Post AsOc2VlsvnoAv1T2xc by jenesuispasgoth@pouet.chapril.org
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(DIR) Post #AsOa9BJhBDAxbAKp8a by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-03-24T23:54:16Z
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I've been reading about the concerns about "over tourism" at Mont St Michel. And there are some legitimate reasons to be concerned...HOWEVER. I do think it's kind of ballsey to complain that too many people are showing up from all over the world at the... *checks notes* thousand year old pilgrimage site? Am I being unfair?A bunch of articles vaugly complaining that people have posted photos of Mont St Michel on social media "now everything is ruined."But, isn't that ... the tradition?
(DIR) Post #AsOaEAcVCIp0syVhqq by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-03-24T23:55:10Z
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Times Square is a pilgrimage site. You can't complain about the people ... they show up there, that is the whole purpose.
(DIR) Post #AsOaTA77MUJ5ewym36 by specter@eattherich.club
2025-03-24T23:57:49Z
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@futurebird and with chaos sewn so broadly it would make sense that a spark of spiritual inquisition would sweep the people, to me anyway
(DIR) Post #AsOaqjRWAvj3tIlCBU by jenesuispasgoth@pouet.chapril.org
2025-03-25T00:02:03Z
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@futurebird the (religious) pilgrimage aspect is extremely small though. It's mostly a very popular location for tourists. I haven't been in years, so it must have changed quite a bit despite the hundreds-of-years-old buildings.It's different from, say, Paris, which is very touristy, and even though I grumble a lot when trying to walk from point A to point B, I accept that this is how things are (will still grumble quite a bit anyway, as is my right as a former intra-muros Parisian!).
(DIR) Post #AsOaxMNqJ7zkOvCZ16 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-03-25T00:03:20Z
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@jenesuispasgoth I don't know if the old religious pilgrimages were always entirely about religion either.
(DIR) Post #AsObLgbSmauw3rAjbs by flaneurben@urbanists.social
2025-03-25T00:07:40Z
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@futurebird I went to Mont st Michel 30 years ago and it was a tacky tourist trap then (but beautiful seen through the mist across the water)
(DIR) Post #AsOc2VlsvnoAv1T2xc by jenesuispasgoth@pouet.chapril.org
2025-03-25T00:15:26Z
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@futurebird if we're talking before the 20th century, they most certainly were a true pilgrimage location (the once-in-a-lifetime kind). Of course it was also the opportunity to visit a big city (for the time), but such a trip must have been very expensive for people who often had modest means, so I'm not sure about the logistics and actual costs (I may be overthinking all this; I'm probably too tired to think straight).
(DIR) Post #AsOcL3ldH2urZGC5E8 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-03-25T00:18:48Z
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@EricLawton I'll cheerfully endorse people taking selfies next to The Photogenic Thing over people carving their name in the thing, or chipping little bits off of it... or buying ... suspect "relics"Victorian tourists were a scourge. I dare say things have gotten better for places like say the pyramids or stonehenge.
(DIR) Post #AsOdKeBWUMDOBBffea by gbargoud@masto.nyc
2025-03-25T00:29:54Z
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@futurebird @EricLawton A fun thing with Egyptian touristic sites is that sometimes you see ancient Roman or Greek graffiti that is basically historic in its own right.
(DIR) Post #AsOdRO0J2zbw1RdcCe by DrHyde@fosstodon.org
2025-03-25T00:31:05Z
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@futurebird @EricLawton and not just the Victorians. People everywhere have always done this. “Oh Walls which hold such tedious graffiti”, as one Roman wag scrawled on a wall in Herculaneum. Also my phone keeps wanting to auto cow wreck it to giraffe.
(DIR) Post #AsOePSYnEhvtWoPjyi by nosword@localization.cafe
2025-03-25T00:41:55Z
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@futurebird Yeah... There are similar issues in Japan around places like Mt. Fuji. Over here, when you take a closer look, you often find that the people complaining usually never wanted more random tourists in the first place (e.g. local residents who weren't in desperate need of tourist dollars). But it's silly to blame tourists for seeing government-sponsored PR that says "Mt. Fuji is the soul of Japan! An unmissable sight!" and then deciding they want to see it.
(DIR) Post #AsOeyfMBeNwvLsIzuC by sewblue@sfba.social
2025-03-25T00:48:20Z
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@futurebird Yosemite is like this these days.Because cars.I've been there and not been able to find parking to take a hike.One one had, cars. On the other hand, how do you get some place that remote without one? Public transit is great once you are in the park, but basically non-existent getting there.
(DIR) Post #AsOf4srMMOe2y2qpRg by realtegan@wandering.shop
2025-03-25T00:49:20Z
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@futurebird @EricLawton "Take only pictures, leave only memories."
(DIR) Post #AsOkd0bSZlP8bHVOqG by quinn@social.circl.lu
2025-03-25T01:29:14Z
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@futurebird @EricLawton it's tough though, one of the coolest things I've ever seen is the nordic runes carved in the stone of the hagia sophia by vikings who had sailed from Scandinavia.
(DIR) Post #AsOktPmGkJKnJJNtNw by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-03-25T01:54:39Z
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@Wyatt_H_Knott @sunumbral Wendigoon on youTube has an excellent summary of the book (he liked it but if you know him that makes sense) I was happy to find out enough about it to see some of the things it did. But, I do NOT need to read that mess. I don't need to have violence explained to me like that I know what it is. And I think a lot of the status it has is all edge.But, there is a little something there. IMO. Yes this is a five hour video. https://youtu.be/eu6STuj4njw?si=gM1EKCKm9m6Eje8n
(DIR) Post #AsOl5Ylb9NDWfHrUNk by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-03-25T01:56:52Z
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@Wyatt_H_Knott @sunumbral And more than a movie I think having some guy tell it to you like a ghost story, or like someone at a party telling you about some horrible evil art film they saw once is the correct way to consume this kind of content. At one remove. Because I legit think it could be trauma inducing to read for many people. And not just sensitive ones either. Or just skip it. But, if you are curious here is an option.
(DIR) Post #AsOlOTfoJMZ0N1AviK by ShiitakeToast@beige.party
2025-03-25T02:00:03Z
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@futurebird When I visited, someone was sick and they landed a full-size rescue helicopter right in the middle of the hill. I think it can handle the foot traffic.
(DIR) Post #AsOlPbwZ33YeJFYIXw by sunumbral@beige.party
2025-03-25T02:00:26Z
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@futurebird Wow, 5 hours. Thanks, i guess 😆 I'm curious now why I stopped, I do remember not being able to pick it back up at some point.
(DIR) Post #AsOld6QF2a28bNrns0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-03-25T02:02:54Z
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@Wyatt_H_Knott @sunumbral I see no hijacking. :)
(DIR) Post #AsOm2TALcKy8NbWoz2 by nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social
2025-03-25T02:07:18Z
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@futurebird @Wyatt_H_Knott @sunumbral myrmepropagandist is super neat about not just allowing, but generally inviting discussions. All sorts of neat things come up here, some completely out of the blue even.
(DIR) Post #AsOn3aPuFBRz6ztzzk by sunumbral@beige.party
2025-03-25T02:18:53Z
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@futurebird I started watching it, I think it will answer my question at a safer remove.
(DIR) Post #AsPCbXjdDdvBUhPvVo by jfrench@cupoftea.social
2025-03-25T07:05:05Z
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@futurebird mostly they don't carve their name. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/tourist-etched-partners-name-colosseum-says-didnt-know-was-ancient-apo-rcna92825
(DIR) Post #AsPZkuTMLfzLZ7F1yS by llewelly@sauropods.win
2025-03-25T11:24:33Z
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@futurebird @EricLawton in my heart I believe a 14th century tourist visited the Sphinx in Egypt, and tried to take its nose as souvenir, but left with a pile of rubble.
(DIR) Post #AsPcoSiFngjeUUarmC by nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social
2025-03-25T00:40:05Z
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@DrHyde @futurebird @EricLawton (Really confused why people still use autocorrect instead of just turning it off and using the suggestions bar...)I wonder if early pilgrimage sites had to separate things out just because they knew people would ultimately... be people. Like maybe a forward facing area for the pilgrims to deface and then back areas they weren't allowed into.
(DIR) Post #AsPcoTsvRUrk7sau36 by llewelly@sauropods.win
2025-03-25T11:52:05Z
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@nazokiyoubinbou @DrHyde @futurebird @EricLawton it's easier to explain how to use pointers in C than it is to explain how to turn off autoincorrect on a modern phone.back on topic: modern archaeological investigations revealed early Roman-era repairs and modifications to the Sphinx, probably made both to repair damage done by tourists, and yet attract more.
(DIR) Post #AsPhdDFJSscz6gVnns by skittles@berlin.social
2025-03-25T12:52:47Z
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@futurebird Well, define scourge… There’s more tourists each year now than humans were alive in 1850. About 7% of all humans who ever lived (we’re talking about the last 200k years here) are alive right now. So whatever numbers those places saw over the thousands of years, the vast majority was likely during our lifetime. I’ve seen tourism change over the last 40y in Europe, and it’s not good. @EricLawton
(DIR) Post #AsPsNL79Xdq0NAKRxg by EricFielding@mastodon.social
2025-03-25T14:53:09Z
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@futurebird I suspect they are complaining indirectly about the “kind” of tourists visiting, not the number.