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(DIR) Post #AtIQdDi2hVpqyQo2zY by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-20T22:31:28Z
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I'm watching a video about "the crown of St Wenceslas" which is from 1346 in Prague. All these comments and the guy in the video keeps saying how 'beautiful' it is and I'm just not seeing it? Ugliest thing I've ever seen in my life. I guess it's "beautiful" that it's from 1346 and so well preserved. And naturally it's not made for the "modern eye". But... good lord. It's like someone broke a stain glass window and cleaned it up with tape. Am I being unfair?
(DIR) Post #AtIQqHVdsrCiWXEa7U by ohmu@social.seattle.wa.us
2025-04-20T22:33:46Z
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@futurebirdIt looks like the bad kind of fruitcake.
(DIR) Post #AtIQrCwYLTbAeVGNTk by grrrr_shark@supervolcano.angryshark.eu
2025-04-20T22:33:57Z
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@futurebird it looks like the world's tackiest jello mold, designed by the Burger King đ€Ł
(DIR) Post #AtIQsGLdAnHRV6Up5k by cobalt123@beige.party
2025-04-20T22:34:09Z
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@futurebird Well, the gems do command attention and are not buried in fillagree.
(DIR) Post #AtIR8dc2RYV4Huyl5E by fuzzychef@m6n.io
2025-04-20T22:37:03Z
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@futurebird Nothing succeeds like excess.
(DIR) Post #AtIR9Irj48PUERdMjA by snork303@toot.community
2025-04-20T22:37:05Z
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@futurebirdI'd wear it.
(DIR) Post #AtIRBPJY3nuQoNeQ8u by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-20T22:37:36Z
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@revndm If I had to write about it I'd say something like "It clearly communicates the wealth of the king, and his power to wear so many valuable materials without anyone snatching it of his head to make something nicer out of all that gold. A desire that must have been intense for those viewing it."
(DIR) Post #AtIRMWtWDZ4dVSmNMm by AdamDavis@mastodon.social
2025-04-20T22:39:37Z
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@futurebird You're being plenty fair. This crown makes me wonder if they knew how to cut gemstones back then.
(DIR) Post #AtIRR3tZSn550zxsxc by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-20T22:40:23Z
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@spaceharper I am assuming this is what the burger king crown was based on?
(DIR) Post #AtIRc23gdJDUVHvZ8S by stevenaleach@sigmoid.social
2025-04-20T22:42:26Z
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@futurebird Before I even started reading, that was my first thought: That is tacky as hell.
(DIR) Post #AtIRiAQsPZYWDFhS2S by fembot@mstdn.social
2025-04-20T22:43:33Z
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@futurebird Egads. No, I think you're being generous. The artisan's vision for that thing is not something I understand at all.
(DIR) Post #AtIRn3MQ8F1pjAwfey by Momgoth@wandering.shop
2025-04-20T22:44:22Z
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@futurebird Honestly, it looks like a kindergartenerâs idea of what a âfancy crownâ would look like. But maybe that was the style back then, I donât know.
(DIR) Post #AtIRv2PjXEnb6nIo2y by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-20T22:45:54Z
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@fembot There are many things much older that still impress me today. Something about the polished but uncut gems and the flatness of the gold just feels ... low effort?
(DIR) Post #AtIS51sWNicqLKX2MC by clew@ecoevo.social
2025-04-20T22:47:39Z
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I can enjoy the rocks being only minimally faceted to show that theyâre translucent, not trimmed into geometries of very human fashions. Rock respect, yeah. Might not ge what anyone else likes about it.The enamel makes me wonder how it looked on a person by candlelight. @futurebird
(DIR) Post #AtISEQW09U1JMJTmhE by USelaine@mastodon.online
2025-04-20T22:49:21Z
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@futurebird IMO the Hungarian crown is better.
(DIR) Post #AtISNU1yRxvorvkjuy by gpilz@mastodon.social
2025-04-20T22:50:58Z
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@futurebird If you had a child in 3rd grade that made something that looked like this, it would strain your parental acting ability to convince them that you really thought it was "beautiful".
(DIR) Post #AtISTvQvTtyBarUnho by limpr@ruhr.social
2025-04-20T22:52:09Z
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@futurebird This reminds me of the time I visited two exhibitions back-to-back, one with Russian treasures and one with East-Asian ceramics. For my taste, the treasures didn't stand a chance.
(DIR) Post #AtISc2tLdQZv2ff6LA by grob@mstdn.social
2025-04-20T22:53:35Z
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@futurebird I don't think it's beautiful. Looks cobbled together and clunky, weird proportions. Like someone splurged on materials and skimped on skill. Just tacky.
(DIR) Post #AtISnZBRulIuNZcdgO by Fat_Farang@mastodon.social
2025-04-20T22:55:43Z
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@futurebird Beautiful, if walking around with your stolen loot on your head is your idea of beauty.
(DIR) Post #AtIToGZyfdVmvFzc48 by stevenaleach@sigmoid.social
2025-04-20T23:07:03Z
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@futurebird In fairness, can anyone show an example of a crown that *isn't* tacky?I mean... that's kinda the defining feature of a crown?
(DIR) Post #AtITsOFc5dKhsEQxrk by fembot@mstdn.social
2025-04-20T23:07:47Z
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@futurebird Right, it's a visual jumble that may have been the height of avant-garde minimalism in 1346 or whatever, but it's giving a slapdash vibe like bad fast-fashion.
(DIR) Post #AtIUakYUWWR3n8Ps5Q by untsuki@udongein.xyz
2025-04-20T23:15:53.501972Z
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@futurebird biblically accurate crown
(DIR) Post #AtIUcSH7SZWTfx6Uj2 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-20T23:16:08Z
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@stevenaleach This one's not too bad.
(DIR) Post #AtIUit5uewdaajvg9Y by andyprice@mastodon.social
2025-04-20T23:17:14Z
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@futurebird It looks like it was made by a jeweller who had received no training in hat making
(DIR) Post #AtIV0TRCmxKQEQH4fg by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-20T23:20:29Z
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@electropict I mean to be fair no one knows what the king looks like exactly, so you really did need to have a distinctive hat that screams "KING ITS ME" so... job done I guess?
(DIR) Post #AtIV1WQ3Bo1hlfEZOa by stevenaleach@sigmoid.social
2025-04-20T23:20:33Z
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@futurebird It does show some restraint. And the snake is nice. I definitely like the unexpectedly cute snake.Ok... as crowns go that's not *especially* tacky.
(DIR) Post #AtIV9Jnpyr2mxJ4t1s by mrbruno@mstdn.social
2025-04-20T23:22:03Z
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@futurebird Looks like "art" made in kindergarten for parents.
(DIR) Post #AtIVAU2XP9aGzkVdwG by nosword@localization.cafe
2025-04-20T23:21:41Z
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@fembot @futurebird To be fair, our historical sources only depict Good King Wenceslas looking out on deep, crisp, even snow; peasants; etc., not at mirrors to check his fit
(DIR) Post #AtIVmsEtsdcx3Ib7dQ by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-20T23:29:14Z
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A few people have suggested it was meant to be "seen from a distance" and "in candle and torchlight for reflections"And that's an OK theory... but if someone said that about my face I would not think it was a compliment.
(DIR) Post #AtIVx1MmngfyFu7nkm by blue@bigshoulders.city
2025-04-20T23:31:01Z
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@futurebird did Wenceslas Jr. make it for him for Fatherâs Day?
(DIR) Post #AtIW1Y9ipgBv6lApu4 by DamonWakes@mastodon.sdf.org
2025-04-20T23:31:51Z
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@futurebird Hey, be nice to Wenceslas! He took one for the team by ensuring that future kids' king costumes with glued-on plastic jewels would resemble at least one real crown.
(DIR) Post #AtIWDN2zxXLg8AfJgm by smn@l3ib.org
2025-04-20T23:33:59Z
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@futurebird hah that's a great spin on the classic "he has a face only a mother could love", i.e. "he has a face that's best viewed from a distance"
(DIR) Post #AtIWW78rJsTcIqLP9M by thecorodon@wandering.shop
2025-04-20T23:37:18Z
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@futurebird What it looks like is plastic.Though I guess that didn't occur to them until plastic was invented.
(DIR) Post #AtIWpuLiakpCQ2nV2m by billyjoebowers@mastodon.online
2025-04-20T23:40:57Z
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@futurebird This reminds me of stage or movie props where they slap something together like "No one is going to see it up close, it's fine"
(DIR) Post #AtIXW4bMrcXINYDuLo by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-20T23:48:32Z
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@cathos "An we can deduce he did not have good relationships with any of the local jewelers or goldsmiths.""how"Shows photo of this crown.
(DIR) Post #AtIXdcSLONOZP5bJGC by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-20T23:49:58Z
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@glitzersachen @snork303 (looks around nervously for history heads...whispering)I'd make it into 900,000 heart stints and some nice tooth fillings.
(DIR) Post #AtIXxBl4Me7KOQgtM0 by Kierkegaanks@beige.party
2025-04-20T23:53:29Z
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@futurebird if it was from this year iâd think it was a disney resort crown. But for the 14th century i think itâs exquisite
(DIR) Post #AtIZ7SEO4bVSKgrZ20 by jplebreton@mastodon.social
2025-04-21T00:06:27Z
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@futurebird looks like an item you'd collect in a Playstation 2 game
(DIR) Post #AtIZPFMKfYFFck3z3A by cinebox@masto.hackers.town
2025-04-21T00:09:42Z
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@futurebird @fembot dwarf fortress strange mood ass object
(DIR) Post #AtIZxnTUKqhxHDswaW by anabollocks@masto.nyc
2025-04-21T00:15:59Z
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@futurebird it's sort of wabi-sabi? I wonder if the handful of faceted stones don't throw it off; it makes the non-faceted ones look like mistakes.
(DIR) Post #AtIaPUWiNQV4cRbGUq by LovesTha@floss.social
2025-04-21T00:21:00Z
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@futurebird King: here take these rings that are too gaudy, make me a crown from themJeweller: sureK: I'll be back to pick it up tomorrowJ: !!!!!!
(DIR) Post #AtIfD48t9A6n5MLkrQ by 4sphere@mathstodon.xyz
2025-04-21T01:13:05Z
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@vivtek @futurebird I agree it looks better.Also, it bothers me way more than it should that the cross is crooked
(DIR) Post #AtIfD58vQVjSBlNIYa by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-21T01:14:46Z
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@4sphere @vivtek Maybe it's like a propeller?(I'm so glad I didn't live in a time or place where I had to take kings seriously. I couldn't have coped. )
(DIR) Post #AtIg6p8k7154lzrx5M by 4sphere@mathstodon.xyz
2025-04-21T01:24:51Z
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@futurebird @vivtek Likewise. The wiki suggests it may be from its container lid smooshing it. I wonder if the average viewer just didn't get close enough to notice those details. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Crown_of_Hungary
(DIR) Post #AtIj10CYNAk3CkZERs by c_dan4th@mstdn.social
2025-04-21T01:57:23Z
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@futurebird Maybe it's not quite so ugly, but this is the crown of the Holy Roman Emperors in Vienna. It looks like something a bunch of elementary school kids made with macaroni and glitter glue.
(DIR) Post #AtImeiImdqiP8V6o0u by A1MVP@masto.hackers.town
2025-04-21T02:38:11Z
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@futurebird I don't know what you mean, the emperor's clothes are so wonderous and beautiful đ đŹ
(DIR) Post #AtInm9LSatoOzSTEMy by Meznor@mstdn.social
2025-04-21T02:50:45Z
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@futurebird it looks like a cartoon version of what Tim Burton would feature in one of his movies
(DIR) Post #AtInw2OrGrlQLVm6Gu by MargaretSefton@writing.exchange
2025-04-21T02:52:33Z
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@futurebird đ Pretty gaudy. Maybe gem cutting was pretty primitive back then.
(DIR) Post #AtIouf8AOqwbqHsLdQ by acm_redfox@jawns.club
2025-04-21T03:03:30Z
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@futurebird this thread is so much better than that crown! đ€Ł
(DIR) Post #AtIpfb875nyN2oEOYq by WaitingOnABus@urbanists.social
2025-04-21T03:11:59Z
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@futurebird yeah outside of the âwow thatâs 700 years old, truly a part of humanityâs tapestryâ sort of âbeautyâ which I would definitely feel if I was in the same roomâŠPretty ugly.
(DIR) Post #AtIqrXsN7GhwNj845A by mattmcirvin@mathstodon.xyz
2025-04-21T03:25:22Z
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@futurebird It's certainly got big, BIG, colorful gems on it, I'll say that.
(DIR) Post #AtJ0qSBFnzmZyB4xsm by burnitdown@beige.party
2025-04-21T05:17:10Z
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@futurebird crowns are basically a magical power hat. in times before electric lights, people would use reflectors to increase light in a room. if your magical golden power hat reflects a lot of light in a dim room, it projects that power into the room. the gems may have been almost more like a modern party light, the way they probably throw a colourful glow all around and reflect off the gold.
(DIR) Post #AtJ2cSd3XcLXDMXT4S by derherrschulz@mastodon.social
2025-04-21T05:37:06Z
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@futurebird Looks like smth I did in kindergarden
(DIR) Post #AtJ4GVTEUmshZ5bSfQ by lufthans@mastodon.social
2025-04-21T05:55:31Z
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@futurebird it looks better when worn while riding an upside down horsehttps://www.atlasobscura.com/places/statue-of-king-wenceslas-riding-an-upsidedown-dead-horse
(DIR) Post #AtJvdvtbhwijkjzlSK by SvenGeier@mathstodon.xyz
2025-04-21T15:53:37Z
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@futurebird In all honesty if/when Trump finally has a crown made for him I seriously expect it to look exactly like this...
(DIR) Post #AuIgn9joMGc5UAu0Aq by cavyherd@wandering.shop
2025-05-20T23:24:31Z
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@futurebird If I saw that in a play, I'd think, "They really should have shelled out for a real costumer...."
(DIR) Post #AuIiS9VQE3YKapHgLQ by Lazarou@mastodon.social
2025-05-20T23:43:14Z
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@futurebird it looks like it's from the 1950s, and worn by a 'space king' in a Monsterdon film.
(DIR) Post #AuIjhrGntSdAchV2Su by aSweetGentleman@mstdn.social
2025-05-20T23:44:32Z
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@astory @futurebird Not sure if I should thank you or curse you but now I will forever think of catholic saints as Pokemon.After all they all have their special "power"!
(DIR) Post #AuIjhsFQG57VehrRx2 by aSweetGentleman@mstdn.social
2025-05-20T23:56:01Z
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@astory @futurebird That's it, my imagination is going wild.Now I'm thinking of a game where you play saints to fight evil, each saints having its own skills, attributes and stats.There's no way nobody ever thought of doing that. A Vatican-approved RPG.
(DIR) Post #AuIjoMdmAhSheeLZiq by Elleaster@ohai.social
2025-05-20T23:58:23Z
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@futurebird The way they finished out the edges of the gold really pisses me off. Why?
(DIR) Post #AuIjpRnKUhujvgKePo by kinsale42@mstdn.games
2025-05-20T23:58:30Z
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@futurebird the Book of Kells is 500 years older and much more beautiful in my opinion
(DIR) Post #AuIjq9gRJgXy33Rlmi by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-05-20T23:58:42Z
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@aSweetGentleman @astory Pilgrims were just roaming pokemon trainers looking for more powerful saints to add to their collection. Wenceslas used "Dazzle"It is not very effective.
(DIR) Post #AuJIS0tfpVxIF7rQuW by isotopp@infosec.exchange
2025-05-21T06:26:35Z
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@futurebird There is of course only one true Queen, and her supreme majesty is not having only one crown.Meet Queen Astrea and watch her episodes of https://www.tiktok.com/discover/i-bought-too-many-crowns-controversy
(DIR) Post #AuJsvn6jGAbuVsSw40 by MaryAustinBooks@mstdn.social
2025-05-21T13:15:17Z
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@futurebird I used reverse image search on the image to learn more and found this. Guess some people like it? đ https://www.etsy.com/listing/1707762812/13th-century-saint-wenceslas-crown
(DIR) Post #AuJvXqVbGLFxySNACe by davew@mastodon.online
2025-05-21T13:44:38Z
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@futurebird Every age has its idiosyncratic style. Looking at you, parachute pants and mullets.
(DIR) Post #AuJwe3VTwsxZyjqHeS by moelassus@mastodon.social
2025-05-21T13:56:56Z
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@futurebird It looks like the type of crown youâd get in a cheap King Halloween costume. You know, the flammable kind. Or perhaps itâs a toy from a McDonalds kiddie meal.
(DIR) Post #AyfpeWZBKktfjXBNJo by eowyn@pouet.chapril.org
2025-09-28T18:50:42Z
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@futurebird looks fake
(DIR) Post #AyfptigAa6CrdzhFzc by realtegan@wandering.shop
2025-09-28T18:53:25Z
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@futurebird I think I prefer the paper hats we used to get at Burger King.This is... well preserved but hideous.
(DIR) Post #AyfpxEbmKGE3XVJpPk by sinituulia@eldritch.cafe
2025-09-28T18:54:03Z
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@futurebird Just completely off the top of my head I can recall seeing crowns, headdresses and such from the 1200s equivalent of Persia, China and Japan with much finer gold-smithing, and maybe better cut gems? But also it just looks a bit clumsy and like the stones poke out instead of being integrated at all. Sorry to the original artisans, but it looks a bit like somebody got told to make a crown out of sheet brass and party jewellery for a LARP. đ
(DIR) Post #AyfpzAsFBIhMXJwfjs by dlakelan@mastodon.sdf.org
2025-09-28T18:53:53Z
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@futurebirdGood kind wenceslas looked out on his feets uneven... As the snoo lay roundabout, his crown like a child's fever dream...
(DIR) Post #Ayfq3ws8fOUaYiAlfc by moira@mastodon.murkworks.net
2025-09-28T18:55:17Z
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@futurebird Oh no, you're absolutely not. All the "beauty" that exists in them is, as far as I can tell, extravagant exhibition of wealth.Mostly they look like bullshit. Fake, even. This looks like costume jewellery and brass.I will say that the old Scottish crown jewels look a lot better than this, but goddamn, that's a low bar.
(DIR) Post #Ayfq7ommfooSdbVse0 by sinituulia@eldritch.cafe
2025-09-28T18:55:30Z
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@futurebird It's not like people of the past didn't know how to make nice things with very rudimentary supplies! The Lascaux cave paintings are literally dirt on rock and they're elegant, dynamic and expressive!
(DIR) Post #Ayfq9tkRCAaMbgPKOe by RiaResists@mastodon.social
2025-09-28T18:56:20Z
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@futurebird A bit gaudy.
(DIR) Post #AyfqCTVPDjdA5ObaBE by mensrea@freeradical.zone
2025-09-28T18:56:48Z
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@futurebird replace "beautiful" with "expensive" and it makes more sense
(DIR) Post #AyfqDwf8IkTwnur8TY by abetterjulie@wandering.shop
2025-09-28T18:57:02Z
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@futurebird hideous
(DIR) Post #AyfqHmNIUbdA3WLFia by rwv37@mastodon.social
2025-09-28T18:57:45Z
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@futurebird It's a crown made for radio!
(DIR) Post #AyfqJk4k0pHHVIb9jU by nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social
2025-09-28T18:58:06Z
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@futurebird No, this was specifically designed to be gaudy and not even hiding it. It was just to show off "hey, look how many precious gemstones We can afford to have put into this thing to show off how rich We are when we use other people's money to buy things."
(DIR) Post #AyfqRFEOZgIM9tgvq4 by CStamp@mastodon.social
2025-09-28T18:59:28Z
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@futurebird No, you are just choosing not to be a sycophant. It IS ugly. Maybe they are looking at things like craftsmanship or quality of metals and jewels.I remember looking at a really boring-looking photo once that was getting accolades. I think it was from the 60s or 70s. I then learned about the actual processing, which was really cool, and gave a frame of reference to those who admired the thing.
(DIR) Post #AyfqjKrqMEvcqrllSa by FaithfullJohn@mastodon.scot
2025-09-28T19:02:45Z
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@futurebird đ You are quite correct. But I like the gemstones because of their age, and the sources and cutting/polishing technology available then đ. They'd probably look better loose, rather than mounted in that crown though.
(DIR) Post #AyfsitCxOXFsyYYmqO by Phosphorous@zirk.us
2025-09-28T19:25:04Z
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@futurebird This works if its a 14th century kindergarten project. There was a child-like enthusiasm in its construction.
(DIR) Post #Ayft2qoI1H7bKYXZGy by tkinias@historians.social
2025-09-28T19:28:42Z
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@futurebird LOL, Iâm increasingly getting to the point where Iâd be happy with âheâs handsome if seen from a distance in dim lighting.â
(DIR) Post #Ayft8HYK1FaXicf4fg by wifsten@mas.to
2025-09-28T19:29:40Z
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@futurebird :ablobjoy:
(DIR) Post #AyftQXxdkgSHoxDHIO by tkinias@historians.social
2025-09-28T19:32:58Z
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@futurebird Honestly, I think itâs fair to call it tackyâbecause you look at that design and all itâs doing is showing off âlook what big gems I have!â People were capable of much more subtle and sophisticated work in that time period; they just chose not to do it here.
(DIR) Post #AyhUKqGgfF4AKAE1Fg by jepyang@wandering.shop
2025-09-29T14:01:13Z
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@futurebird @infernusgoatus literally thought this was a childâs craft project made with gold construction paper and hot-glued candies
(DIR) Post #AynPqPedoZoiEBQKhc by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-10-02T10:39:12Z
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OMG.YOU can own a copy of the ugly hat for just $2500! I am flummoxed and when I feel this way I know that I must study. I need to understand why people like this thing. I need to know if it was the inspiration for the paper Burger King's crowns. There is something about kingship and power that eludes my comprehension here at a very deep level.I must go deeper. I must dissect. https://www.etsy.com/listing/1707762812/13th-century-saint-wenceslas-crown
(DIR) Post #AynQGeR5Tqi5bIayxc by jenesuispasgoth@pouet.chapril.org
2025-10-02T10:40:41Z
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@futurebird this item is unavailable in my region, so I don't know what you're pointing at. :(
(DIR) Post #AynQGfwJtDHsGSDRHU by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-10-02T10:43:55Z
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@jenesuispasgoth It's a replica I assume although I don't think the listing makes this clear enough.
(DIR) Post #AynS9YVzIPGT7OdEsC by sheilaschaefer60@mastodon.social
2025-10-02T11:05:02Z
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@futurebird well itâs on sale, so thereâs thatđ«€
(DIR) Post #AynTgoeiPDUIgk8bR2 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-10-02T11:22:17Z
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@CppGuy That's odd. It didn't say that to me. I have all the ads blocked and don't see any... but I'm also logged into etsy so maybe that's why.
(DIR) Post #AynVx5ogZO4ISAgrvE by epicdemiologist@wandering.shop
2025-10-02T11:47:37Z
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@futurebird It really does give Burger King, doesn't it?
(DIR) Post #AynWkjDuqPY8rT9xwW by Nicovel0@mastodon.social
2025-10-02T11:56:34Z
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@futurebird it looks like a crown designed by a 9 year old
(DIR) Post #AynaE6y1wbYWlIQqBM by catmisgivings@stranger.social
2025-10-02T12:35:27Z
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@futurebird you know, Halloween is coming upIf you're into it, you could dress as King Wenceslas and feel what it's like to embody that magnificent getup
(DIR) Post #AynyM0O0h4nFZGsfPU by skip_lacaze@sfba.social
2025-10-02T17:05:52Z
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@futurebird @jenesuispasgoth âJewelry style: Mid-centuryâThis is exactly what I would want to wear while sitting in my Eames lounge chair listening to âTake Fiveâ on my Hi-Fi.