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(DIR) Post #At4xOZFMKs2DAV7WeO by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-14T10:32:38Z
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Everything made by AI looks like the lobby of the 3rd worst casino. So deeply tacky.Imagine the guy who hangs up one of those fake AI "schematic" drawings of a fictional spaceship on his wall. From a distance you get a little excited to look at the diagram and see all of the compartments and machine systems.But, when you look more closely none of it makes sense. It's a fake impression of curiosity, creativity, imagination. Plastic gold-plated pastiche of "I'm creative & have ideas"
(DIR) Post #At4y2egvVnd5dc887k by tuban_muzuru@ohai.social
2025-04-14T10:39:49Z
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@futurebird That's mostly a problem of crappy source material. To me, the crap looks like poster art from the late 60s, early 70s. If you want to see the paragon of bad taste, look at what is routinely sold to teenagers.
(DIR) Post #At4yszWVIwPlIzD7tg by per_sonne@ciberlandia.pt
2025-04-14T10:49:17Z
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@futurebird The Mar-a-Lago Aesthetic.
(DIR) Post #At4z6WLsYlR0szgzJo by NatureMC@mastodon.online
2025-04-14T10:51:44Z
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@futurebird "It's a fake impression of curiosity, creativity, imagination."It's even less - it's a sawdust hamburger dunked in mud when you had ordered a delicious Boeuf Bourgignon with a Chateau Petrus. đ #AIImage #LLM #generativeAI
(DIR) Post #At4zC6RrmToMHl9egi by rayhindle@mastodon.social
2025-04-14T10:52:44Z
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@futurebird The original and what AI generated from the description.
(DIR) Post #At50uz6k1JYoVJErJo by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-14T11:12:06Z
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I think the fact that it's tacky explains why it won't go away. Tacky stuff has always been around, there are always people who will tolerate, or even want tacky things. (And for each of us there is something we like that someone who knows a bit more about that kind of object would find tacky. The concept is relative.)I guess what's new with AI images is they can only ever be tacky. They can only ever be attempts to imitate something better.
(DIR) Post #At5177QEvtyzlY937A by crypticcelery@chaos.social
2025-04-14T11:14:16Z
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@futurebird feels very on point. It is a statistical summary of real creativity, fine-tuned to be a passing veneer of the actual thing.
(DIR) Post #At51OIju6pW5mwXI7k by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-14T11:17:24Z
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When a person tries to make an image, most of the time the result is bad. It could be technically incompetent, incomprehensible. AI has technical competence and is comprehensible in a general way. A drawing of a dog looks like a dog. The fur looks like fur. And everyone is so impressed with meeting this low bar because it's hard to do for artists. But, once you get past that low level it all falls apart. It doesn't have any reason to exist except to exhibit stolen technical competence.
(DIR) Post #At51lWv1Ya2CQQoVNY by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-14T11:21:34Z
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And all of those impressions of competence are stolen. Take the fake Ghibli images. Ghibli uses these realistic muted color pallets. The AI copies use the same kind of colors together, it looks more sophisticated than when someone new to drawing attempts pick colors. The outlines are from another pallet, and simply using colored outlines on your drawing that better match the fill color can make them less cartoony and more realistic. There are all of these technical tricks that make the style.
(DIR) Post #At51oc6IkNXnMiYhyS by max@med-mastodon.com
2025-04-14T11:22:07Z
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@futurebird "beware the poet who is more interested in being a poet than writing poetry"
(DIR) Post #At51zbWPEw40kt0fi4 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-14T11:24:08Z
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But finding your way to using these techniques teaches you a lot about how your see the world... Just using a pre-packaged color pallet isn't the same as struggling to develop it yourself. And in doing so you realize how light bounces off of everything, how that creates natural harmonies in the things you see with your eyes. I remember realizing that the sidewalk in NYC on a bright day was really a very light shade of neon purple! I stopped using gray and used purple and it worked.
(DIR) Post #At52YEe6HevbwU7dHU by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-14T11:30:24Z
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But, part of why making the sidewalk purple worked was due to the orange deep red of the bricks in the buildings. A eyedropper on a photograph couldn't tell me this secret. It's something the eye sees but a camera would miss. And maybe I'll make an image someday that get reproduced so often it gets stuck in the pattern recognition of these systems. Where it'll be applied without any logic. Or maybe I'll never make anything that popular. But, I still know that sidewalks are really purple.
(DIR) Post #At52hxYyeS7drDMYVs by alec@perkins.pub
2025-04-14T11:31:51Z
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@futurebird an interesting related thread from @PavelASamsonov on Bluesky about how AI is right wing. And Iâll add that tackiness and poor taste is a common trait in fascists, because they generally are mediocre and crave undeserved approval. https://bsky.app/profile/spavel.bsky.social/post/3lmptjg4frc2h
(DIR) Post #At52mxoHA4YY4Qu9Oi by jmax@mastodon.social
2025-04-14T11:33:02Z
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@futurebird - This is a general property of AI. I code for a living; AI generated code has the same sort of superficial plausibility over utter shallowness and lack of understanding.
(DIR) Post #At52qegkCFbDvO8rx2 by InkySchwartz@mastodon.social
2025-04-14T11:33:42Z
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@futurebird Art is hard, and that's ok. It means when it works it's an achievement.
(DIR) Post #At52rbKo9S6poRKgS0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-14T11:33:54Z
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I'm legit starting to hate "pretty" color pallets because of this.When I see an image with nice contrasts, nice compliments and highlights just like when you see too many Christmas decorations too late in January it's off putting.
(DIR) Post #At53hhlPUeb8oIcXLs by suetanvil@freeradical.zone
2025-04-14T11:43:16Z
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@futurebird I do think that AI images and writing will eventually become a major signifier of scammy, low-effort, fly-by-night businesses. But then, I'm an optimist.
(DIR) Post #At53kbOxbVapwnV9Lk by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-14T11:43:49Z
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My mom and I loved to drive around the leafy suburb where I grew up and be horribly judgmental about everyoneâs Christmas decorations. We never decorated our house at all, so this counts as a vice I suppose. But, it was interesting to compare year to year. In the late 80s multi-colored lights were a sign of deep moral decay. Real pine bows and gold-tone lights were correct. We argued about the merits of blinking vs. twinkling lights. I insisted only âslow winkâ patterns were acceptable. 1/
(DIR) Post #At54I1siAoXNd5MAO8 by wa7iut@mastodon.radio
2025-04-14T11:49:38Z
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@futurebird When I was a kid we lived out west where there werenât many trees. I remember as a Cub Scout project spray painting tumble weeds silver and gold.
(DIR) Post #At54cay7QhRgF4gzKa by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-14T11:53:34Z
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For a few years I became convinced that string lights were unacceptable in *any* color. The only correct decoration: pine wreaths in each window & a single electric candle. I agonized over the matter of simulated candle flicker.In the 90s blue âpulseâ lights outlining the rooflines drove an aesthetic wedge between me and my motherâ she was still not amused to see colored lights. I thought the effect (which made the houses look like 3D armatures) was so striking it justified the tackyness. 2/
(DIR) Post #At552Ajla2L2PqAv9U by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-14T11:58:14Z
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Then a strange thing happened. In the 00s there was an inversionâ a realignment of aesthetic camps. Suddenly understated golden lights were tackyâ the very bulbous colorful lights weâd hated the most were âcorrectâ â it was as if too many people got the memo about colorful lights being âoutâ now just having boring gold twinkle lights seemed lazy and ugly. There is a point to this long storyâ thatâs what AI is ⌠the last one to catch on to every fadâ but nonetheless chasing every fad. 3/3
(DIR) Post #At55EqOgW0VD64MBPs by PalmAndNeedle@norden.social
2025-04-14T12:00:25Z
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@futurebird counterpoint: PISS is dumb. It has no technical proficiency. Because it's the lowest common denominator on everything. Most people don't know what the funky spinning rods on the wheels of steam locomotives are for. So most artists drawing locomotives get it wrong. But PISS always gets it wrong. To a degree that is sickening. I have yet to see a PISS generated image of a steam locomotive or a sailing ship that wasn't utterly insulting garbĂĄge.
(DIR) Post #At55Hda0ctM2DHzAaO by misterscience@mastodon.world
2025-04-14T12:00:58Z
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@futurebird Speaking of purple... https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a64393667/purple-is-fake/
(DIR) Post #At55lEjhYiQrqjdJxI by funkula@goblin.camp
2025-04-14T12:06:16Z
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@futurebird very funny to read this because my family did the same thing of annual viewing and judging of other people's displays. I don't think we ever condemned string lights, it was representational art instead of abstract that attracted our derision. In particular I remember a house that had a huge plot of land and covered it with dozens of painted plywood standups, mostly of every Disney character imaginable. There was also a house with wire lighted sculptures of Elvis and associated imagery: a pink Cadillac, a hound dog, and so forth. The ideal decoration from our perspective was the courthouse in Marshall, Texas, which we visited every year because the civic display inspired lots of people in the city to try something ambitious themselves
(DIR) Post #At56qMDLHbXGRcVFLc by huxley@mstdn.social
2025-04-14T12:18:27Z
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@futurebird I wonder what John Berger or Susan Sontag would make of AI.Berger would probably have written a book about it called something like "Art in the age of simulacrums".
(DIR) Post #At57ddzVyeIRlhXM4e by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-14T12:27:24Z
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I want to circle back and underline the concept of âthe third worst casinoâ â I realize it would be easy to confuse this with the âthird best casinoâ but itâs not that AI fails to be remarkable (most things that claim to be art do!) no this is a deeper more disappointing mediocrityâ âthird worstâ because in shabbiness and tawdry fakery itâs not even there exemplary. If itâs memorable at all itâs down to some unintentional uncanny qualityâ but mostly it is aggressively forgettable.
(DIR) Post #At59kXgK2BKU8QycwS by alec@perkins.pub
2025-04-14T12:50:58Z
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@futurebird oooh I like this observation. Fad chasing is fundamental to AI tools since they are necessarily trained on existing material, often several years out of date.
(DIR) Post #At5A1IgF3tcYX3vjZA by JamesTDG@mastodon.world
2025-04-14T12:54:02Z
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@futurebird exactly, I like to be able to absorb the finer details of a work, and anything that is AI generated, will forever lack that
(DIR) Post #At5GRWJZajr04ZDG40 by morgan@sfba.social
2025-04-14T14:06:01Z
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@futurebird https://mastodon.social/@georgebaily/114325075221188325
(DIR) Post #At5HSroXF6yWzmtw1o by QxZorg@ieji.de
2025-04-14T14:17:28Z
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@futurebird True
(DIR) Post #At5IvgJNBitFfmd3jc by Aydin_@mastodon.social
2025-04-14T14:33:52Z
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(DIR) Post #At5KHCnXhNhSSoZGe8 by Catarina@masto.pt
2025-04-14T14:48:58Z
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@futurebird this reminds me of seeing more and more people using AI generated images in their slide presentations, and already to me those feel as tacky as the clipart illustrations that come with PowerPoint
(DIR) Post #At5L2WpR2kXsCK1CwC by akashwable99@mstdn.social
2025-04-14T14:57:33Z
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(DIR) Post #At5Q8e5NTRgGDJDBJI by PavelASamsonov@mastodon.social
2025-04-14T15:54:39Z
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@futurebird Like the old quote about "who is this clown" being such a cutting insult because not only are you being called a clown, but not even one of the better known clowns
(DIR) Post #At5Qb3jfhZGdsEbj6W by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-14T15:59:49Z
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@jeffzugale Yeah. But I do take some comfort in the fact that the only times an âAI artworkâ has caused a buzz and gotten people excited has always been because the AI made some uncanny mistake.There are people using AI to try to snag eyeballs with cute animals and sad childrenâ but, is there *anyone* who sincerely has an AI image hung on their wall because itâs their favorite artwork? Because that one image really spoke to them?
(DIR) Post #At5SI2jjOLqhBJhBNA by david@fouroclockfarms.club
2025-04-14T16:18:02Z
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@Wyatt_H_Knott @futurebird Been reading âImmense Worldâ by Ed Yong and itâs such a good explainer of the senses . Including color.
(DIR) Post #At5UgZkWVDJEQXtLdY by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-14T16:45:38Z
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@Wyatt_H_Knott Why do our brains put color in a circle when in terms of wavelengths when red has long wavelengths and blue has short ones? Seems sus.
(DIR) Post #At5UoPAVj3H7vamRyi by AnneOfGreenCables@noc.social
2025-04-14T16:26:37Z
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@david @Wyatt_H_Knott @futurebird I love that book! Seconding the recommendation for this (and anything Ed Yong writes, really.)
(DIR) Post #At5UoQQ94PNLoN6RzE by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-14T16:47:02Z
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@AnneOfGreenCables @david @Wyatt_H_Knott I will third this recommendation of all the nonfiction I have read in the past 5 years it had the biggest impactâ up there with âvoyage of the beagleâ for me personallyâ
(DIR) Post #At5Vt37BFRm0vp08S8 by renedario@fosstodon.org
2025-04-14T16:59:06Z
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@futurebird Superb critique. This is exactly how I would have liked to have said this myself. Kudos.
(DIR) Post #At5Zrh91qZUUJrTXOa by jstevenyork@mastodon.social
2025-04-14T17:43:39Z
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@futurebird Dead on! When I see someone using AI in ads, for example, my immediate impression is, these people don't give a shit and are half-assing it. Minimal effort. They don't care and neither do I. D-
(DIR) Post #At5umBpsvHLio3jm0u by Luna@mastodon.world
2025-04-14T21:37:57Z
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@futurebird AI art always looks off.
(DIR) Post #At5xjBlF2pEJZGpGzo by lufthans@mastodon.social
2025-04-14T22:11:02Z
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@futurebird @jeffzugale "people using AI to try to snag eyeballs [from] cute animals and sad children"Had to reread to see if AI is grabbing the eyeballs of cute animals and sad children or grabbing eyeballs cute animals and sad children are holding"people using AI to try to snag eyeballs with cute animals and sad children"Ah, using cute animals and small children to grab eyeballs from othersNow we can imagine AI using cute animal and small children finger puppets to reach for eyeballs
(DIR) Post #At68AB6oZlveuEQPCa by IngaLovinde@embracing.space
2025-04-15T00:07:56Z
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@futurebird "third worst casino" has a danger to it, reminds me of that joke about how in a running competition, Brezhnev won the silver medal, while Nixon was second worst.
(DIR) Post #At6C1B6pbaXS7KOeTw by NonPlayableClown@postnstuffds.lol
2025-04-15T00:51:14.974626Z
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>It's a fake impression of curiosity, creativity, imagination.