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(DIR) Post #At3B7O0TsmCUQYwWC8 by stux@mstdn.social
2025-04-13T13:56:54Z
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Jokes aside, why are many American homes build so woody? Cheaper to replace afterwards or?
(DIR) Post #At3BKFRf1eVNdemyi8 by Moriel@mstdn.social
2025-04-13T13:59:19Z
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@stux American here. I'm not even sure what the alternative is. Bricks? In any event the culture of disposable goods has infected even our housing market. Ever since the 80's houses really aren't built to last any more. They are expected to have a 40-50 year life span and then be torn down and replaced.
(DIR) Post #At3BV6K9HJNgXFRywC by nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social
2025-04-13T14:01:11Z
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@stux Probably started off cheapness and availability of materials, but one thing I see a lot of and what I suspect is the biggest thing going on here is that it became traditional. Long-running building codes and etc starting off one way and just never really truly adapting to change all that much.
(DIR) Post #At3BVmPEomPL3C9dhY by stux@mstdn.social
2025-04-13T14:01:23Z
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@Moriel oh yes!My parents build our home before i was born, and the default here is:Reinforced concrete fundation with at least 2 brick walls, inner and outer with stuff to isolate warmth and colth etcOn top there are againr einforced concrede floors for the next level
(DIR) Post #At3BapQT1AMzre8XZY by syntaxseed@phpc.social
2025-04-13T14:02:11Z
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@stux Huge supply of lumber in North America and I think wood frame homes with insulation are easier to heat in the winter.They sure are flammable though. 😬
(DIR) Post #At3BfbLOniC5de2flg by drsbaitso@infosec.exchange
2025-04-13T14:03:09Z
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@stux Yea, cheap, fast, and easy to build. We've got easy access to lumber, and plenty of land to spread single-story, single-family homes on.HUGE boom in the 40s and 50s with vets & the GI bill meant we needed a LOT of houses very, very quickly.
(DIR) Post #At3Bg1KECghqDXh6YK by stux@mstdn.social
2025-04-13T14:03:13Z
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@Moriel These are the outer walls alone and we do not get any tornadoes etc
(DIR) Post #At3BsMIE4Wecirdo8m by stux@mstdn.social
2025-04-13T14:05:27Z
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Found a quick little example of how I know walls are build here, at least this is how we use to build them when i was working constructionAn inner wall, islation for heat and outer wallOfc this isn't useful for walls inside the house These are also connected with simple metal pins every x cm
(DIR) Post #At3C8aje8yKs9ECuY4 by nhgeek@mastodon.social
2025-04-13T14:08:18Z
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@stux wood is abundant, it is faster, etc., and therefore more "economical" in the eyes of many. Building codes have also codified a long habit of this form of construction.
(DIR) Post #At3CCdRa101XhsgWjg by stux@mstdn.social
2025-04-13T14:09:08Z
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@nhgeek Hmm i wonder how many tornadoes it costs when the price exceeds the bricks 🤔 I mean.. one would build for stability rather then cost right
(DIR) Post #At3CIj75qgEn1o0VHc by Frieke72@mastodon.social
2025-04-13T14:10:13Z
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@stux @Moriel and the other kind is concrete prefab construction with deco bricklike look or brick wall for the looks.If wooden house it's mostly the Scandinavian style of thick beams with isolation and inner plaster or woodchippanel wall
(DIR) Post #At3CSdhqo6T59bvWoy by drsbaitso@infosec.exchange
2025-04-13T14:10:58Z
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@stux Hell, I'm in a suburb of a tier 2 or 3 city, and most of my neighborhood was built in the late 40s. There are at least three houses on my street that are all built on the base floorplan, with small variations and additions over the last 80 years.
(DIR) Post #At3CSemUoJmIUJ6khU by stux@mstdn.social
2025-04-13T14:11:59Z
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@drsbaitso huh!We also live in a house from the 50 or 60's, quickly build after the war but it's still all super solid and "reasonable cheap"
(DIR) Post #At3CTINNb7SFHzfG6a by grechaw@sfba.social
2025-04-13T14:12:06Z
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@stux @Moriel no masonry here cause earthquakes.
(DIR) Post #At3CWjwrXbOlfiu6U4 by stux@mstdn.social
2025-04-13T14:12:46Z
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@grechaw @Moriel Thats a good one!Wood would hold better with quakes i guess?
(DIR) Post #At3CdWIKhg85LwBBGC by stux@mstdn.social
2025-04-13T14:13:57Z
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@cruftyold That's not the point 😉 I was seriously wondering why keep rebuilding wooden houses instead of investing a little more and build brick onesIt has nothing to do with "superiority"
(DIR) Post #At3CoJqrJ6FrwkThSK by springdiesel@spore.social
2025-04-13T14:15:54Z
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@stux I would l live a house built like this but would never be able to afford it. It would take at least 3 or 4 times the amount of money a stick-built house would. Some people are pioneering (re-pioneering?) better construction methods with rammed earth, hyperadobe, etc. but building codes are created around wood framing so it's hard for other types to even be legal.
(DIR) Post #At3CxkFWWuzGQMVdyq by drsbaitso@infosec.exchange
2025-04-13T14:17:12Z
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@stux Mine is still standing after 80 years, so I'd say it's solid enough too 😁 My perception is things have gotten much worse since the 90s, where we really started to push the limits on the minimum requirements. On the east coast of the US, at least.Or maybe all the cheap homes from before the 90s already burned down/blew over/rotted away before I really started paying attention 🤷🏻♂️
(DIR) Post #At3D2HC1zK9tku2K36 by stux@mstdn.social
2025-04-13T14:18:25Z
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@springdiesel It's so messed up that is so out of reach while it should or could be the standard-ishA house made out of mostly wood without isolation/double walls etc would classily as a shed or something here and not be sold as homesMaaaaybe vacation homes or somethingBut yeah, the climate here is rainy mostly
(DIR) Post #At3D6LruXxOPPlZKJU by Chancerubbage@mastodon.social
2025-04-13T14:19:01Z
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@stux There may be two directions to answers. But perhaps the underlying answer is cost and churn and profit.Newer materials, like aluminum beams do get used more, but most frame with wood. What you find inexplicably is materials like brick are used less and less. Too expensive, too time consuming? Too heavy to transport? Too permanent?Most homes are not built by owner but by developers in mass production ways. Often they are lucky to stand up beyond a 30 year mortgage.
(DIR) Post #At3D6MG16KfucWqZt2 by duckquil@mstdn.social
2025-04-13T14:19:05Z
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@stux we have a lot of trees here in america and a lot of really good building wood. its harder to get stone here, some parts of the country dont really have great stone to build with and a lot of older cities are brick so the price is high to build with brick. other than deserts and the great plains most areas of the country have really good wood to build with.
(DIR) Post #At3DNH6NWRGLYPPC08 by ntrembath@mastodon.social
2025-04-13T14:22:14Z
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@stux Wood is quicker, less expensive, and requires less expertise, both to build and to modify. These are important if a city expands quickly or, in a flood zone, needs to be rebuilt quickly. Wood is better in earthquakes. A well-built, maintained wood home can last centuries (most are not well-built anymore).
(DIR) Post #At3DioL58tG2ibYHlQ by gpumoto@mastodon.social
2025-04-13T14:26:08Z
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@stux Wood houses can be well built and stable. They need to be built correctly though. The older stuff from the 40s and 50s used a lot of "old growth" wood and plywood. Those houses are going to be stronger than newer ones made with young pine and osb. Wood is a carbon trap and better for the environment than using concrete. The lightweight stuff used in the EU can be cut with a hand saw (PorBeton) and is not super stable. They almost feel like you can crumble them up in your hands.
(DIR) Post #At3DoLxZZIqqRJCMsa by springdiesel@spore.social
2025-04-13T14:27:08Z
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@stux Oh there is definitely insulation. And the walls get double sheathing - plywood or OSB on the outside (and then siding) and usually sheetrock (drywall) on the inside. This is a shed I'm in right now. I plan to finish it out to be a cabin for visitors.Here you can see house wrap. That's unusual. For a normal house, house wrap goes outside the sheathing but inside the siding. For this shed, the sheathing and siding are the same layer. I didn't know that when ordering.
(DIR) Post #At3EF8AOxVSLTny3LE by Hyperhidrosis@shitposter.world
2025-04-13T14:32:04.200295Z
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@stux You layer the bricks afterwards
(DIR) Post #At3EXyJJpOauPh7fOq by grechaw@sfba.social
2025-04-13T14:35:19Z
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@stux @Moriel oh yes, it's flexible. All unreinforced masonry buildings here are old and have big warnings on them about their risk.I'm lucky enough to live in an old redwood framed house - redwood is so tough and rot resistant that... well it's still old and crappy but it's not rotten!
(DIR) Post #At3EobsOUWFll2Sji4 by praetor@mstdn.social
2025-04-13T14:38:24Z
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@stux It's cheap, and quick to put up and people want cheap big houses. We're into what's called "stick built" houses here where big houses can be put up cheaply and quickly but they are garbage. Absolute garbage. I'm wanting a euro-style minihouse :3
(DIR) Post #At3FGeYg74lYBTc2ue by n@coolworld.cc
2025-04-13T14:43:22Z
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@stux You can build very energy efficient woodframe buildings that don't need major renovations in the first 50 years. But you need to properly plan, check and coordinate. https://proclima.com/building_science
(DIR) Post #At3FlbqmEQTmlJq62y by Littlebobbytables@mstdn.social
2025-04-13T14:49:04Z
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@stux 1) concrete has a huge carbon footprint. Wood is recent/modern carbon.2) Flexibility for earthquakes.3) Flexibility for modification. It is easy to knock down a wall or insert water/power/ducting, etc.
(DIR) Post #At3GCzIn98DTJczvoe by arisummerland@beige.party
2025-04-13T14:53:59Z
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@stux Okay, the video is hilarious. I was like, why are they building a shed wall out of two by twos? Oh. Now I get it. 🤣 A lot of of the materials that could be used to make buildings more tornado/storm resistant are expensive here, and concrete is a nightmare unto itself. I see a lot of new commercial construction going up that has metal framing in place of 2x4s, and that's got to be even more weird.
(DIR) Post #At3JekSyCO3hH2gh9s by houtig@mastodon.nl
2025-04-13T15:32:35Z
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@stux 385 ways to build your inner wall 😉 https://www.gyproc.nl/systemen/scheidingswanden
(DIR) Post #At3N6q2hMMDqXUU96O by nickb333@toot.io
2025-04-13T16:11:19Z
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@stux I notice that even small towns have big fire departments.
(DIR) Post #At3NI9ooAoEB3hNxui by cainmark@mstdn.social
2025-04-13T16:13:24Z
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@stux @nhgeek In North Alabama, that often has tornados, the wood houses tend to survive better than the brick houses because the wood "bends" and the brick just breaks. Also, it depends on the quality of the construction. Around the 1950s, cheap became the standard over quality. Even those houses stand up better than the ones built from the 1990s on, which usually start falling apart after 15 years.
(DIR) Post #At3NTMZx4SIhosmPkO by beep@mastodon.world
2025-04-13T16:15:21Z
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@stux fun fact, in the maritimes(mostly Canada iirc) they’re historically small and wood which allows you to literally float them along the coast if needed.
(DIR) Post #At3OhgOuGp8ZIw0PUu by floatybirb@mastodon.social
2025-04-13T16:29:06Z
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@stux I think the use of wood is mostly to save time and money. You will also see different kinds of construction depending on what part of the US you are in. Like most older urban buildings are made of brick, but I don't see much new brick construction.Newer buildings tend to be thrown up quickly, and made of some kind of special composite wood, I think? Sometimes with aesthetic features to make them look like they're made of something else (brick or metal).
(DIR) Post #At3OvH7L4OyqwZGmeW by cubeofcheese@mstdn.social
2025-04-13T16:31:39Z
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@stux in California at least, brick buildings are not allowed to be built because of earthquakes. Any brick buildings you see are either really old or more likely, it's just a brick facade
(DIR) Post #At3ShpX0iq7LRJ7cbQ by TimMaddog@mstdn.social
2025-04-13T17:14:00Z
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@stux Google says: availability, relative cost, and established construction practices.
(DIR) Post #At3T4fKunFnwTqLxL6 by Elon_Reevmusk@mastodon.social
2025-04-13T17:18:05Z
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(DIR) Post #At3T5VHVf9yhaL9yFc by Elon_Reevmusk@mastodon.social
2025-04-13T17:18:15Z
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2025-04-13T17:18:30Z
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(DIR) Post #At3TGiuBLmrx1XbAWG by vostrik@pol.social
2025-04-13T17:20:12Z
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@stux it started this way because of cheap woods and it became a standard without any reflection. but with the latest climate changes and fires there is a shift towards the same schema with aluminum. in fact it is very hard to find a building company which is capable to build from concrete/bricks
(DIR) Post #At3UhtsEmFY4ocDBbc by moth_ball@shitposter.world
2025-04-13T17:36:32.913322Z
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@drsbaitso @stux wooden walls can be sturdy too but that would be against the profit marigins
(DIR) Post #At3e8U6baeamIpgQvg by VickForcella@mastodon.derg.nz
2025-04-13T19:21:59Z
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@stux I assume, cheep materials and low skilled (cheep) labour.
(DIR) Post #At3vml8tMhjVwhXkEy by Chancerubbage@mastodon.social
2025-04-13T22:39:25Z
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@stux Also increasingly in the states this is part the pattern- people need to move frequently to stay employed. You don’t even see a child raised for two decades in the same house our town anymore.So the buyer living in the house sells in 5 to 7 years, hoping for a profit. And people who flip houses just to flip houses because it is a money hustle do so.Increasingly it is large developers churning their properties, offering lowball amounts to everybody hoping for a desperation sell
(DIR) Post #At3vnC5HCFsrVJ3jqy by Chancerubbage@mastodon.social
2025-04-13T22:39:58Z
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@stux It is an economic engine more than a home, in the states
(DIR) Post #At4523p35x4roOdIh6 by double_virgule@ioc.exchange
2025-04-14T00:23:27Z
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@stux What's sad is I didn't realize this was satire (watching with the sound off) until he pulled out the duct tape.
(DIR) Post #At4CCyj94vsasF1aka by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
2025-04-14T01:43:55.350745Z
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@stux yeah there are tornadoes and floods and stuff
(DIR) Post #At5g8kdAjosXmO5hiK by plinth@infosec.exchange
2025-04-14T18:53:56Z
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@stux has to do with availability of building materials. My last house was built around 1840, making it nearly 200 years old and the two parts that were failing were brick that were spalling and split timber beams that were attacked by powder post beetles. We put an addition on it that more than doubled the floorspace and the outside structure was made by boards that were about 14 cm wide to accommodate more insulation. We also installed a new furnace and in the end the house cost 1/2 as much to heat with 2x the area. A lot of the reasoning behind stick framing is that it's very very fast to build compared to brick and if you live in an area like mine where there are stringent requirements for energy efficiency in new construction, it makes a lot of sense. My current house was built to spec and the only part I don't particularly like is the siding, but that's cosmetic.