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(DIR) Post #AsO2YbH4PUEOu23WhE by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-03-24T03:16:30Z
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“They want 1939 Germany but they're going to get 1789 France if they keep fucking around.”✅
(DIR) Post #AsO2YbrwCPiokNIyA4 by xs4me2@mastodon.social
2025-03-24T07:47:30Z
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@benroyce Its not going to end wel nor normally…
(DIR) Post #AsO2YcZtYysqwhs4g4 by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-03-24T12:35:25Z
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@xs4me2i remind myself of #fascist #spain under #franco and look at spain todaydoesn't mean spain is utopia todaydoesn't mean "it's going to be ok, relax"it means getting better is realbut:1. we have a lot fucking work to do2. there is a lot of fucking suffering ahead of us3. do not accept #pessimism #cynicism nor #capitulationas long as we *fight* we can right this rotten shipbiggest ally of #maga:lazy indifference#americans:get off your fucking asses and fight#usa
(DIR) Post #AsO2Ydo6zbqkl5WwTY by jm101@mstdn.party
2025-03-24T12:42:25Z
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@benroyce @xs4me2 Not sure What it’s going to take 💯👍
(DIR) Post #AsO2YeGpGqooC8xsES by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-03-24T12:48:24Z
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@jm101 @xs4me2i know what it's going to takeit's been really fucking easy since fucking gore v bush in 2000:you stupid fucking lazy ass moronic americans:YOU. NEED. TO. FUCKING. #VOTE.if it comes to molotov cocktails then i'm throwing molotov cocktailsbut that's a failuresome airhead fuckwits romanticize that bullshitit's massive suffering!narcissistic college sophomores cosplaying revolutionary thinking they're in a fucking movie: deeply cringejust fucking vote shitheads
(DIR) Post #AsO2YeyQejhGNNMhCC by otownKim@toot.community
2025-03-24T13:30:46Z
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@benroyce @jm101 @xs4me2 Elmo messed with our votes!! That and Russian interference aren't helping. However I agree wholeheartedly that people need to fucking vote!!!!!!!!!
(DIR) Post #AsO2Yfirs4qMhP5ma0 by mark@mastodon.fixermark.com
2025-03-24T17:08:35Z
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@otownKim @benroyce @jm101 @xs4me2 With respect (because I'm a poll worker and take this stuff seriously): I wish fewer people would joke about this stuff.Elmo didn't do shit. I sat behind the table and looked at people coming in, then saw the returns that night. Even with anonymous votes, at the level of an individual polling station you can gauge the vibe of the room by the familiar faces you see and the familiar faces you don't.People just didn't show up to vote for Harris. Period. I thought lefties had learned their lesson in 2016, but apparently I gave them too much credit and they needed to be told twice.
(DIR) Post #AsO2YgDi1PVuF3WPeS by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T17:37:39Z
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@mark > People just didn't show up to vote for Harris. Period. I thought lefties had learned their lesson in 2016, but apparently I gave them too much credit and they needed to be told twiceFunny, I was thinking exactly the same thing about the Democrat leadership and their candidates choices. The left didn't turn up, because they didn't have a candidate on the ballot. Period.@roknrol @otownKim @benroyce @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsO2q9pPC2AOzaUJGa by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-03-24T17:40:58Z
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@strypey @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 that's not the way it worksyou have it backwardsyou don't get your candidate, and then you show upyou show up, and then you get your candidateyou're shifting blame away from lazy entitlementlazy entitlement is the problem and why we don't see more candidates on the leftpeople better fucking show up in #primaries2026 like a fucking mob
(DIR) Post #AsO3D4HA0E6iQsOWfo by mark@mastodon.fixermark.com
2025-03-24T17:44:58Z
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@strypey @roknrol @otownKim @benroyce @jm101 @xs4me2 It'd be cool if the left lived in a country that reflected what they wanted.Since they don't, there's a harm-reduction choice and a harm choice, and I thought that after living the harm-choice from 2016 to 2020 the left got that when they voted for Biden and then we had four relatively-peaceful years.But I guess not.
(DIR) Post #AsO60qIQS6qFSlqfS4 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T18:16:31Z
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@benroyce > you don't get your candidate, and then you show upSo in a parallel universe where the candidate choices were reversed, you'd be dressing down the left for not turning up for Drumpf, and blaming them for Harris and her techbro mates demolishing the federal government? Spare me.> lazy entitlement is the problemSure is. The Democrats think they're entitled to the left's votes, however right wing their candidates. Turns out they're not 🤷♂️@mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsO6F2oQiLK4KraeVk by mark@mastodon.fixermark.com
2025-03-24T18:19:05Z
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@strypey @benroyce @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 Sorry, I don't think I follow your hypothetical. Parallel universe where the candidate choices were reversed in what sense? Where Trump was running as the Dem candidate and Harris as the GOP?
(DIR) Post #AsO6IehQJ8oai02Dgm by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-03-24T17:51:19Z
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@midgephoto @strypey @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2i just got in argument with an australian about how much voting and parties suck in australiai don't doubt them, but as an american i got really angry because they have ranked choice (what they call preferential voting)that's like nirvana to mebut, it's whiny assholes all over the worldeveryone gets some shit, but some don't understand how good they have it in comparisonwhich is also the reason why the usa is going to hell
(DIR) Post #AsO6IfsnuJVqNaMp4C by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T18:19:44Z
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@benroyce > as an american i got really angry because they have ranked choiceWith you on this one. If the US gets a second go at creating a democracy, a proportional representation system for major elections is a must-have. Having voted in both MMP and ranked choice elections, I definitely recommend the latter.@midgephoto @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsO6VBziLM7rRjZIZc by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-03-24T18:22:01Z
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@strypey @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2"i'm not lifting a finger until angels sing and magic perfect candidate appears"🤣🤣🤣you're the problem in the worldyou really areyou need to fucking voteand when you do, you get what you wantif you don't you get nothingthat's itthat's rock of gibraltar realityno one owes you a fucking thingyou owe the world to show the fuck updo you understand?if you don't, as i said, your lazy entitled whiny bs is the problem in the world
(DIR) Post #AsO6XYKKHbMdHwKoyG by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-03-24T17:47:05Z
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@mark @strypey @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 it's a reason v emotion thingyou would hope people would understand cold strategy: you vote for better and you iteratethat worksbut unfortunately people are an emotional mobwe can't depend upon their brains, there's not enough brains out therewe need to feed their heartsso what we need is a real leftist candidatemore milquetoast centrist dems is the path to more magalazy assholes better fucking show up to the #primaries2026
(DIR) Post #AsO6XZeZLp9PP0oVA8 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T18:22:31Z
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@benroyce > so what we need is a real leftist candidate. more milquetoast centrist dems is the path to more magaThis!@mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsO6gxBHFHXAyhaKJ6 by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-03-24T18:24:10Z
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@strypey @midgephoto @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 rightand we get that chinageBY SHOWING THE FUCK UP AND VOTINGjesus fucking christ
(DIR) Post #AsO6nIvHK2qQ9B874S by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-03-24T18:25:18Z
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@strypey @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 yesso people need to show up in the primaries in 2026AND VOTEhello???
(DIR) Post #AsO74ZpdhxhfVpjETQ by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-03-24T18:03:47Z
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@Darkphoenix @mark @strypey @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 plutocrat controlled media: "sounds like woke communism"😠
(DIR) Post #AsO74avLeDrctpPJ0i by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T18:28:26Z
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@benroyce > plutocrat controlled media: "sounds like woke communism"Let's not pretend the whole mediasphere is on Orange Stalin's side. That's what his mob do ("liberal media"), they're equally wrong.You're right that media is a key battleground though. We have tools now for parties to build their own media and communicate directly with members and supporters, yet they're still doing it via platforms that have a dog in the race. Why?@Darkphoenix @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsO7IadHWnAA39d8MK by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-03-24T18:30:57Z
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@strypey @Darkphoenix @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 100% falsetraditional media is dying. so plutocrats move in via vulture capital and take over the managing editor positionsall of the legacy tv and newspapers are now outright maga or controlled opposition going "well gee trump has some good points, and the left needs to calm down", etcare you in new zealand?you really have no clue how bad it is over here
(DIR) Post #AsO7XiJXFai8DXbbo8 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T18:33:44Z
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@mark> Where Trump was running as the Dem candidate and Harris as the GOP?Exactly.@benroyce @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsO7kTEaczklDGNKPw by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-03-24T18:35:58Z
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@strypey @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 oh i get it nowif red was blue and blue was red🤣 what the fuck are you talking about?you're flipping things not to demonstrate a point, but just to write something that makes no sense
(DIR) Post #AsO7s0mQIvIfHQnRUO by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T18:37:24Z
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@benroyceYou can shoot the messenger all you want. But the hard truth is that nobody was excited enough about voting for Harris to get their friends out to vote for her. That's on the muppets who thought anointing an heir was a better idea than holding a primary 🤷♂️Also, Orange Stalin wouldn't have even got a first term if Dem plutocrats hadn't screwed Bernie out of a nomination he arguably won. So there's that.@mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsO87MdTKNnlPLvjhw by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T18:40:11Z
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@benroyce > and we get that change. BY SHOWING THE FUCK UP AND VOTINGNo, you don't. What get by voting is Clinton and Obama. To get electoral reform you have to make a credible threat to tear capitalism a new one, so radical changes to the electoral system seem like the lesser evil. The idea that voting in effectively rigged elections changes anything is magical thinking.@midgephoto @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsO8HlEGkDtCZy6DTM by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-03-24T18:41:59Z
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@strypey @midgephoto @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 with all due respect, you haven't the slightest fucking clueyou don't get any of the shit you want, that i also want, unless you votei can't say anything to youif you can't grasp why, there's nothing else to be said between us, because you're absolutely clueless
(DIR) Post #AsO8ZFbp2up7ivSKgK by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T18:45:12Z
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@benroyce > so people need to show up in the primaries in 2026... and the Dem leadership need to be restrained from interfering in the primary process if it doesn't look to be producing the results they want. The Democratic party needs constitutional reform, just as much as the country and the GoP do.@mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsO8oXbwOiCftonoTw by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-03-24T18:47:57Z
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@strypey @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 and who is going to be in a position to do that deep political thinker?you want the power to do the right thingthen you argue against what you most do to get that power:vote!i'm smacking my forehead so hard my ears are ringing
(DIR) Post #AsO8rZOIEizcHvrZJI by CStamp@mastodon.social
2025-03-24T18:27:16Z
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@Darkphoenix @benroyce @mark @strypey @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 Folk could've voted for that in Nov. :(
(DIR) Post #AsO8radDciWg8Vr0DI by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T18:48:24Z
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@CStamp > Folk could've voted for that in NovYou're kidding yourself. Harris had no intention of taxing her rich SillyConValley mates, and had no plan for overturning Citizens United and ending decades of structural corruption benefiting individuals on both sides of the aisle, at the expense of the public good. I'm not sure she could have delivered anything in that policy shopping list, even if she wanted to.@Darkphoenix @benroyce @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsO8y4EeTDjhgjS3jU by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-03-24T18:49:39Z
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@strypey @CStamp @Darkphoenix @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 oh ok, so now we're onto "well harris isn't perfect, so don't vote so we get trump" level genius
(DIR) Post #AsO91d0ReKgcOfVKls by CStamp@mastodon.social
2025-03-24T18:50:18Z
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@strypey @Darkphoenix @benroyce @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 So burn the country down and take as much of the rest of the world as possible!!! She would've made positive changes, especially if she had been given a supportive Congress and Senate. Unlike, <waves around>.
(DIR) Post #AsO9ssljm4ucdG1DHM by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T18:59:57Z
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@benroyce Seems you're fundamentally incapable of understanding how right wing neocon candidates like Clinton and Harris look to most of the left. Just like the Democrats. Which is why they keep losing, and blaming literally *anything* but their unelectable candidates 🤷♂️@mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsO9vclxhm6RtBQnEO by mark@mastodon.fixermark.com
2025-03-24T19:00:10Z
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@strypey @benroyce @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 False premise along several axes. You're pretending voters (and the parties) are spherical cows.Trump switched to the GOP because he was unelectable in the Democratic party process. The GOP is more populist than the Democratic party by its constitution.
(DIR) Post #AsOA13LMLI3xkGZo3M by mark@mastodon.fixermark.com
2025-03-24T19:01:23Z
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@strypey @benroyce @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 Concur that the party has a problem where it thinks that continuing to front centrists as the center runs to the right will maximize their odds of winning.However... If the voters respond to that by not voting, they get the country they deserve. All of them.
(DIR) Post #AsOAFIQt2Q9Cb6xBlA by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-03-24T19:03:59Z
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@strypey @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 rightso don't vote for the spineless democratsso we get trumpgenius!🤣 🤣 🤣
(DIR) Post #AsOAIPBIP5LyOe8xkm by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T19:04:35Z
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@benroyce > all top legacy tv and newspapers are now outright maga or controlled oppositionMaybe now. But not the case before the election.> are you in new zealand?Yes.> you really have no clue how bad it is over hereMaybe not. But given that NZ has basically been a vassal state of the US since Britain got smashed by WW2, I don't think the differences between there and here are as great as you imagine.@Darkphoenix @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsOAWroyiXU1HBbJ0C by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T19:07:09Z
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@Darkphoenix > I read those same oligarchs are buying up Canadian mediaThey're trying to do the same here in Aotearoa, presumably in preparation for next year's election. See the recent news about NZME, one of our biggest media companies;https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/544218/mediawatch-anxiety-over-editorial-policy-and-a-billionaire-on-board-at-nzme@benroyce @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsOAkNZ00mctUIZNRI by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-03-24T19:09:35Z
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@strypey @Darkphoenix @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2"Maybe now. But not the case before the election"you have no fucking clue what you are talking about"> are you in new zealand?Yes."great! so stop thinking you have the right to lecture americans on americai didn't read anymorewe're donei'm ignoring you nowyou don't know shitand you open your ignorant mouthonly cringely demonstrating you don't know shitshall i start spouting dumb lies about new zealand to you?
(DIR) Post #AsOAmMdAS02rAqSwVs by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T19:09:56Z
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@mfennvt > That's some Russian troll talk right therePlease explain the logic underlying that conclusion. Lots of people argued for a primary after Biden stepped down, even in the liberal centre. In hindsight, I think it's pretty obvious wr were right. How does pointing this out make me a Russian or a troll?@benroyce @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsOAyxewbYWTUWItDE by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T19:12:17Z
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@benroyce That's a lot of piss and vinegar there buddy. Hold into that, you're going to need it. But if your strategy consists entirely of voting more you don't even have the first clue about electoral politics. Let alone the revolutionary politics that is clearly required in your current circumstances.@midgephoto @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsOB1sJwuUH9nosB7I by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-03-24T19:12:47Z
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@strypey @midgephoto @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 unreaduninterestedwe're donego lick putin's boot somewhere else
(DIR) Post #AsOB9XBXNMmeZHafS4 by hakona@im.alstadheim.no
2025-03-24T19:14:05Z
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@strypeyIf you are interested in structural corruption, consider if, instead of exhausting everybody's attention by wrecking the stuff that sometimes used to work, they could have followed up on this, which was actually on the Democrats agenda to do: https://iaccseries.org/the-21st-iacc-vilnius-declaration-confronting-global-threats-standing-up-for-integrity/ @CStamp @Darkphoenix @benroyce @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsOBUbjNfZrEkRT8WO by mark@mastodon.fixermark.com
2025-03-24T19:17:54Z
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@strypey @mfennvt @benroyce @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 There was no chance for a primary after Biden stepped down. "That's not how this works, that's not how any of this works."Elections actually cost money, and when they are held is encoded into state law. There is no state with a contingency plan for "If the candidate chosen by the primary process drops out of the race."Traditionally, the contingency plan is... That candidate nominates someone else they support to run in their stead. Everything was done correctly, and if American voters don't know how their own system works, that's on them.Ben's right about heart... Leftists really didn't demonstrate anything approximating a high intelligence or comprehension of the government they propose to provide answers for in this election.And if they don't even understand what's already here enough to be effective, why the fuck should anyone trust them to provide a better alternative?
(DIR) Post #AsOBZ02xCr8FJuibnE by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T19:18:47Z
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@benroyce > then you argue against what you most do to get that power: vote!Is this really the limit of your political imagination. When I lived in China I observed the elections they hold there every year. Would you tell dissidents there that the way to achieved democracy begins and ends with voting? In order for voting to make any difference whatsoever, there needs to be a policy platform worth voting for.@mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsOBmK1QFYhZ2MM35E by mark@mastodon.fixermark.com
2025-03-24T19:21:09Z
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@strypey @midgephoto @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 Nobody is arguing for a strategy consisting entirely of voting more.
(DIR) Post #AsOBu1ewPCjoP3VqPA by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T19:22:35Z
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@benroyce > well harris isn't perfect, so don't votePlease point me to the post where I argued this. If you bothered to check, I actively encouraged voting for Harris once she was confirmed as the candidate. By talking about the ways Orange Stalin would can the few good things the Biden administration had done for internet and media regulation.But they didn't, and unlike some, I'm not deluding myself as to why.@CStamp @Darkphoenix @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsOBzOZSeFDWuUVfay by mark@mastodon.fixermark.com
2025-03-24T19:23:30Z
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@strypey @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 Ben has already dropped you from this conversation for wasting people's time.If you're going to make serious comparisons between the US and Chinese party or electoral process, then I think I'm done too.Read the room and the thread, friend.
(DIR) Post #AsOC5suGm2iujRKxqC by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T19:24:42Z
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@CStamp > So burn the country down and take as much of the rest of the world as possible!!! See my response to @benroyce.> She would've made positive changesWhether or not I believe that, it's pretty clear that most of the US left didn't 🤷♂️@Darkphoenix @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsOC83efmZSieA4um0 by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-03-24T19:24:48Z
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@strypey @CStamp @Darkphoenix @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 i told you we're donei see two replies since thenone more reply and it's a block
(DIR) Post #AsOCSDdqMVWjPZIu1Y by kneworldodor@mastodon.social
2025-03-24T18:49:18Z
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@benroyce @strypey @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 Truth in both.You have to show up and make hard choices to prevent the worst case.You can't assume the masses will do this forever if you don't occasionally give them more than the lesser of two evils.Science says rats will keep trying the button if they are intermittently rewarded. We believe in science right?We also know that victims of trauma with no support often learn to keep their heads down and seek relief in addictions.
(DIR) Post #AsOCSF8MoVXM2WanEu by kneworldodor@mastodon.social
2025-03-24T18:53:09Z
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@benroyce @strypey @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 With politics so dependant on money a better option requires a benevolent benefactor. A new party or a new stance for an existing party.
(DIR) Post #AsOCSGIgTdNreoQXxY by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-03-24T18:54:45Z
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@kneworldodor @strypey @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 a new stance for an existing partybecause the usa is fptp another party will divide the left and guarantee another maga win
(DIR) Post #AsOCSH6fTnMm9poSrw by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T19:28:42Z
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@benroyce > With politics so dependant on money a better option requires a benevolent benefactorOr a grassroots campaign to get money out of politics.> because the usa is fptp another party will divide the leftI think it's pretty obvious to the US left that the Dems are now controlled by the neocon right, and only look left wing by comparison to an openly fascist GoP. The two would split the right vote if there was a left option.@kneworldodor @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsOCcwinbvce7VjkZc by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T19:30:42Z
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@kneworldodor > With politics so dependant on money a better option requires a benevolent benefactorOr maybe a grassroots campaign to expose the bought and paid for candidates on both sides of the aisle, and enact constitutional changes to prevent Big Money from buying elections.@benroyce @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsOCmGkuUgkSrRAb6u by mark@mastodon.fixermark.com
2025-03-24T19:32:20Z
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@strypey @kneworldodor @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 That'd be cool, but what'd be the point if people don't show up to vote anyway? It's just wasted time and effort if the Left responds to what's learned by staying home.
(DIR) Post #AsOCq9M5wx634GPgOG by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T19:33:05Z
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@benroyce > because the usa is fptp another party will divide the leftThe election result makes it pretty obvious that most of the US left now see the Dems being controlled by the neocon right. They only look left wing by comparison to an openly fascist GoP. The two would split the right vote if there was a genuine left option. Especially in ranked choice elections.@kneworldodor @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsOCuiIJzNEQaVpAIa by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-03-24T19:33:52Z
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@strypey @kneworldodor @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 unreadyou were warnedand so here's your blockfucking moron
(DIR) Post #AsOD0Q1uoERtg8s3sG by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T19:34:57Z
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@mark > However... If the voters respond to that by not voting, they get the country they deserve.Do people in Russia deserve Putin of they don't turn up to vote in his rigged elections?@benroyce @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsODBnLSSpypAuR7iK by mark@mastodon.fixermark.com
2025-03-24T19:36:56Z
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@strypey @kneworldodor @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 But that's fairytale logic. Ranked choice elections require a constitutional amendment, friend. The left gets none of these things if they won't even show up to vote enough to get Congress and the Executive on their side, how does one imagine we get to either two-thirds agreeement in both houses of Congress or a 3/4ths-of-all-states ratification?(If the answer is "tear it down," that's not an answer; that's rolling the dice and hoping what comes along after isn't "The KKK is explicitly and Constitutionally in charge of 340 million people and one of the largest nuclear arsenals on the planet").
(DIR) Post #AsODFF3RtgjHz1elM0 by mark@mastodon.fixermark.com
2025-03-24T19:37:32Z
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@strypey @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 Same statement regarding Russian elections as China's elections, friend. We're talking about the US. Different country, radically different system and history.
(DIR) Post #AsODmjqURDTr2IZF0y by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T19:43:39Z
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@mfennvt Whatever. See;https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/114219114670520979
(DIR) Post #AsODshIwnYUstPig6K by kneworldodor@mastodon.social
2025-03-24T19:44:44Z
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@strypey @benroyce @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 Probably one of the attractions of Anonymous.
(DIR) Post #AsOE502KyjZWSqogds by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T19:46:58Z
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@hakona > instead of exhausting everybody's attention by wrecking the stuff that sometimes used to workI'm lost. Who on the left is doing this?> they could have followed up on thisWhat exactly were the action points related to this on the Democrats agenda, and why didn't we hear about them during the election campaign?@CStamp @Darkphoenix @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsOEe0Yd2AmIDOc7FI by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T19:53:15Z
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@mark > If you're going to make serious comparisons between the US and Chinese party or electoral processMy point is that voting is only significant when there are candidates you want to support. As I said to Ben, before he threw his toys out of the cot and blocked me, I argued for a strategic vote for Harris. You can life literally go back to my late 2024 timeline and see for yourself. But she wasn't a candidate the US left wanted to support 🤷♂️@roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsOFEJ4Jgh2I3EkC12 by kneworldodor@mastodon.social
2025-03-24T19:59:49Z
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@strypey @benroyce @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 Yep. One of Trudeaus biggest broken promises."THIS WILL BE THE LAST ELECTION UNDER FIRST PAST THE POST!"Last regime is a decade in the past. 8 year olds then are voters now with little connection to that parties abuses. Time allowed nostalgia to soften memories of shit Harper did. Years of coordinated international anti LPC propaganda twisted the worldview. Now we're playing chicken with Handmaids Tale partnered with Incorporated.
(DIR) Post #AsOFJEFX24EUYLKxLE by mark@mastodon.fixermark.com
2025-03-24T20:00:42Z
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@strypey @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 My point is that voting is only significant when there are candidates you want to supportYes, it is. And my point is that's not how it works in a two-party system, never has been, and if American leftists keep pretending it is in spite of all evidence to the contrary, they will lose their rights in their own country.Do you think fundamentalist Christians actually love billionaire hedonists? They don't. Somehow, they found enough common cause to build consensus in a party. But the Left is so good at finding reasons not to work together that they are, right now, likely to lose everything they want to hold dear.It's a shame, really.
(DIR) Post #AsOFlIi42ivwUi4JO4 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T20:05:45Z
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(1/2)(1/2)@midgephoto > Clinton (either one) looked quite effective and competentClinton I continued Reagan's dismantling of the post-WW2 mixed economy;https://inthesetimes.com/article/bill-clinton-neoliberalism-milton-friedman-democrats-market-capitalismThe one that made the US the envy of the world, and which the Chinese emulated to lift millions of their people out of poverty. Clinton II was a neocon war criminal;https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2016/10/24/hillarys-war-crime/Widely loathed, for this she had a snowball's chance in hell of beating Drumpf. @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsOFp3SsfIEUN5kyZM by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T20:06:30Z
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(2/2)As for Obama;"The 542 drone strikes that Obama authorized killed an estimated 3,797 people, including 324 civilians."https://www.cfr.org/blog/obamas-final-drone-strike-dataOnly an Overton Window where the centre is the leftmost boundary of acceptable discourse allows people to imagine candidates like these as left wing.
(DIR) Post #AsOGoXicnPqlroRNLc by hakona@im.alstadheim.no
2025-03-24T20:17:30Z
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@strypey Current US regime is doing that. You could have had Harris, doing international work to plug the flows of dark money.@CStamp @Darkphoenix @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsOGytQkvX1Q6J1Acy by mls14@social.vivaldi.net
2025-03-24T20:19:26Z
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@strypey @benroyce @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 LOLOLOL We’ve still got Bernie bros who thinks voting for anybody but Bernie is sacrilege, and that Bernie would win everything except he was CHEATED out of it??? Gee, isn’t there another candidate whose brainless followers insisted the same thing when he lost an election? Anybody who is Bernie-or-nobody is de facto MAGA.
(DIR) Post #AsOH5VWyBTbi0J4vEe by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T20:20:41Z
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@mark I'm not sure how to parse this. It doesn't seem to take into account anything else I've said in this conversation. Because my point all along has been that people will vote when there are candidates they are excited to support. No amount of hectoring and badgering will convince them to show up otherwise.I'm not arguing this is how it "should" be. I'm observing that this is how it is.@kneworldodor @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsOHYLaKF2gpYUOqhc by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T20:25:52Z
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(1/2)@mark > But that's fairytale logicSo is expecting the left to keep turning out for increasingly right wing candidates. Also, I note that you've commented at length on my ambitious afterthought, perhaps to avoid responding to the main argument I made there?> how does one imagine we get to either two-thirds agreeement in both houses of Congress or a 3/4ths-of-all-states ratification?Is it not obvious you're beyond this kind of BAU?@kneworldodor @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsOHjk2PfMeMa2yFV2 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-03-24T20:27:58Z
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@mark > But that's fairytale logicSo is expecting the left to keep turning out for increasingly right wing candidates. Also, I note that you've commented at length on my ambitious afterthought, perhaps to avoid responding to the main argument I made there? Which is about a strategy that only needs determined grassroots organising outside the dead end of Dem BaU, not constitutional amendments.@kneworldodor @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsOIwTn3UBo5uLQPvE by hakona@im.alstadheim.no
2025-03-24T20:41:24Z
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@strypey Action points: I don't know.Why you did not hear about it: US does not want to hear about UN, or international treaties. Commitment to first steps was there, gone now.@CStamp @Darkphoenix @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsOJ0eFgX00VVqnvMm by mark@mastodon.fixermark.com
2025-03-24T20:42:06Z
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@strypey @midgephoto @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 Has Hillary Clinton been accused of war crimes by any body with the authority to level such an accusation? If not, why not, given that the ECCHR has a criminal complaint filed against George W. Bush?
(DIR) Post #AsOJ7TuPNwvBSe6v4K by mark@mastodon.fixermark.com
2025-03-24T20:43:23Z
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@strypey @kneworldodor @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 What a dark money investigation will reveal is that every candidate is getting dark money. How do you imagine that will spur the voters who already don't show up?"Oh, good. It's exactly as bad as I thought. Well, my Netflix queue isn't empty, so..."
(DIR) Post #AsOJAubea5Tp89yRuK by hakona@im.alstadheim.no
2025-03-24T20:44:02Z
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@strypey https://www.oecd.org/en/topics/international-standards-on-tax-transparency.html@CStamp @Darkphoenix @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsOJGKISUZlsFvZrdY by hakona@im.alstadheim.no
2025-03-24T20:44:58Z
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@strypey https://www.oecd.org/en/topics/global-minimum-tax.html@CStamp @Darkphoenix @mark @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2
(DIR) Post #AsOJLnlwKXmV7Wyh9c by mark@mastodon.fixermark.com
2025-03-24T20:46:00Z
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@strypey @kneworldodor @roknrol @otownKim @jm101 @xs4me2 I mean, I'd be in favor of determined grassroots organizing from the left. That's not what I see; I see people who can't even organize enough to show up one day of the year, let alone often enough to enact long-strategy policy change.