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(DIR) Post #AsVfNzj7WYzMrdwo0u by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-03-28T09:55:55Z
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Ghibli is an artist, and frankly that man is a melodramatic. It's goes with his particular brand of superlative talent & genius. So, while I agreed with his objections to AI, and enjoyed seeing the AI boys getting a thrashing, I assumed his comments about "insult to life" and "dead zombies" were hyperbolic. It couldn't possibly be *that* bad, right?Then I saw some of the animations in the "Ghibli Style" from AI. They are an insult to life itself. Soulless, dead, animated corpses.
(DIR) Post #AsVfeeYBVj226rm9su by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-03-28T09:58:58Z
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It makes it even more funny that some people are using "Ghibli Style" AI images as their profiles. It's less noticeable in still images, but having seen what this stuff looks like when it's moving it's like they have a dead body as their profile pic.And for some reason they can't see it. That's what gets to me. A lot of people just cannot see what many of us notice in these images and what is that about?Willful blindness on their part? Projection on ours?Why can't they see it?
(DIR) Post #AsVfgdS4ZAE9HWrVw0 by jasper@beige.party
2025-03-28T09:59:19Z
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@futurebird (Ghibli is a studio, Hayao Miyazaki is that man)
(DIR) Post #AsVfmSQoS6ieqA36ae by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-03-28T10:00:22Z
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I need to write my damn story. Goddamn I need to FOCUS.
(DIR) Post #AsVfsayzZVqh6Cxlce by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-03-28T10:01:29Z
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@jasper Thanks for the correction.
(DIR) Post #AsVg4BCdFNNmcQrnZA by RogerBW@discordian.social
2025-03-28T10:03:32Z
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@futurebird AI art appeals to the same people who'd put a Thomas Kinkade picture on the wall. For them, art is not there to move you, so say something, to challenge your perceptions; it's there to fill space.
(DIR) Post #AsVgICwPa3LY43y84O by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-03-28T10:06:05Z
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@ainmosni I've heard this theory before and thought it was fantastical. Come on.But the way that this just keeps going. The lack of self awareness OR raw contempt implied by their actions is making it hard not to start thinking your are correct.
(DIR) Post #AsVgUgRfi6ef2rXVc8 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-03-28T10:08:16Z
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@ainmosni I thought these wretched boys were supposed to love and worship Anime. Not even that is sacred I suppose. Nothing is.
(DIR) Post #AsVh9JwyFfR99OYZcm by TerryHancock@realsocial.life
2025-03-28T10:15:39Z
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@futurebird It's a bit out of context, and I don't think hyperbolic at all.The particular AI animation demo he was responding to was a particularly gross example (video below). It's frankly a little stomach turning.Was not a comment on current-generation SD generative AI. Different "AI":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngZ0K3lWKRc
(DIR) Post #AsVhDm7pRI7Hgzl8ro by dotsie@mastodon.social
2025-03-28T10:16:29Z
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@futurebird @ainmosni a sizable portion of people do not have appreciation for the arts, and a lot of that is due to ignorance not malice.There is variation on an individual level as well, e.g. some people don’t enjoy music which to me is like saying I don’t enjoy breathing.There has to be a willful choice to grow and many won’t ever have that opportunity or seize it, which is also why a lot of music taste freezes for people in their early teens.The reality is ‘slop’ is enough.l for them.
(DIR) Post #AsVhS6zOfEbGSHeSeG by dotsie@mastodon.social
2025-03-28T10:19:04Z
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@futurebird @ainmosni a sizable portion of people do not have appreciation for the arts, and a lot of that is due to ignorance not malice.There is variation on an individual level as well, e.g. some people don’t enjoy music which to me is like saying I don’t enjoy breathing.There needs to be a willful choice to grow and many won’t ever have that opportunity or seize it, which is also why a lot of music taste freezes for people in their early teens.In reality, ‘slop’ is good enough for them
(DIR) Post #AsVhkRjmGIgw165Xeq by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-03-28T10:22:20Z
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@dotsie @ainmosni AI music doesn't set me off in the same way as AI art and writing. I wonder if that's because I've never really tried to make my own music so I have less understanding of that process and less sensitivity. Does anyone have a reaction to AI music that is similar to the negative reaction that many of us have to AI art?Knowing this helps me to see that they really might not be able to see what everyone is so upset about on some levels.
(DIR) Post #AsVho1z1xMnjIgvrFo by melis@mastodon.social
2025-03-28T10:23:02Z
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@futurebirdI read that his remarks were in relation to a CGI clip with zombies.https://www.polygon.com/animation-cartoons/2020/5/28/21273115/hayao-miyazaki-cgi-computer-generated-ai-zombie-animation-criticismBut you should focus on your writing your story!(And now I will return to my attempt at staying out of social media...)
(DIR) Post #AsVhpiqq3ndaXguIYy by MennoWolff@ohai.social
2025-03-28T10:23:19Z
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@futurebird @dotsie @ainmosni Didn't you have a story to finish, or so? 😄
(DIR) Post #AsVi2Vjq7oE3dcjPFY by a@beige.party
2025-03-28T10:25:39Z
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@futurebird @dotsie @ainmosni I find AI music sludgy and weird, well at least what I’ve heard of it. I do try to avoid it where it’s clearly labelled. (I’m an amateur music maker) 😅
(DIR) Post #AsViOq8Uy2IbGsudpg by mensrea@freeradical.zone
2025-03-28T10:29:39Z
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@futurebird @ainmosni the arts and the humanities in general have been framed as non-subjects. not real work. so, not only do they not understand art or how to appreciate it, they also feel if it's not real work then it stands to reason that you don't need real people to produce art.
(DIR) Post #AsVii74wCQUzJtRAgq by jtnystrom@genomic.social
2025-03-28T10:33:09Z
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@futurebird Now what if they invested as much money as they've invested in that image generator in funding the hand-drawn animation industry... the whole thing has me thinking that we as a society misunderstand what we should be automating. Art is not something we should try to make more efficient. The effort itself seems essential.
(DIR) Post #AsViuwKhSmTxkzvU8G by jtnystrom@genomic.social
2025-03-28T10:35:29Z
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@futurebird @dotsie @ainmosni I have that reaction to AI generated music to some degree. I think synthesizers and electronic music was very controversial when they first came, but time has shown that they are totally fine - at least when you can feel the human intention and expression through the tools. Will we ever feel that through AI generated media?
(DIR) Post #AsVjULuOMiGNDKVU0W by GoblinQuester@dice.camp
2025-03-28T10:41:52Z
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@futurebird Did you see this article? If ChatGPT users expresses addiction behaviour it may actually be that their brain can't see the problem in the same way as alcoholics "edits" their reality to ignore all the problems. https://futurism.com/the-byte/chatgpt-dependence-addiction
(DIR) Post #AsVjXrIK85LNQON9w8 by dotsie@mastodon.social
2025-03-28T10:42:32Z
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@futurebird @ainmosni I’m a musician (though not for a living) so yes very much, particularly since a most of the income to be made in that industry now for normal artists is via sync licensing for commercials etc. which is going to be prime content that in-house AI will dominate. We’ll get a regression to the mean across the board, which I know you’re very familiar with. Some “muzak” is actually good and I’ll die on that hill.
(DIR) Post #AsVkmckCbqMIaz17bc by Phosphenes@mastodon.social
2025-03-28T10:56:22Z
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@futurebird @dotsie @ainmosni I am seeing a lot of human creativity in the use of AI media lately. Some of it I like. La Fête Triste, writes their own lyrics and refines AI-generated music to match:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYW_J3FwaUIDoopiidoo, a real artist who now uses AI:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmEmucbN_DgThe universe of Neural Viz:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzMeA_QO1cAAre real artists and musicians being cheated? Yes. But I'd argue that with no human creative input the product is boring crap that can't compete.
(DIR) Post #AsVmcPfAadI52NvDk0 by guitargabe@musicians.today
2025-03-28T11:16:55Z
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@futurebird @dotsie @ainmosni I’ve encountered it more this year than ever before, with many people as part of one of my songwriting communities using it to produce demos. My thought? You’ll never get anything interesting out of what is effectively a tool to produce the “average” song. It’s all dull, uninteresting, and lacks anything approaching wit (this is true both in lyrics and audio). I’m fine with it for mastering, but it’s useless everywhere else.
(DIR) Post #AsVnCgeusQP8As6H5M by janvenetor@mastodontti.fi
2025-03-28T11:23:30Z
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@futurebird @dotsie @ainmosni the droning stuff on spotify before I closed my subscription was just.. meh. It works on a surface level as background noise.As art goes, germans have a word for it. I think it's all Kitcsh. It's all imitation, it copies the beauty but not the good in arthttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsch
(DIR) Post #AsVppoMsLfXFHlRg8m by glennseto@mastodon.social
2025-03-28T11:52:57Z
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@futurebird Recent political shifts, everything getting commodified under capital and what generative AI is doing to art keep me coming back to the concept of "anti-life" from Jack Kirby's Fourth World.(Applying the term, however facetiously, to phenomena and people I dislike is in itself an act of othering I'm not super-comfortable with, by the way.)
(DIR) Post #AsVq1IhjtlHYYegOVk by superflippy@mastodon.xyz
2025-03-28T11:55:03Z
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@futurebird @dotsie @ainmosni Yes. I’m a songwriter & I feel strongly that AI generated music is dead, repetitive, uncreative slop.
(DIR) Post #AsVqXE70VaNha6j19M by sima@chaos.social
2025-03-28T12:00:49Z
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@futurebird I have the same vague "this completely lacks any soul and is dead" impression from llm generated text and other stuffand yeah not sure why people don't spot this
(DIR) Post #AsVr09rnN6B0oRPCVc by abmurrow@fosstodon.org
2025-03-28T12:06:04Z
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@futurebird "But wait!" the AI folks yell, frothing from the mouth, "What about when AI gets *even better*?"
(DIR) Post #AsVrxElOoCYD5LaJai by coolcoder360@mastodon.gamedev.place
2025-03-28T12:16:41Z
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@futurebird @dotsie @ainmosni Most AI music that I've known was AI (coming from a generator sent by others) had overly popular themes and tunes, and often didn't have very good song structure or the lyrics weren't very structured. I think the space though where I've possibly been listening to AI music and not realizing, is in the background instrumental genres, such as lofi, and the related genres similar to lofi.YouTube has a lot of channels that post AI lofi music.
(DIR) Post #AsVsDSN3z4pdvBw5KK by felichsdakatze@mastodon.social
2025-03-28T12:19:40Z
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@futurebird @ainmosni No, honestly as someone who has spent far too much time with these types, it's pretty much on the money. They honestly think they can just make anything, as long as they can create the right algorithm. So they see no value in people actually doing it, for realsies.They miss that at best they are just mimicking existing works (in whatever realm) and are actually creating nothing.But honestly, they just can't see it.
(DIR) Post #AsVvekdGUrGGEtDkX2 by koen_hufkens@mastodon.social
2025-03-28T12:58:13Z
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@futurebird There is also a GHIBLI memecoin riding the wave. "insult to life" is on the mark.https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2025/03/27/studio-ghilbi-memecoins-raffle-on-ethereum-solana-as-openai-s-4o-unleashes-new-trend
(DIR) Post #AsVvlXKMMXI10Ac60u by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-03-28T12:59:28Z
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@koen_hufkens I feel sick. Physically ill. Disgusting.
(DIR) Post #AsVxMzOT4kIyiTxRTM by georgelenzer@mastodon.social
2025-03-28T13:17:25Z
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@futurebird I played around with Stable Diffusion for a bit about three years ago. I had it generate "1970s SciFi book cover art" style images. It was ok-ish at what it did, but... every image had flaws that were just unworkable. And, even when I asked it to generate other images, there was a sameness to them that really felt like a statistical bias toward whatever artists were most used as the training data. That was annoying.
(DIR) Post #AsVy6Eybz8tm4rRPk0 by georgelenzer@mastodon.social
2025-03-28T13:20:47Z
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@futurebird As an electronic musician I find AI to be a potentially interesting tool to COLLABORATE with. I would love to train and AI on my musical style and see what writing prompts it could give back to me to improve on. But I can see how more traditional musicians who work with older acoustic instruments might see AI as less valid. I was a piano player before I was a synth gear head. I absolutely prefer the expressiveness of synths over acoustic instruments. But, that is MY opinion. I...
(DIR) Post #AsVy6FxaKRfh7xy6mO by georgelenzer@mastodon.social
2025-03-28T13:23:25Z
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@futurebird ...remember when people back in the 80s talked about how electronic music was "soulless". I suspect that same split applies here. I have only played with Udio for an idea of what AI generated music sounds like. Some of it is comically bad. Some of it sounds like what I call "movie rock" (the crappy rock music used in low rent movies of the 1980s/1990s). Some of it is perfectly useable for a purpose. For example it does a good job with music for children. Simple melodies, simple...
(DIR) Post #AsVyWbm3qZLcJP8yfo by noodlemaz@med-mastodon.com
2025-03-28T13:30:21Z
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@futurebird @dotsie @ainmosni yes. GenAI anything makes me seethe. No artform is above another. Music is not superior or inferior to written or visual art.Anyone who uses one form is shitting on those artists. The existence of each is an insult to the other. The arts overlap, artists should support each other.I've seen musicians go hard for genAI visuals, it's disgusting to me. They aren't respecting the millions who had their art stolen so that those tools could be pushed to the public.
(DIR) Post #AsVybtsRy3LluCeiAa by bloodripelives@federatedfandom.net
2025-03-28T13:31:18Z
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@futurebird I suspect part of this is that the way AI music seems to be used is intentionally discouraging anyone from giving enough of their attention to it to evaluate it on artistic merits. Here's a post https://www.honest-broker.com/p/the-ugly-truth-about-spotify-is-finally about Spotify filling up their playlists with it-- the goal isn't really for you to "like" it, the goal is for you to be so used to "music" as inoffensive ambient noise that you simply allow it to keep playing without wondering what it is or who made it. Whereas visual art you have to spend at least a moment with it in front of your eyes, occupying your attention.
(DIR) Post #AsVz8HjKonB39Ppmk4 by draeath@infosec.exchange
2025-03-28T13:37:10Z
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@futurebird @dotsie @ainmosni AI music (that I've known was AI, at least) makes me grind my teeth. To me, it sounds too... random and meandering, like a run-on sentence of non-sequiturs.Honestly I've had the same feelings from some (rather famous/influential) jazz, various solos, and non-western music - so I'm not sold that it's the AI itself that I'm picking up on but something closer to just... preference?
(DIR) Post #AsW1V0ZcyJgsVeFz5k by tripleman@mastodon.social
2025-03-28T14:03:43Z
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@futurebird They have zero self reflection.It's like when the whole red pill crowd just sprinted right past the trans theme of The Matrix and how estrogen pills were literally red. They just kept right on thinking they were Morpheus and pretended the Wachowskis never existed.
(DIR) Post #AsW3DYsUtFxDb9tKe8 by vaurora@mstdn.social
2025-03-28T14:22:56Z
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@futurebird @nyrath I saw the Ghibli AI version of the the distracted boyfriend meme, and everyone's face is totally wrong! The boyfriend is looking at his girlfriend grumpily, instead of admiring the red dress woman. The girlfriend appears to be looking at the red dress woman and vice versa because the depth of plane is totally flat and they all seem to be the same distance from the viewer. The entire human interaction of the photo is lost!!!
(DIR) Post #AsW4i36FBtzbyGQH9U by BoysenberryCider@mastodon.social
2025-03-28T14:39:40Z
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@futurebird @ainmosni AI is a tool of a capitalist, and it's value is compliance.They cannot love or respect, how could they enjoy art? They value AI because it doesn't talk back, it does nothing they don't understand, and it doesn't ask to be taken on its own terms.AI is their trophy wife. They wouldn't care if she was dead under her make-up, so long as people say 'he's married to a hot chick'. They don't love studio Ghibli, they know we do.It is their true art, because it is numb.
(DIR) Post #AsW5d1tIMFsijCXJyK by schwa@mastodon.social
2025-03-28T14:49:55Z
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@futurebird you had the answer and then sailed right past it at the last minute.
(DIR) Post #AsW6LE9g7Z2xVTH5uq by sharan@metalhead.club
2025-03-28T14:57:55Z
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@futurebird Let's respect our melodramatic artists.
(DIR) Post #AsW72epwnKOgi7krXk by paelse@mastodon.online
2025-03-28T15:05:48Z
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@futurebird @dotsie @ainmosni Haven't noticed it if I ever heard AI music.Made a taichi video and needed some background music. Hate that Chinese music so typical for taichi videos, so spent a lot of time looking for some ambient music. Nothing worked, it all of it had some some feel of intention.Settled for the least offensive music generated by the editing software (auto-generated video background music has been avaiable long before AI)Last week a student said she really liked it 🥹
(DIR) Post #AsWACybyQZbonapZey by MartyFouts@mastodon.online
2025-03-28T15:41:17Z
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@futurebird @dotsie @ainmosni I am a musician and I have friends with degrees in music who are composers. To us, “AI” covers a lot more than just the current crop of generative ML things. I would say that ML has not produced very good models yet; and that the current approach is unlikely to. On the other hand I don’t think even people who are involved in recording don’t know the extent of AI in music production or how long it’s been used. /1
(DIR) Post #AsWB2TrI0m5KTjYOKe by TomasHradcky@musicians.today
2025-03-28T15:50:33Z
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@futurebird @dotsie @ainmosni I hear it in every aspect of a piece, melody, phrasing, mix choices, instumentation etc etc etc. There is still a human guiding the choices and if they think ai will bring the expertise or musical instinct to their creation then they are more then lost causes.
(DIR) Post #AsWD2MemzF0A3FmMjo by NamelessLad06@social.vivaldi.net
2025-03-28T16:12:58Z
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@futurebird He was referring to something else in a 2016 interview. Specifically, it was a crude demo of using an AI-generated zombie animation for possible use in a video game. Granted, I do think he would have a similar reaction to this.
(DIR) Post #AsWNb7uKobH7z6GUT2 by CStamp@mastodon.social
2025-03-28T18:11:19Z
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@futurebird It's like those evil pieces of crap are trying to rub his nose in their evil crap.
(DIR) Post #AsWRhGYVyTM4MOF3Zo by VVitchy@pagan.plus
2025-03-28T18:32:52Z
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@futurebird @ainmosni The line of logic falls into the same ditch as 'school shooters were bullied so they did this'. It's tidy, it's simple, sounds plausible until examined. Then it rips like tissue paper in a Spring storm.My theory (feel free to dissect and point out holes) is that the je ne sais quoi that makes one creative is lacking or missing entirely from these people. They don't have a fully functional, internal concept of art, and more importantly creativity. To them art is just 'a thing' the same way a bollard outside a store is largely 'just a thing occupying space' to most people. Art is a thing to be commodified and reduced to simplest elements.This paradigm is starkly noticeable amongst people that lean towards authoritarianism views. Art isn't art, its a 'thing' of value to be sold, traded, or hung as a trophy to be flaunted.They can't distinguish between art and slop, because it's the same to them.
(DIR) Post #AsWmMOsPwLBv7iRWFM by tuban_muzuru@ohai.social
2025-03-28T22:48:44Z
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@futurebird I don't know if it's actually a koan, I was told the parable by a Buddhist roshi:A worshipper in a temple had placed a statue of the Buddha on a shelf, with many others. She would burn incense to it, and when other worshippers would burn incense to their images, she would divert the smoke to her statue.In consequence, her Buddha had a dirty black nose, very ug;y.
(DIR) Post #AsXG2mUxP31dDZ1xHk by Agrippina_Siderea@dice.camp
2025-03-29T04:21:21Z
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@futurebird It's not that they don't see it. It's that they don't care.
(DIR) Post #AsbfvQCbH9g7TtR2wq by swetland@chaos.social
2025-03-31T07:30:09Z
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@futurebird Has he commented on the new AI stuff? I thought everyone was just referencing a video clip from a few years ago where he got a demo of AI driven animation that really was quite horrific. The "insult to life" reaction there felt entirely justified.I've only seen stills of the more recent "innovations" here, but it's all pretty soulless. This continues to be the crowd that is convinced that the "hard part" of creative endeavors is the idea and everything else is just gatekeeping.