Post At1GTpg1nUTY4PykXQ by sim@shitposter.world
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(DIR) Post #At0vNBd9g4aP5scnYm by sim@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T11:51:12.443510Z
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"Bourget’s definition may be satisfactory: “There exists a mental and physical state during which everything is annulled in us, in our thoughts, in our hearts, and in our senses. . . . I call that state love.” Physical love in Stendhal’s sense may appear as a separate variety of love only if we assume a process of dissociation and a change to a primitive state. It is normally an integrating part of passion-love. Taken on its own, it forms the lower limit of passion-love, but it always retains that intrinsic quality. In general it is important here to establish the fundamental difference between our concept and that of the positivists. The difference lies not in the physical or biological interpretation, but in the root meaning of sexual union; for otherwise we both see in that union the essential end and conclusion of every experience based on mutual attraction between the sexes, the center of gravity of all love."-Eros and the mysteries of love by Julius Evola.
(DIR) Post #At0wfJiaRkpVLNNHl2 by sim@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T12:05:41.175514Z
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"Schiller wrote: “Passion disappears; love must remain.” In that we can only see a last resource to one of the dramas of the human condition; for only passion can lead to that “dazzling moment of unity.”
(DIR) Post #At0yxV4LBOwvfWLczg by sim@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T12:31:22.989407Z
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"The best known exponent of this school was D. H. Lawrence. His point of view was summarized in the words of Campion in Aldous Huxley’s Point Counter Point. Campion states that the natural appetites and desires of men are not what make them so bestial: “No, bestial is not the right word because it implies an offense to animals—let us say: too humanly wicked and vicious. . . . It is the imagination, the intellect, the principles, the education, the tradition. Leave the instincts to themselves and they will do very little evil.” And so the majority of men are considered to be like perverts, far from the central norm of humanity both when they excite the “flesh” and deny it for the soul. Lawrence added the following: “My religion is belief in the blood and the flesh, which are wiser than the intellect.” It is strange that Lawrence also wrote words that are not trivial, such as these: “God the Father, the inscrutable, the unknowable, we bear Him in our flesh, we find Him in woman. She is the door by which we come in and go forth. In her we return to the Father, just like those who, blind and unconscious, were present at the transfiguration.” Moreover, he had certain correct intuitions regarding the union that is fulfilled through the blood. However, in spite of this view, he fell into an avoidable ambiguity and made an ideal of salvation out of a mutilation."
(DIR) Post #At115b1L8eu6LtvsNE by sim@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T12:55:15.352066Z
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"Some comments made by Solovieff are also relevant in this context. He showed the error in thinking that the reason for sexual love is the multiplication of the species. Many organisms in both the vegetable and the animal realms reproduce asexually; the sexual fact occurs in the reproduction not of the organisms in general but of the higher organisms. Therefore “the meaning of sexual differentiation (and of sexual love) is to be sought not at all in the idea of the survival of the species and its multiplication, but only in the idea of the higher organism.” Furthermore, “The higher we climb up the ladder of organisms, the more the power of multiplication decreases, whereas the force of mutual attraction increases. . . . Although sexual love reaches its greatest importance and strength in man, he reproduces at a lower rate than the animal species.” It seems, therefore, that sexual love and multiplication of the species are in an inverted ratio to each other: The stronger the one, the weaker the other. When we consider the two extremes of animal life, if multiplication without sexual love is at the lower end, then at the upper end, the summit, there will be sexual love that can exist with an almost complete lack of reproduction, but with the fullest expression of passion. It has only recently been affirmed that “sexual passion almost always involves a deviation of instinct . . . in other words, reproduction of the species is almost always avoided in the presence of sexual passion.” This indicates that we are dealing here with two different facts, the first of which cannot be presented as the means or tool of the other. In its higher forms, eros has an independent and not deducible character, which is not impaired by anything that may be materially required for its arousal in the sphere of physical love."
(DIR) Post #At11Xv0KQvTmRGxrai by sim@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T13:00:22.930416Z
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"“The birth of a given baby,” said Schopenhauer, “is the true objectiveof all the romance of love, even though the protagonists are not aware of that objective; the way in which this objective is reached is purely secondary.” To be more correct, the objective would be then the procreation of a new being as close as possible to the pure, perfect type of the species, able to survive. Thus the “species” should induce every man to choose the woman best fitted for such biological purposes and make her seem ideal, clothing her in such an aura of beauty and seduction that the possession of her and the pleasure she can give seem the essence of all happiness and the real meaning of life. “The best for the species lies where the individual believes he will find the greatest pleasure.” And so feminine beauty and pleasure are made out to be illusions, mere baits with which the “genius of the species” cheats and makes a fool of the individual. Schopenhauer adds, “This is the reason why every lover feels disappointed after he has finally attained his purpose, sexual satisfaction, for the illusion with which the species has deceived and aroused him has vanished by then.” Essentially, these are mere speculations on the borders of Darwinism, and their one-sided and abstract nature is obvious."
(DIR) Post #At12JZhivhPGHHzELg by sim@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T13:08:59.753829Z
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I have no idea where he is taking eros right now because he is basically debunking other theories during the first chapter. I'm like, wait... it's not that? Or that either?
(DIR) Post #At12vI1P7aLcRNAxcW by sim@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T13:15:48.196368Z
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"Let us take the theory that sets the tendency toward pleasure at the very base of sexual instinct. It is certainly evident that in most cases, when a man feels attracted by a woman and desires her, he seeks to imagine the “pleasure” she may give him and to foresee the expression on her face and her behavior in general during the crisis of coitus, rather than to determine whether she can ensure the birth of offspring best fitted to the end purposes of the species. In natural erotic development, every experience of deep passion and strong inclination doubtless follows the path of that which is called “pleasure,” but it does not have pleasure as a principal and preset objective; if it does, we may well speak of lust and debauchery, which are trends corresponding to dissociations, degradations, and “rationalizations” of physical love. The idea of “pleasure” as a ruling motive does not exist in the “normal state of eros,” but the impulse aroused by sexual polarity causes a state of intoxication reaching its apogee in the “pleasure” of physical union and orgasm. Any man who is truly in love, in possessing a woman, entertains the idea of “pleasure” as little as that of children. The teachings of Freud, therefore, were mistaken in his earliest phase when he established the pleasure principle, the Lustprinzip, as the basis not only of eros but of the whole human psychic life. In this the theories of Freud were just the products of his time. In periods of decadence such as the present one, sensuality develops in the dissociated form of simple pleasure. As a result, sex becomes a kind of drug, and the addiction to it is no less profane than actual drug addiction. Freudianism soon abandoned its initial position, however, and in fact Beyond the Pleasure Principle was the title of a successive work of Freud’s."We're debunking pleasure as the very base of sexual instinct now. It will be interesting to see where this goes.
(DIR) Post #At13qWImhSPTEiawIS by sim@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T13:26:09.246482Z
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"Thus, Havelock Ellis, after various attempts to explain sensual pleasure, again concluded that the impulse which leads to pleasure is, in a certain way, independent of the seminal glands and their condition. From a physio-anatomical point of view, the existence of sexual centers in the brain (already presumed by Gall) as well as in the spine and in the sympathetic nervous system is now generally accepted; this is the counterpart of the essential role played by the imagination not only in love generally but in sexuality itself, for the imagination accompanies and sometimes even starts and activates the whole process of copulation, whereas at other times it can stop it irreversibly."I wonder where we are at with this now?
(DIR) Post #At14ua0IyhOppXS1A0 by sim@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T13:38:05.662170Z
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"Psychoanalysis only sees mechanical and interchangeable processes wherein pleasure is apparently derived from the termination of any state of tension, from the discharge of a concurrent “charge” (Besetzungsenergie) of the libido. Indeed the term in German that signifies sexual satisfaction or pleasure—Befriedigung—connotes a sense of perturbation because it also means the pacification, almost the cessation, of a disagreeable state of tension, agitation, or excitement. We should ponder whether this theory is not merely symptomatic of our times, for to perceive sexuality and “pleasure” in these simple terms proceeds from an eros that has become primitive and physical."
(DIR) Post #At1AlJnqRWb4hcad8K by sim@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T14:43:39.062791Z
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"In societies where a sense of this elementary force of sex has been retained, strict conventions are formulated from this deep existential basis rather than a moralistic one. This applies to the rule “that no woman can visit a man except in the presence of another man, particularly if the first man is married. The rule applies to all women, for sex has no age, and to break the rule even in the most innocent of ways is to have sinned.” If a man and woman are alone before each other, even if no contact takes place, it is just the same as if it had. This is because the first level of tsing, the elementary magnetism, has been awakened. The second level, already more intense, happens with bodily contact (ranging from holding hands and touching each other to kissing). The third degree is reached when the man penetrates the woman and is embraced by her. This is the limit of the magnetic development for most modern lovers. However, it is not the true limit, for yet other stages are reached in the practice of sex in sacred and evocatory forms or in sexual magic in a specific sense. “Subtle” changes, particularly in the breathing and the blood, accompany and are proper to these various degrees. The psychic correlative is essentially like a state of vibration and heightening, of exaltation in the true sense of the word. Therefore, we may speak of a “natural magic of love” as a fully real, hyperphysical fact that occurs in the life of the most commonplace, materialistic, and primitive of humans. Even if the views we have just expressed are incompatible with modern psychology, they are confirmed by popular knowledge. Even without having a clear idea of the content of the word, it is generally recognized that an attraction between a man and a woman is born only when something “like a fluid”—a certain chemistry—is established between them. We ought to consider cases of a brutal and immediate lust for a woman as instances of a short circuit and “drop in potential” of this immaterial fluid. When this fluidic relationship is lacking, any exchange of feeling from the coarsest to the most spiritual is impossible. It is still customary to speak of the “fascination” of a woman, a term that brings us back to the magical definition of love; fascinum was, in fact, the technical term used in earlier times for a kind of enchantment or witchcraft."Interesting.
(DIR) Post #At1CCWWNMg2xv7xHIe by noyoushutthefuckupdad@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T14:59:45.748870Z
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@sim that's a lot of words to say "Freud was full of shit"
(DIR) Post #At1D5QdUwmLDaxT1zk by nimrod@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T15:09:40.952264Z
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@noyoushutthefuckupdad @sim You kiss your mother with that mouth?
(DIR) Post #At1DBEgSIYc2GNcTaK by noyoushutthefuckupdad@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T15:10:44.215165Z
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@nimrod @sim I wouldn't kiss my mother, that would be gay (and Freudian)
(DIR) Post #At1DqzYUw3aNVQoB7o by sim@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T15:18:17.441495Z
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@noyoushutthefuckupdad There is a whole book for this. Lol. It talks of debunking a few theories, this being one of them.
(DIR) Post #At1E5DbVV43t8B02Ge by Nudhul@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T15:20:51.580748Z
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@sim @noyoushutthefuckupdad freud didnt even know what is own model of the human mind was. he tried to explain how the brain is made up of the id/ego/superego by creating a decision making model
(DIR) Post #At1E8wQrHnnf22nIEy by sim@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T15:21:31.594413Z
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@noyoushutthefuckupdad I'm still not sure where Evola is taking me on this journey about eros and love.
(DIR) Post #At1EFzH37QbxsAZ87c by sim@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T15:22:48.432715Z
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@Nudhul @noyoushutthefuckupdad And didn't he go into dreams? It's a bit of a weird one.
(DIR) Post #At1EI6yVSSD8KsuBXs by noyoushutthefuckupdad@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T15:23:10.946616Z
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@sim if I wanted a book about MUH DIK, I'd "read" a hentai doijinshi.
(DIR) Post #At1ENk2pco2YxMc4Ey by sim@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T15:24:12.474891Z
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@noyoushutthefuckupdad Haha. I'm reading about it from a controversial figure instead.
(DIR) Post #At1Eecnnnz7xPwdLfs by noyoushutthefuckupdad@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T15:27:15.302794Z
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@sim controversial figure? like that one hentai where an anime girl ("World Peace-chan") bangs Dubya and Saddam to stop the Iraq War, but Osama flies a plane into their orgy and kills everyone? (this is real, it's called "Viva Freedom")
(DIR) Post #At1GTpg1nUTY4PykXQ by sim@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T15:47:43.192136Z
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@noyoushutthefuckupdad Haha. I suppose that would be considered controversial.
(DIR) Post #At1GetgnDghFhRc2yG by sim@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T15:49:42.737494Z
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"One of the names given to this subtle body is “aromal body.” The relationship with smell is not without sexological importance. The special part played by sweat in certain popular enchantments is well known. Smell plays an important part in the magnetism of physical love and in the “fluidic intoxication“ of lovers. It was believed in olden times and is still believed among certain primitive peoples today that the fluid of a being penetrates to such an extent that it impregnates not only the body but also the clothing (with this are associated some cases of fetishism). Hence arise practices that are often continued in the customs of both lovers and primitive peoples. To breathe in the smell and to always carry a piece of the lover’s clothing is believed to enforce the relationship and mutual faithfulness (a custom followed in the Philippines). These practices would seem to be merely superstitious if one overlooked the “psychic” element. The extreme case is that of an erotic intoxication that is liable to be aroused not only by a glance but even by a smell (“He looked at her and inhaled her, she looked at him and inhaled him” W. Somerset Maugham). Furthermore, it should be noted that the Latin term fascinum has, in origin and literal meaning, an essential connection with the sense of smell. Anyone whose sensitivity is sufficiently refined will recognize that in amorous relations there is a kind of mutual psychic vampirism that is partly rooted in the sense of smell.The smell of man or woman in purely material terms concerns us here only in a secondary way; the possibility of a corresponding psychic effect in the case of human beings can only be explained in terms of an equally psychic, subtle counterpart. This fact clearly demonstrates characteristics that are instinctive and rather coarse and that are often more highly accentuated in various animal species; for here, as elsewhere, that which in man belongs in principle to a higher plane is made visible and specific in animal life in terms of a kind of daemonism of the bios. It is also possible to see the basis of the ancient Mexican belief that reproduction is the outcome of the mingling of the breath of man and woman."
(DIR) Post #At1Hfmz1jn03958AD2 by sim@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T16:01:04.303605Z
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"Lastly, Weininger put forward a real formula for the first basis of sexual attraction. When the absolute man and the absolute woman are taken as criteria, there is generally something of man in a woman and of woman in a man. He believed that the greatest attraction is aroused between a man and a woman when the masculine and feminine parts in both are added together and the totals obtained are the absolute man and the absolute woman. For instance, a man who is three-quarters man (yang) and one-quarter woman (yin) will be irresistibly attracted and develop the strongest magnetism with his female complement, a woman who is onequarter man and three-quarters woman; this will be so because the sums of the fractions will reestablish the whole absolute man and absolute woman. In fact, it is the absolute man and absolute woman who form the true basis of the primordial polarity of the sexes and therefore provoke the first spark of eros. We can affirm that they are the ones who love each other and seek to be united with each other through the persons of every man and every woman; and so the saying is true that all women love only one man and all men love only one woman. The formula put forward by Weininger, therefore, establishes one of the essential conditions of sexual choice when it calls into play the deepest layers of a person’s being."
(DIR) Post #At1IUKwvj5USy8Fk36 by sim@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T16:10:12.779791Z
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"Here we shall make only a passing reference to the vexed question of the inferiority, equality, or superiority of woman as compared with man. A question of this kind is lacking in sense because it assumes that the two can be measured against each other. If we set aside everything artificial, external, and acquired, we find that there is a difference of Platonic ideas between man and woman that makes impossible any common measurement. Even faculties or gifts that appear to be common to both and to be “neutral” have a different functional character and imprint, depending on whether they are present in a man or a woman. We cannot ask ourselves whether “woman” is superior or inferior to “man” any more than we can ask ourselves whether water is superior or inferior to fire. Thus the standard of measurement for either of the sexes can be provided not by the opposite sex but only by the “idea” of the same sex. In other words, the only thing we can do is establish the superiority or inferiority of a given woman on the basis of her being more or less close to the female type, to the pure and absolute woman, and the same thing applies to man as well. The claims of modern woman, therefore, spring from mistaken ambitions as well as from an inferiority complex, from the mistaken idea that a woman as such is inferior to man. It has been said rightly that feminism has really fought not for “woman’s right” but, without knowing it, for the right of woman to make herself equal to man. Even if this could be achieved on a level beyond the outer expedient and intellectual level mentioned earlier, it would amount to a woman’s having the right to pervert herself and to degenerate. Let us say it once more: The only qualitative standard is the degree of more or less perfect realization of the nature proper to a person. There can be no doubt that a woman who is perfectly woman is superior to a man who is imperfectly man, just as a farmer who is faithful to his land and performs his work perfectly is superior to a king who cannot do his own work."Feminism mentioned.
(DIR) Post #At1KujtTo2TxlnM9o0 by sim@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T16:37:23.963541Z
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"Let us now pass on to the level of the outer individual. When a person’s center of gravity falls within this level, the changeability we mentioned and the indetermination of its proper sexual complement in his choices become excessive. As we said before,everything at this level is inorganic and lacks deep roots. Thus in some cases we may find the type of libertine who seeks “pleasure” alone and values a woman by the amount of pleasure he thinks she can give him; in every other respect one woman is for him more or less the same as another. In other cases the deciding factors may become social and environmental ones, such as class, fashion, tradition, and vanity. When this is the case, eros constellates itself on this level, and it is mainly by such qualities that normal, “civilized,” bourgeois love is defined. However, should eros suddenly recover its fundamental character and follow the conditional qualities belonging to its deepest layers, it will then act in a catastrophic manner on everything that has formed in the outer realm of the social individual and therefore in the sexual relations. In a case where a person finds his true complement, all the affinities determined by the level of his individual nature and samskara can upset or undermine everything that the social individual has won for himself in the framework of institutions of the civilization and society of a “divine right of love”: “They [the lovers] have a share of divine right, notwithstanding human laws and conventions.” Such cases are numerous nowadays and have provided material for certain kinds of drama and literature, precisely because in modern times there exists the illusion that the relations between the sexes can be centered and systematized on the outer, social, inorganic, artificial level.We can similarly explain the case of the libertine who becomes a victim of his own game and ends up falling in love with a particular woman, thus terminating the ability to change the object of his eros, or who undergoes maniacal sexual transformations as a result of playing with fire and provoking the activation of a “voltage” fitted to the deeper level."Tearing through so many concepts that we may take for granted or believe about love.
(DIR) Post #At1LHfpl4EQtq2YGQa by sim@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T16:41:32.497793Z
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"Finally, we can mention the fact that there are artificial means of arousing in a more or less free state the elementary force of eros by neutralizing those more superficial layers. Here we can note the action of alcohol and some drugs; these were sometimes employed in sexual rites, such as Dionysiac ceremonies and Tantrism. Love potions, whose true nature is lost to the modern world, have played a similar role. By this, as we shall see, eros can lead to some forms of daemonic worship as well as to sexual magic proper."
(DIR) Post #At1Pd4UgyZDEDc9n3A by Bear_market@detroitriotcity.com
2025-04-12T17:30:10.268774Z
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@noyoushutthefuckupdad @sim heck Freud
(DIR) Post #At1RpW1SeQc8ypXu1w by sim@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T17:54:53.609853Z
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Chapter II now."Myth is the means by which the traditional world expressed the ultimate significance of being. The traditional myth has the value of a key, but it has been neglected as such in past attempts to explain myth within the framework of natural history, biology, and psychology. Our intent is to reinstate myth as a resource in order to explore the metaphysics of sex. "Retvrn to myth.
(DIR) Post #At1T2rhTSueBvm7uVs by sim@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T18:08:30.581611Z
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"According to Plato, the gods did not strike the hermaphrodites with lightning, as they had the Giants, but paralyzed their power and broke them in two. Thenceforth there arose beings of one sex or the other, male or female; they were, however, beings who retained the memory of their earlier state and in whom the impulse to reconstitute the primordial unity was kindled. According to Plato, in that impulse should be sought the ultimate metaphysical and everlasting meaning of eros: “From such an ancient time has love goaded human beings, one toward the other; it is inborn and seeks to renew our ancient nature in an endeavor to unite in one single being two distinct beings and, therefore, to restore human nature to good health.” Quite apart from the joint participation of lovers in sexual pleasure, the soul of each of them “tends toward something different, which it cannot express but which it feels and reveals mysteriously .” Almost by way of a posteriori counterevidence, Plato makes Hephaestus ask the lovers: Is it not perhaps this for which you long, a perfect, mutual fusion so that you will neverbe sundered from each other by day or night? If this is what you wish, I am ready to melt you and weld you together with fire into one and the same individual so as to reduce you to one single being instead of the two which you were beforehand; in this way you may live united to each other for the whole of your lives and, when you are dead and down in Hades, you may be only one instead of two and may share together one single fate. Well, then, ask yourselves if this is what you want and whether you think you can be happy if you obtain it. “We know very well,” said Plato, “that no one would refuse such a proposal or show himself desirous of something else, but each person without any hesitation would deem that he had finally heard expressed that which had certainly been his desire for a long time, namely to be united and fused with his beloved so as to form one single nature from two distinct beings. Now, the cause of this desire is to be sought in the fact that this was indeed our primitive nature when we constituted one unit which was still whole; it is really the burning longing for this unity which bears the name of love.” Almost like a symbol is “the clinging of the two parts to each other, as if in a desire to pervade each other wholly.”"Would you desire this with your beloved?
(DIR) Post #At1UZv00JxzFfl7Q36 by sim@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T18:25:41.369169Z
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"In its most profound aspect, eros embodies an impulse to overcome the consequences of the Fall, to leave the restrictive world of duality, to restore the primordial state, to surmount the condition of dual existentiality broken and conditioned by the “other.” This is the absolute meaning of eros; this is the mystery hidden behind man’s drive toward woman in an elementary state. It precedes all the conditional qualities that human love shows in its infinite varieties in beings who are not even absolute men or absolute women but merely by-products of one or the other. Here is the key to all the metaphysics of sex: “Through the Dyad toward the Unity.”Sexual love is the most universal form of man’s obscure search to eliminate duality for a short while, to existentially overcome the boundary between ego and not-ego, between self and not-self. Flesh and sex are the tools for an ecstatic approximation of the achievement of unity. The etymology of the word amore, as given by a medieval “Worshipper of Love,” although unfounded, is nonetheless meaningful: “The particle a means ‘without’; mor [mors] means ‘death’: If we join them together, we get ‘without death’ or life everlasting.”Fundamentally, therefore, by loving and desiring, a man seeks the confirmation of self, participation in absolute being, the destruction of steresis, and the loss and existential anguish associated with it. When looked at in this light, many aspects of profane love and of sexuality are clarified. At the same time, we can already foresee the path leading to the sphere of mystic eroticism and of the sacred or magical use of sex belonging to so many ancient traditions. For already at the beginning of our inquiry, we have revealed the elementary basis of the erotic impulse to be metaphysical and not physical."In love and desire, are we seeking the confirmation of self?
(DIR) Post #At1VLpKahJAzzfanTc by sim@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T18:34:19.468802Z
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@cowanon @noyoushutthefuckupdad I would second this. Reading this book is a lot more stimulating than doomscrolling. It's like reading someones monologue. However, I miss the active participation aspect of speaking with another human being that takes interest in these subjects. I should have read it sooner when I was still in contact with someone who recommended this book to me.
(DIR) Post #At1b2iLT2uzqYBGvuS by sim@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T19:38:07.432709Z
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"Thus Plato recognizes one tree trunk, of which sexual eros is a branch, a specialized type. Its raw material is an animation and liberating exaltation (that almost grafts a higher life onto human life in mythological terms; a fertilizing and integrating possession by a daemon or god), which, if it obeyed only its own metaphysics, as defined by the myth of the hermaphrodite, would have as its highest possibility a telete or initiation (as Plato said), an equivalent of the initiatic ceremony of the Greek mysteries. Moreover, it is noteworthy that the word “orgy,” now associated only with the unleashing of the senses and sexuality, was linked in the beginning to the attribute “holy,” the “holy” orgies. In fact, orgia meant the state of inspired exaltation that began the initiatory process in the ancient Greek mysteries. But when this exaltation of eros, itself akin to other experiences of a supersensual nature, becomes individualized as a longing that is onlycarnal—when it becomes conditioned instead of itself conditioning, because it is wholly linked to the biological determinisms and muddy sensations of the lower nature—then it deteriorates and ends finally in the form constituted by mere “pleasure,” or venereal lust. Here we must distinguish various degrees. Pleasure has a widespread and still ecstatic nature when the “magnetic” moment of love with its consequent fluidic amalgamationof two beings is quite intense. As this intensity lessens or as a lover becomes used to performing the physical act with the same person, the pleasure tends more and more to be localized bodily in given zones and essentially in the sexual organs. Man is notoriously more predisposed than woman to this further deterioration. In the end, we are left with a dissociated pleasure, detached from every profound experience. In general, “pleasure” is the effective breakdown of the state of mania, of pure, exalted, and lucid intoxication induced by a supersensual element."Interesting origin of orgy here.
(DIR) Post #At1caFZmcCn57mWV2e by sim@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T19:55:23.381463Z
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"In Plato’s Symposium, Diotima seems at first to argue against Aristophanes. She says that all men in love tend toward the good and that “the everlasting essence of love consists in possessing the good,” not the half that is lacking, but the whole. But in reality the two are the same thing expressed in different words, for according to the Hellenistic concept, the “good” had a meaning that was ontological but not moral, to the degree that it was identified with the state of being in a lofty sense, with that which is perfect and whole; and the myth of the hermaphrodite alludes to that and to nothing else under the cloak of the fable. Diotima then says that “the ardent concern and tension” of anyone tending toward that higher state take on a specific figure of love in relation to “the creative force inborn in all men according to the body and to the soul,” the force that aims at the “act of procreation in beauty.” And this is the case “also in the union of man with woman.” She then states, “In the living, which is also mortal, this union is the root of immortality.” The meaning already given for the metaphysics of sex receives here, on the one hand, a confirmation. As a wish for the everlasting possession of good, love is also the wish for immortality. On the other hand, we pass with Diotima’s doctrine to a “physics” of sex that almost strangely anticipates the views of Schopenhauer and the school of Darwin.Mortal nature, overworked and subdued by the onslaught of love, seeks to reach immortality in the form of the continuation of the species by generating. “Only in this way,” says Diotima, “can [everlasting life] be achieved by the act of procreation inasmuch as the act always leaves a different being alive to take the place of the aged being.” Thus she speaks of man as almost a superindividual who continues through the unbroken chain of generations owing to “eros, the procreator.” It can be stated that no living being ever retains within himself the same qualities; yet he is always considered as having one identical personality while he goes on renewing himself forever, even though such parts as his hair or flesh, bones or blood, are continually changing. This is also the process through which no human being perishes: not that he remains himself, as happens with a god, but through ensuring that when he grows old, deteriorates, and dies, he will be replaced with another individual. It is indeed immortality in the sense of the perpetuity of the species. And Diotima speaks exactly like a follower of Darwin when she explains in these terms the deep, natural urge to ensure that one’s own stock does not die out but also the urge that, blindly, without being guided by any reasoning, drives animals not merely to copulation but to sacrifices of all kinds so as to feed, protect, and defend their offspring. It was not by chance that this theory was put into the mouth, first, of a woman and, second, of Diotima of Mantineia, an initiate of those mysteries which may well be called the “mysteries of the Mother” and which take us back to the pre-Hellenic, pre-Indo European substratum of a civilization oriented toward the earth and the rule of woman. Let us reserve the right to return to this subject later and say here only that in the eyes of such a civilization, which set the maternal mystery of physical generation at the summit of its religious concept, the individual has no existence on its own; it is a fleeting thing that lasts for a day. Only the maternal cosmic womb is everlasting, for the individual beings return and are dissolved in it but also swarm forth forever from it, just as new leaves sprout on a tree in the place of those which have fallen. This is the opposite of true Olympian immortality, which implies instead the abrogation of the naturalistic and earthly-motherly bond, the departure from the everlasting circle of generation, and the ascent toward the region of immutability and pure being."Interesting concept that this concept is related to the rule of the mother and oriented towards the earth.
(DIR) Post #At1dtTqZseWmqD71OK by noyoushutthefuckupdad@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T20:10:02.785896Z
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(DIR) Post #At1fGKfqFgvz0PYEZE by sim@shitposter.world
2025-04-12T20:25:24.359620Z
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"These meanings also provide the right points of reference for understanding the more profound factor acting behind daily human existence itself. At the level of the life of relationships, man needs love and woman to rid himself of existential sorrow and to invent for himself a meaning for his existence; he seeks unconsciously a substitute of some kind or another and accepts and nourishes every illusion. Jack London was right to talk of the “subtle atmosphere spread abroad by the female sex, an atmosphere which we do not notice while we are immersed in it; but when it is missing, we feel a growing void in our existence and are tormented by a vague wish for something which is so indefinite that we cannot explain it.” This feeling acts as a substratum for the sociology of sex, for sex itself is a factor in the life of companionship, ranging from marriage to the desire to have a family, offspring, and lineage. This desire becomes ever more alive the further we fall from the magical plane of sex and the more we become dimly aware of the delusion of the most profound impulse of our being, behind the gleaming mirage of the moments of first contacts and the summits of passion. This realm, within which domesticated man normally encloses sex, especially in our times, may well be called the realm of the second-degree by-products of the metaphysics of sex and, according to the meaning given by Michelstaedter to such expressions, a world of “rhetoric” that replaces the world of “persuasion” and truth. Still further toward the edge and as if going in a direction of its own, we find the abstract and vicious hunt for venereal pleasure as a drug and liminal soothing agent for the lack of meaning in finite existence; but that is a subject to which we shall return."This seems to ring true. What do you think?