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       Post AsqeDAIO924xFwwohU by harry_wood@en.osm.town
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 (DIR) Post #AsqeD8oDfiLue5pD2O by harry_wood@en.osm.town
       2025-03-20T11:41:52Z
       
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       Vicious criticism of LLMs from this sysadmin who has to deal with their scrapers: https://drewdevault.com/2025/03/17/2025-03-17-Stop-externalizing-your-costs-on-me.html The LLM scraper problem seems surprising to me. The makers of big new generative AI systems are mostly big-tech firms. Don&#39;t they value their reputation, or even the reputation of the AI concept overall, better than to commission these cowboys to do their scraping? But maybe they&#39;ve already decided that, due to the copyrights risk, it&#39;s best done at arms length via shady intermediaries.
       
 (DIR) Post #AsqeD9aQmSuv3cNiBU by russss@chaos.social
       2025-03-20T11:45:11Z
       
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       @harry_wood I don&#39;t think it&#39;s the big AI companies which are scraping excessively, it&#39;s random people who probably got a LLM to write their scraper bots... To make it more confusing, in some cases they&#39;re cloning the user-agents of the major AI bots.
       
 (DIR) Post #AsqeDAIO924xFwwohU by harry_wood@en.osm.town
       2025-03-20T11:57:46Z
       
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       @russss Are you saying the data isn&#39;t even necessarily being used for training LLMs? The problem is just correlated to rise of LLMs because LLMs are making it a lot easier to write scrapers (and I guess chatGPT will also happily advise on how to bypass mitigations)
       
 (DIR) Post #AsqeDBImP3zCNS8dwu by russss@chaos.social
       2025-03-20T12:02:47Z
       
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       @harry_wood oh it&#39;s probably LLMs or something LLM-adjacent. But I doubt it&#39;s the big AI players who are responsible for the excessive scraping.
       
 (DIR) Post #AsqeDGn5zmCtOvMQOe by harry_wood@en.osm.town
       2025-03-26T14:09:38Z
       
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       More on the LLM scraper problem https://go-to-hellman.blogspot.com/2025/03/ai-bots-are-destroying-open-access.html by @gluejar &quot;Thousands of developer hours are being spent on defense against the dark bots and those hours are lost to us forever. We&#39;ll never see the wonderful projects and features they would have come up with in that time&quot;