30T12:20:12Z
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@futurebirdEw.(This is not a disagreement, simply a visceral reaction to the things you speak of being laid bare for all to see)
(DIR) Post #AtcHXyRphT6M6vP0Ma by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-30T12:23:54Z
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@guyjantic I think this is incredibly common. But, probably such people aren’t ever as pointedly aware as in this example. They can’t imagine a way to know, for example, that evolution describes everything about the natural world or that the Bible was written by human beings or that sex and gender are complex AND still find the world beautiful. The truth is ugly to them and they think it’s somehow a kindnesses to build pockets of ignorance.
(DIR) Post #AtcIVG99XYNG5UvzbU by DLink@posthat.ca
2025-04-30T12:34:34Z
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@futurebird "I keep picturing all these little kids playing some game in this big field of rye and all. Thousands of little kids, and nobody's around--nobody big, I mean-- except me. And I'm standing on the edge of some crazy cliff. What I have to do, I have to catch everybody if they start to go over the cliff--I mean if they're running and they don't look where they're going I have to come out from somewhere and catch them. That's all I do all day. I'd just be the catcher in the rye and all."
(DIR) Post #AtcJZAveyt0N1B3QUS by dawngreeter@dice.camp
2025-04-30T12:46:29Z
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@futurebird That seems like a (disturbing) cut above the very common position of not really believing, but still believing in belief. Which is most people who describe themselves as religious, I think.
(DIR) Post #AtcKc0rOyMDEc5ymy8 by screwturn@mastodon.social
2025-04-30T12:58:10Z
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@futurebird I've met this guy
(DIR) Post #AtcT2iHowA18SYZyro by pencilears@mastodon.eternalaugust.com
2025-04-30T14:32:36Z
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@futurebird I'm realizing that I've met this kind of person in a secular context: they think the discovery channel's fake documentaries about mermaids and megalodon being real are cool and that I, a volunteer science educator, shouldn't "spoil the fun" for their family by talking about how knowing things by looking at evidence works.
(DIR) Post #Atd0QarVUPBws2GYRE by llewelly@sauropods.win
2025-04-30T20:46:46Z
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@futurebird having been raised in a zealotinous religion, one which was (in)famous for its "milk before meat" practices of layering its lessons so the more objectional material required going much deeper into the religion, I feel I ought to have something important to say here. But I don't.
(DIR) Post #AtdYYnjwtDrRZMoeye by guyjantic@infosec.exchange
2025-05-01T03:09:14Z
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@futurebird I find this comment very insightful. Thanks.