Post AsqQ17cgrAwG8No5bM by magicalthinking@noauthority.social
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(DIR) Post #AsqHNLA6IiW0uKxDE0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-07T08:35:51Z
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A group of Wikipedia editors have formed a group to address AI-generated content infiltrating the site. (And I think Gillian makes a great point. What does it say exactly about the ... "value" of this new technology)(Also she used the wrong "their" and I corrected it, because it was driving me nuts, that's why the word "they're" is in red.)
(DIR) Post #AsqI6GldUEL2JEw0sy by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-07T08:43:58Z
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Wikipedia editors aren't paid. People edit the wikipedia because they take pride in the quality of the information. Having a lot of edits to your name it's a brag-worthy thing. Not getting reverted all the time is a matter of pride. It means you have a big-brain and know things. That's the reward. If AI could help them make better articles with less work they'd use it. But, the results aren't good. Forget the environmental impact and the copyright issues. AI just isn't delivering results.
(DIR) Post #AsqIbTQGU5zEXIolii by capnthommo@c.im
2025-04-07T08:49:35Z
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@futurebird the wrong word entirely, I think. It's not a "they", it's an "it" - an information hub.
(DIR) Post #AsqKa1mHyuCcPrYduq by danielberkman@mastodon.social
2025-04-07T09:11:43Z
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@futurebird I dont trust Wikipedia editors. For example, in the early hours of April 2, 2025, a Wikipedia administrator known as Liz executed a quiet act of digital disappearance. Liz deleted the page documenting the 2024-2025 Southeast Europe protests, a movement that had brought hundreds of thousands into the streets from Belgrade to Sofia. This rigid adherence to process reveals Wikipedia’s deeper crisis: an institutional bias against emergent histories that challenge power.
(DIR) Post #AsqLKCOWqBLCfFSarg by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-07T09:20:05Z
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@kahomono I'm no paragon of grammar and correctness. I just have a deep irrational sensitivity to a handful of errors and "their" is one of them.
(DIR) Post #AsqLbmGkiGmOqmCm4e by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-07T09:23:17Z
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@danielberkman Wikipedia can only be as good as the people who make the time to invest in it. When I started editing there I would add biographies of famous women in fashion. These were swiftly deleted even thought they met the requirement of being mentioned in print media because the majority of editors had "never heard" of these people. Meanwhile video game designers were meticulously documented. But, with persistence I was able to make change.
(DIR) Post #AsqOnbzV3LDoJITC88 by magicalthinking@noauthority.social
2025-04-07T09:59:06Z
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@futurebird @danielberkman Grok replaced wikipedia.
(DIR) Post #AsqP0EFUdWfKRLy0cy by 11112011@annihilation.social
2025-04-07T10:01:21.476192Z
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@magicalthinking @futurebird @danielberkman grok gets dumber over time wich is oposite of intention
(DIR) Post #AsqPbRfpgbVun727TU by PedroLopes135@mastodon.social
2025-04-07T10:07:59Z
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@futurebird Wikipedia is trash anyway, it does not matter what happens to it.I remember back in the early 2000's when Wikipedia warlords from the left were constantly editing out any mentions to human rights abuses in Venezuela, that alone convinced me that Wikipedia is just a gigantic opinion blog mascarading as an open encyclopedia.
(DIR) Post #AsqPeYIRWGTuCSZfJQ by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-07T10:08:38Z
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@magicalthinking @danielberkman "Grok replaced wikipedia."I only have the most dim awareness of 'grok' to what extent is this true? Are you just saying this... or are people really turning to this kind of tool more often?
(DIR) Post #AsqPkVsLQvS8QfD30C by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-07T10:09:40Z
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@PedroLopes135 "Wikipedia is just a gigantic opinion blog mascarading as an open encyclopedia"Is there anything that doesn't have this flaw?
(DIR) Post #AsqQ17cgrAwG8No5bM by magicalthinking@noauthority.social
2025-04-07T10:12:44Z
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@futurebird @danielberkman Wikipedia can’t be used as a scholarly citation, so it’s merely for entertainment. Grok does the same thing faster.
(DIR) Post #AsqQCaQY6UgsecavtA by aurochs@todon.eu
2025-04-07T10:14:41Z
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@futurebird Awesome! And how are they doing that?
(DIR) Post #AsqQUKZ5ol7qff3HvM by katzenberger@mastodon.de
2025-04-07T10:17:54Z
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@futurebird I believe you and that poster are mistaken here, Wikipedia is not countering that "infiltration" at all. On the contrary, the project page says, loud and clear:»The purpose of this project is not to restrict or ban the use of AI in articles, but to verify that its output is acceptable and constructive, and to fix or remove it otherwise. «So they're actually welcoming "#AI" and believe they can moderate it's BS output away – in addition to their existing workload.This is unfortunate, to say the least.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_AI_Cleanup
(DIR) Post #AsqRbF3cnDtbZSBzcG by baibold@mastodon.social
2025-04-07T10:30:22Z
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@futurebird @PedroLopes135 Even AP, which is often considered one of the most-neutral news sources, often has loaded wording choices which go un-noticed by US liberals and conservatives alike.
(DIR) Post #AsqSxOKL6q7Ge38VTE by pesasa@mastodon.social
2025-04-07T10:45:34Z
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@futurebird And at the same time it is (and other websites are also) flooded by bots harvesting data for AI training.This looks like a really bad feedback loop. "Garbage in, garbage out." And damages to Wikipedia both ways.https://diff.wikimedia.org/2025/04/01/how-crawlers-impact-the-operations-of-the-wikimedia-projects/
(DIR) Post #AsqVbyiFRoHMz6ngPI by freequaybuoy@mastodon.social
2025-04-07T11:15:19Z
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@futurebird Also, how else would AI have the information without crawling Wikipedia in the first place??
(DIR) Post #AsqdnVYgT2llflKriK by RustedComputing@discuss.systems
2025-04-07T12:47:07Z
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@magicalthinkingOoph. If the fediverse is Tatooine, NA social looks like it's Mos Eisley. Keep expanding your context, guys, be earnest yet patient and open. Give yourselves and every human some grace.@futurebird @danielberkman
(DIR) Post #AsqeGb2TAcuF4G8bxY by heuveltop@c.im
2025-04-07T12:52:18Z
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@futurebird That's the end to my Wikipedia donations.
(DIR) Post #AsqfDW9B09osyuN34q by TheZeldaZone@mastodon.social
2025-04-07T13:02:57Z
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@futurebird Submitting AI edits to wikipedia is such braindead shit, I hate "AI fans".Never send anything AI to anyone who hasn't specifically requested AI, that's my policy. I've already gotten AI generated and submitted security alerts (they were, shockingly, wrong). Why? This benefits no one and harms everyone. They took time and possibly money out of their own life to make the world a worse place.
(DIR) Post #AsqkAw4aeVGmI8oW7U by JamesTDG@mastodon.world
2025-04-07T13:58:30Z
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@futurebird you know it is something interesting when the not-for-profit is the one fighting against the abuse of this tool
(DIR) Post #AsqkC0ocVPIzI0rD1s by SanjoSez@urbanists.social
2025-04-07T13:58:31Z
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@futurebird I love Wikipedia and donate every year!
(DIR) Post #AsqrdmJKj5iw5kPU6S by KaraLG84@dragonscave.space
2025-04-07T15:22:09Z
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@futurebird Speaking of corrections, in the alt text, it says Al (as in short for Alan) instead of AI.
(DIR) Post #Asqs6F6FHczFUGrSFM by grymoire@infosec.exchange
2025-04-07T15:27:18Z
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@futurebird Maybe we should train AI books that teach them to write properly and effectively. For instance, Strunk and White simply say, "Omit unnecessary words" I wish every AI-generated text was trained on that 10000000000000000 times.
(DIR) Post #AsqsknvvC0676YNDpA by Pizzasquidwithatophat@mastodon.social
2025-04-07T15:34:38Z
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@futurebird It makes me crazy that people are using AI for the Wikipedia. They should be banned from accessing the site
(DIR) Post #AsquYNmum3RoRxMiFE by ditol@freiburg.social
2025-04-07T15:54:47Z
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@futurebird I was irritated why Joseph didn't post this on Mastodon. But then I realised, the post is from half a year ago. Probably he did post this here too, but I am too lazy to scroll. :)
(DIR) Post #Asqv6J7AeiDTnm15Hs by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-04-07T16:00:59Z
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@KaraLG84 Thanks!
(DIR) Post #AsqzXCFcgMd69M2z7g by kolya@social.cologne
2025-04-07T16:50:25Z
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@futurebird the correct way would have been to add a (sic!) in the alt-text. once you start screwing around with a quote, it's not a quote anymore
(DIR) Post #AsqzdttLL9zJEip49Q by heretical_i@kafeneio.social
2025-04-07T16:51:48Z
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The state department's editors get paid @futurebird, or didn't you know the state department and intel agencies watch current event entries very carefully amd edit them. Sometimmes they just lock them to prevent facts opposing their pov from being entered. I NEVER EVER use wikipedia for current hotspot events. Just verifiable by other sources history of events.Reuters, 2007. Probably before most of you reading this ever used the internet, but I remember. https://www.reuters.com/article/technology/cia-and-fbi-computers-used-for-wikipedia-edits-idUSN16428960/
(DIR) Post #Asr1P60WDCLKNSFOFM by FlockOfCats@famichiki.jp
2025-04-07T17:11:31Z
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@futurebird If the AI fans think it is so good, they should just go start wikAIpedia.They could literally start with the base Wikipedia (it's all free to use under a CC license ) and then they could dump as much AI into it as they want.Then, we can see which one people want to use 💡
(DIR) Post #Asr5xoNy7Xvpg01cIK by heretical_i@kafeneio.social
2025-04-07T18:02:37Z
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Women in fashion isnt controversial to people in power @futurebird
(DIR) Post #AsrJkdsHHwFqfcog8u by heavyimage@mastodon.social
2025-04-07T20:37:08Z
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@futurebird @danielberkman I remember someone saying to me once that (at least at some point in the past -- too afraid to check now) that the wikipediia article for "Klingon battle weapons" was like 10x longer than the history of woman's suffrage. I say this as someone who is very appreciative for the wikipedia project, donates money to them, and spends lots of time reading articles on there. But yeah - - even before mass disinformation also a lot of biases amongst the editors...
(DIR) Post #AssEHJ7t2t3tJIGoFM by magicalthinking@noauthority.social
2025-04-08T07:10:37Z
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@RustedComputing @futurebird @danielberkman I don’t use Wikipedia and I don’t trust anything i read there. You keep using the force Luke.
(DIR) Post #AssEvj0mDwObAwDW5I by Starkimarm@23.social
2025-04-08T07:17:47Z
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@futurebird AI is great if you have to churn out mediocre soulless drivel.On the other hand, if that is your job you should reflect on some life choices you made...