Post At71GD5PdF60FserOS by hakona@im.alstadheim.no
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(DIR) Post #At6z5cm5aDmQpfRbpw by Lana@beige.party
2025-04-14T16:50:00Z
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Anyone who has been saying we are "on the road" to fascism can stop that shit now. The road is behind us. We're putting American citizens in concentration camps now. https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmrx6b2gxy2f
(DIR) Post #At6z5dzF4ntaakbcye by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-15T10:01:00Z
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@Lana It really frustrates me how tagging people with visceral images of evil "push people into subways" or "hit old woman with a baseball bat" however serious these claims might be remains an effective way to short circuit the ability of many Americans to reason. "No one should have their liberty violated by the state without a trial.""Yes, obviously.""Except for these Really Bad Dudes(tm) who I claim have done unspeakable evil""That is so evil I will forget everything!"
(DIR) Post #At6zLdspEGBwu7EVhQ by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-15T10:03:57Z
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@Lana And so much of the outrage at these often imaginary often racist and folklore like "evil acts" is ... performative. I'm reminded of the kind of guy who boasts all of the time about the terrible things he wants to do "rapists" -- the kind of guy who describes in detail the horrible torture he'd inflict on "rapists" --He loves women so much, right?Or does he love torture so much?And when you point out that due process matters, YOU get called a monster for not sharing their bloodlust.
(DIR) Post #At6zjcFCyT3Elr8Mtc by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-15T10:08:16Z
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@Lana This whole mentality that if you aren't thrown into a state of rage that would make it easy to ignore the steps required to even know if you have the person who committed the crime (if there even was a real crime) is a sign that you don't really care about women or children or their safety. I don't want anyone to be tortured. Not even the most evil people you can imagine. More human suffering is simply more human suffering. Nothing is undone by vengeance. Is this radical?
(DIR) Post #At6zrOAxAI2lSEqmBM by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-15T10:09:40Z
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@Gustodon Exactly.
(DIR) Post #At705Cg4i9YfqdziXA by CoveterOfJews
2025-04-15T10:12:15.743395Z
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@Lana Lol get blocked.
(DIR) Post #At70VhJtPH3YPdFhZ2 by capnthommo@c.im
2025-04-15T10:16:56Z
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@futurebird @Lana yes. Just as the law applies to even the highest, even the president/prime minister it applies to the other end of the spectrum. It applies to all or to none.
(DIR) Post #At70dVdSjUIKUU8AGO by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-15T10:18:23Z
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@Lana This isn't "empathy" it's a desire to actually know what happened and act in accordance with reality not the emotional urges evoked by tales of upsetting crimes. If there are "really bad dudes" we should find them and know exactly who they are and stop them from acting again. But as things are going we'll need to keep waiting for them to deny the rights of a person with enough means and social network to make the public emotional enough to stop this. This sucks.
(DIR) Post #At70en0vbb0Og8iWJ6 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-15T10:18:37Z
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@Lana My neighbor in the Bronx has been snatched away without reason. But they don't speak English and aren't wealthy and it feels like no one is listening. (Sorry for ranting.)
(DIR) Post #At71GD5PdF60FserOS by hakona@im.alstadheim.no
2025-04-15T10:25:08Z
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@futurebird Those dudes are too emotional to be running a hot-dog-stand, let alone a country. @Lana
(DIR) Post #At71qVr3KS78tCFg1o by lienrag@mastodon.tedomum.net
2025-04-15T10:31:52Z
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@futurebirdWell, there clearly are very bad dudes in the current administration.And I think that we perfectly know who they are. @Lana
(DIR) Post #At74vsYWeaGmbdpuvQ by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-15T11:06:25Z
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@MxSpoon @Lana I'm disturbed by the aparent need to prove to others how outraged they are by obviously bad things. To me that's a given? You aren't remarkable. Does that make any sense. Consider someone going on and on about "Throwing kittens in the river is evil, trowing kittens in the cold river water is wrong!" you start to wonder if *they* aren't the one throwing the kittens. Yes, we all get it. It's horrible. This rhetoric seems to work for some people. And, I *don't* get that.
(DIR) Post #At7551C7u8Fo0MiXEO by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-15T11:08:06Z
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@nini @Lana This is exactly the impression I get. Men who boast constantly about the violence they would inflict on those who harm women ... they mostly scare me. They don't make me feel safe at all.
(DIR) Post #At75GKpNFXAc55THEG by sovietfish@todon.eu
2025-04-15T11:10:10Z
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@futurebird @Lana that's so scary!!
(DIR) Post #At79fivTBnRJsQgTyq by Susan60@aus.social
2025-04-15T11:59:34Z
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@futurebird @Lana š©Words fail me.
(DIR) Post #At7C2xmaJncmWTjn3Q by alexanderhay@mastodon.social
2025-04-15T12:26:11Z
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@futurebird @Lana Serial killers, nonces and other abominations hide in plain sight. Which is why I am always on my guard around the righteous populist sadists of the world.
(DIR) Post #At7KKOgCMu7yUyZg80 by quietewe@urbanists.social
2025-04-15T13:58:58Z
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@futurebird @Lana Iām pretty vocal about my history of CSA. Even well-meaning people often need me to be likeā¦ āhey, you responded to my experience of violence by wanting to inflict more violence, do you think that helps me? Do you think more violence will make me feel safer?ā Most of them get it. These guys tend to 180 and accuse me of deserving it, bc the violence is the point to them. But so many reasonable people default to that violence, too. Itās cultural IMO.
(DIR) Post #At7LoGzzacQNJpdume by michael_w_busch@mastodon.online
2025-04-15T14:15:36Z
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@futurebird @Lana I was briefly confused by what was supposed to be criminal or evil about "pushing people into subways", versus just a nuisance on crowded mass transit.But then I reminded myself that facts, logic, and consistency have never been things that concern authoritarians.Power and using it to inflict cruelty are.
(DIR) Post #At7R7Ajlau0zAgstc0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-15T15:15:04Z
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@quietewe @Lana Thank you.
(DIR) Post #At7T6d9ceeZOvLqcYS by flesh@thicc.horse
2025-04-15T15:37:18Z
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@futurebird @Lana Personally, I feel like they're more likely to rant about torturing pedophiles. Which, A) makes for better cover of sheer moral disgust and B) *conveniently* is wide enough a term they can fit anyone they hate under of they bend the words a little.
(DIR) Post #At7TbFLdDRw04E40mW by indieterminacy@social.coop
2025-04-15T15:42:51Z
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@futurebird @Lana Id assume that there are many violent and cruel people who suffer immeasurably as a consequence of having to participate in the slow moving cogs that judicial accountability requires.
(DIR) Post #At7YJhYg5i5U7PcSTA by Phosphenes@mastodon.social
2025-04-15T16:34:22Z
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@quietewe @futurebird @Lana What is CSA?
(DIR) Post #At7YJiMJ7BmobKq5pI by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-15T16:35:44Z
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@Phosphenes Child Sexual Assault/Abuse
(DIR) Post #At7poFoazKq8GwDdoG by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-15T19:51:45Z
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@silverfish @Lana I couldn't enjoy 2 because after the first few moments it would slowly start to eat at me. Then *I* end up feeling guilty and bad about someone suffering. Because stripped of the ability to do more harm and suffering they'd just seem sad. It would be very amusing to see how angry and shocked they'd be. But that's all you get that's worth it and then the knowledge that you could have done a better job for everyone with the other choice. I don't think it's that hard.
(DIR) Post #At7px1RhmXlUJTh2em by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-15T19:53:21Z
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@silverfish @Lana Also, being peaceful and surrounded by loves ones isn't a given for some of these men and I think that's part of the problem? Being happy can be a terrible thing if you have been a terrible person. It might allow them to catch a glimpse of who they were. In a way 1 is also a kind of punishment.
(DIR) Post #At7rNTk5IaxnYYT9fs by xilebo@norden.social
2025-04-15T20:09:17Z
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@futurebirdI totally agree. And it often feels very lonely, i often feel very exposed, when i'm the only one who openly disagrees with those torture fantasies.So, thank you for that rant. It makes me feel less alone with that point of view.@Lana
(DIR) Post #AtK99OtDG78w3Y973o by lienrag@mastodon.tedomum.net
2025-04-21T18:24:51Z
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@futurebird In the Walking Dead comic book there are two occasions where the heroes meet very evil antagonists, and finally defeat them. And then proceed to torture the evil guys barbarically, not even as deterrence - which I could understand as a "dire times require dire solutions" ethical debate - but purely as revenge since they do that in secret.And yet they are clearly presented as the good ones afterwards.@Lana