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(DIR) Post #AtB0GgpeIda7ilEz9U by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-17T08:33:03Z
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I understand why no one wants to do it. But there needs to be a non-profit, independent, ad-free social media option for young people.No one wants the moderation and safety responsibilities of running such a network. And I just said "no ads" (and no datamining, you ghouls) so this is the polar opposite of profitable. But, young people deserve a safe place online. "just lie and say you're 15" is a bad "solution."With the right legal framework these networks could be run through schools.
(DIR) Post #AtB0VOrzMhLcM7LjPs by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-17T08:35:45Z
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Are you still thinking of all the things that could go wrong? Good!I assure you that hoping young people have parents who help them use the internet in safe ways (and not too soon or too much) leaves a LOT of kids vulnerable. And "kids just shouldn't be online" is also not a solution. Part of the reason online spaces are so toxic for adults is we just won't THINK about this or teach anything and expect people to "get it" without any education.
(DIR) Post #AtB1xYk8LkXp2WfOG8 by KraftTea@mastodon.social
2025-04-17T08:52:00Z
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@futurebird So what you're saying then is that open source needs something like a modern, decentralized version of LiveJournal...Um... do you honestly believe that LiveJournal wasn't profitable without ads?! Nope! It actually grew faster and sold more paid memberships without them! 🤣
(DIR) Post #AtB1yW69fWDT7uQJH6 by bencurthoys@mastodon.social
2025-04-17T08:52:05Z
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@futurebird I thought for 5 minutes about suggesting to my older daughter's school (of which I am a Governor) that they run a Mastodon instance. But they wouldn't just need a legal framework, they'd need full time funding for several staff members.
(DIR) Post #AtB2rdIMc1ItNHPoCe by KraftTea@mastodon.social
2025-04-17T09:02:09Z
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@futurebird "with the right legal framework..."If you make it open source and decentralized, you won't need to worry as much about the legal framework. LJ actually did have teachers and classes using it, as well as journalists, artists, professional cartoonists, etc. Of course you get the same potential problems as Mastodon, but you also get the same potential solutions. And honestly, Mastodon is hardly ideally optimized as far as moderation is concerned.
(DIR) Post #AtB4zZMnInGDPoOqmG by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-17T09:26:00Z
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@FrazzledBrynn I learned so much from participating in usenet groups & AOL forums. Livejournal was also a good place for me. In every case I lied about my age. That was "just how it was."I also went to some very bad places online out of curiosity when I was too young to be there. Saw things like gore videos and felt like there was something wrong with *me* because they upset me. There was(is?) whole internet culture of "being upset by horrible things is for babies" and being 14 I bought in.
(DIR) Post #AtB5D7A4xsCdzcuYa0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-17T09:28:29Z
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@FrazzledBrynn But, I had adults in my life providing some supervision and guidance. And the internet was arguably safer and less exploitative when I was online as a child. Things have not gotten better. Do you talk to your kids in an open non-judgemental way about what they do online? If they encountered something or someone who hurt them or tried to exploit them do they know they can talk to you and not "get in trouble?"I don't envy parents. No one is making this easier for them.
(DIR) Post #AtB6ZHCIQsQ9RY50TY by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-17T09:43:41Z
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@FrazzledBrynn And while I know kids will always seek out the "forbidden" and even think doing that once or twice is a part of growing up and finding your own boundaries. The fact that I had to lie about my age and technically didn't belong on mostly safe and wholesome online spaces I enjoyed immensely made me less daunted by the "over 18 ONLY" warnings on places where I probably didn't need (or want) to go. I just learned that such warnings mean nothing. That's not good.
(DIR) Post #AtB6qTXlmYzoeqKCwa by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-17T09:46:39Z
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@KarlHeinzHasliP I love this idea and have been working to get the other teachers on board with this idea at my school. I'd rather have our students posting about their field hockey wins and fun drawings on the school LAN than on instagram or some discord with... who knows who is on there. But, there are many things that discourage schools from making such networks. And many adults just don't care or think it's important. So, students flock to corporate sites.
(DIR) Post #AtB7Lain94zTtdJkR6 by clarablackink@writing.exchange
2025-04-17T09:52:22Z
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@futurebird @FrazzledBrynn I think the note about having non parent adults who are mature about how they treated you is really important.I *hate* how much that people my age actively despise children. It makes me so sad for kids that they're surrounded by adults who can't understand or empathize with the fact that kids need environments that support their development into adults by not hating them during development.It's like a combination of ableism and ageism.
(DIR) Post #AtBIVDY9FccIQF8Eim by LovesTha@floss.social
2025-04-17T11:57:22Z
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@futurebird I would like governments to mandate and fund (and probably centrally do the non-moderation side of hosting) some federated social media site.Scaling the federation with student year would be good. Start kids out where they can only see their immediate class, then a year or two later they can see the whole year level, then later the whole school and finally the whole education department.
(DIR) Post #AtBIh017OJXjvUIgE4 by guyjantic@infosec.exchange
2025-04-17T11:59:30Z
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@futurebird This is such an idea. Instead, schools invest in "online solutions" and "innovative platforms" that students are required to use and give their personal details to, and about twice a year I get a "so sorry" email from my kid's school about a data breach from one of these things.
(DIR) Post #AtBLv4VTnM4Lldu4em by InkySchwartz@mastodon.social
2025-04-17T12:35:39Z
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@futurebird I just had a conversation with my wife about this because both of these posts are right. And I talked about what could be done and what the issues were and how I could make things work. But in the end I basically would be me running a masto instance with a few arms for a few hundred kids all by myself. And I do not have the time, knowledge, or ability to do any of that.But the need is still there.
(DIR) Post #AtBMsFW2VVZYzrNpPk by jollyorc@social.5f9.de
2025-04-17T12:46:20Z
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@futurebird @KarlHeinzHasliP when I was working on darcy.is, schools were one of the main target groups. For all those reasons. The idea was that schools would each host their own social network that could participate in some ways in the greater ones, and when a student leaves school, they would take their account and data with them to wherever they go next. Alas, no funding, because I am bad at convincing money people.
(DIR) Post #AtCMBoyYzCQDgESCJs by DEDGirl@mastodon.world
2025-04-18T00:13:23Z
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@futurebird YES!! 🙌
(DIR) Post #AtCNu2yyN42FohIWK8 by gooba42@mastodon.social
2025-04-18T00:32:36Z
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@futurebird I've shared with my kids that the reason they can't have their own Steam account or other services is because it's illegal in the USA to traffic in the personal data of people under 13.Nobody wants to let younger kids participate because they can't sell the kids' data like they can with the adults.The safety and security stuff is doable but the fact that you can't betray their privacy is the reason nobody bothers.