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(DIR) Post #AsLIAzOm5488Z6Xjge by lamp@kitty.haus
2024-04-18T23:20:35.655710Z
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If you don't hate pedophiles you are a pedophile
(DIR) Post #AsLIB0nGtTJstN0oVc by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2024-04-19T07:31:42.638422Z
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@lamp I'm noticing a strange pattern where some people are thinking about pedophilia all the time out of the blue and constantly expressing their hate for it.I guess some of the cases could be a form of deflection, where someone is a pedophile and hates themselves for it, thus goes online and proclaims their hate by writing about their desires to brutally murder pedophiles with a woodchipper (there is few reasons otherwise one would put in the effort of writing such things after all).I don't care if someone commits the wrongthink of being attracted to prepubescent children - I care about past actions and planned actions, while also knowing that terrible ones made against children are mostly done by sickos that aren't in fact pedophiles.
(DIR) Post #AsLIB1sypjTqHMgt2u by MK2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com
2025-03-23T09:48:47.973795Z
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@Suiseiseki @lamp gnu nigger being a pedo.
(DIR) Post #AsLLYKGMyOIlnXQn1U by divVerent@blob.cat
2025-03-23T10:26:25.913389Z
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@Suiseiseki @lamp To be fair, in part the words are simply confused by people who do not know what they mean.No one wants a child molester. But not every pedophile is a child molester, and - indeed as you say - vice versa.And if someone distributes real CSAI, they are indeed increasing the damage that has already happened to the children depicted. That does need to be punished.But we live in 2025. There are not just hand drawn pictures, you can even generate that sick stuff with AI - even using models that have not been trained with real CSAI, but work in a "transfer" like approach. Where nobody is actually being harmed except for the viewer, I guess.And if someone "uses" that... well that is still sick, but know what? I don't care.
(DIR) Post #AsLLoOynCldr3jsKXo by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-03-23T10:29:33.189912Z
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@divVerent @Suiseiseki @lamp > And if someone "uses" that... well that is still sick, but know what? I don't care.i think that has largely been japan's opinion. they have a whole industry of drawn-only hentai for that and while the UN has been pitching a fit the country still has the lowest rate of actual child touching in the first world. (i've heard some musing that it could be distorted by witheld reporting, ymmv)
(DIR) Post #AsLMFZfZZGSu24qH1U by divVerent@blob.cat
2025-03-23T10:34:28.643867Z
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@icedquinn @Suiseiseki @lamp It is not like Japan has no problems. Just that ain't it.And also, lots of anime usually rated 12 to 14 in most countries could with a strike of a pen become banned CSAI. Right, GAINAX?
(DIR) Post #AsLMxbpCuoI3SWLW3k by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-03-23T10:42:24.976802Z
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@divVerent @lamp Many people know what the words mean, but use them wrong.Clearly, non-one wants a predator, but 90% of predators are not pedophiles.Procedural generation models cannot generate something from nothing - the output is produced as result of the combination of the inputs, so there is a slim possibility a identifiable real person is depicted (like a "deepfake").There is also another potential harm from such models - those images can waste the limited allocated investigation resources available, as investigators can waste time looking for a trafficked minor that doesn't exist, redirecting resources away from looking for and rescuing the many trafficked minors.People reporting drawings already waste a lot of investigator time (the FBI specifically notes not to report drawings), but at least a drawing will only waste a few seconds of an investigators time at most.
(DIR) Post #AsLMz7Ot0J5Zg6kp5E by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-03-23T10:42:41.768579Z
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@divVerent @Suiseiseki @lamp i think its all just a deflection from Epstein et all where you have british royalty being besties with actual child sex traffickers and then getting their records protected by world governmentsits a trick that happens a lot but i forget the name of it. basically the system distracting you from what they are really doing by pointing at a facsimile of it. like if people collectively know they should kill their governments, you get pointed towards movies about it while at the same time public participation continues to be shuttered.
(DIR) Post #AsLNDcQOS9Srx7NDkG by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-03-23T10:45:18.965848Z
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@divVerent @Suiseiseki @lamp if you look in to the books on human trafficking, basically nobody cares when children and adults go missing in to sex dungeons. there are a couple NGOs and agencies who are tasked with putting a stop to it. half of those are part of the problem. the other half get basically no funding and are administratively kneecapped.i have the unshakeable nod that CSAM detectors have more to do with getting a consent decree to have AIs spy and snitch on people. since you can't exactly see what that black box is doing, there is no way to prove when they just say slip in a person of interest dataset in the filters and turn it in to a universal face scanner a la batman. but it will be to "protect the kids," despite the governments basically cutting the budget to anyone who actually does that.
(DIR) Post #AsLNPcNyQLbJJ3xnGa by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-03-23T10:47:28.631172Z
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@icedquinn @divVerent @lamp The child abuse rate in Japan is distorted by withheld reporting, but if I remember correctly, even if you apply a multiplier to account for undereporting, Japan is less bad than England (now where are those statistics).
(DIR) Post #AsLNRrydQWWAF1BXCy by divVerent@blob.cat
2025-03-23T10:47:54.490401Z
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@Suiseiseki @lamp What I meant is, such models can also be trained just from "harmless" pictures of minors, and "adult" porn. If one really needs that kinda stuff. In that case no real person has been harmed.If a model has been trained using real CSAI, then yes, the entire model should of course still be illegal to distribute with massive consequences, as doing so still perpetuated harm to actual children depicted in training data. As for pictures generated by said models, it is more complicated, as it ultimately depends on whether or not a real person can be recognized (and yes, this raises to the level where someone thought they "just used AI" and had no intention of harming a real child, but the model was massively overfit and always generated the same child).But yeah, waste of investigators' resources is also an issue, but should not be a reason to ban something. Get gud at investigating, I guess.
(DIR) Post #AsLNXQzGgf18Gt8Paq by divVerent@blob.cat
2025-03-23T10:48:55.298038Z
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@Suiseiseki @icedquinn @lamp It is distorted by under-reporting in every country, to be fair.
(DIR) Post #AsLNaj6Pn7wnK8303U by divVerent@blob.cat
2025-03-23T10:49:31.090599Z
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@icedquinn @Suiseiseki @lamp Yeah, for those way too powerful people it remains true - every accusation is an admission.
(DIR) Post #AsLNbM7qhjGeLs1CCm by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-03-23T10:49:36.822448Z
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@divVerent @Suiseiseki @lamp japanese collective punishment mechanics discourages having authorities handle things, yes.
(DIR) Post #AsLNoJ5pI5mIi8FQ2K by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-03-23T10:51:56.651756Z
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@icedquinn @divVerent @lamp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics?useskin=monobook#By_country Ah yes - have a look at England and Wales and Japan - although that includes both minors and adults.
(DIR) Post #AsLNzDa085aAnTZ3vE by divVerent@blob.cat
2025-03-23T10:53:56.108742Z
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@Suiseiseki @icedquinn @lamp Vatican 0.0 haha they just do it outside their borders.
(DIR) Post #AsLO4BNviUw1REHlrs by divVerent@blob.cat
2025-03-23T10:54:50.357528Z
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@Suiseiseki @icedquinn @lamp Also, lots of countries down there that have legal child marriage.I guess that is _one_ way to keep those reported numbers down...
(DIR) Post #AsLOHhsOE5DzyMyvgm by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-03-23T10:57:15.262643Z
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@divVerent @lamp Just because someone is an adult doesn't mean that "featuring in pornography" can't harm them.Extremely large collections of images of minors or adults can only be collected via abusive practices, even if the images themselves are "harmless".
(DIR) Post #AsLOM4E14kxARdB0sq by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-03-23T10:58:02.743854Z
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@divVerent @icedquinn @lamp Yes.Another way is just to not report and cover up any cases, rather than deal with them.
(DIR) Post #AsLOPuOXZAmr7BvmKW by divVerent@blob.cat
2025-03-23T10:58:45.633780Z
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@Suiseiseki @lamp Of course. I also believe all pornography is sick, and producing it is also often intertwined with drug abuse.That just has nothing to do with the question at hand.
(DIR) Post #AsLQTRS9JSsIQ7QoDo by menherahair@eientei.org
2025-03-23T11:21:48.921186Z
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@Suiseiseki @lamp >there is few reasons otherwise one would put in the effort of writing such things after allwe're on free fedi, we have the few reasons. this is *the* place every undesirable eventually gets pushed to, down from platforms with centralized moderation and policies that won't tolerate their bullshit. then fedi's idiosyncrasies are such that you either ban them or get banned for hosting them when they inevitably receive the phrase on the radio and post cp. otherwise the only reasonably effective thing left to do is be cruel.
(DIR) Post #AsMNfRxT9gDKl24jVg by lamp@kitty.haus
2025-03-23T22:24:57.553119Z
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@MK2boogaloo @Suiseiseki Why the hell did you gravedig this year old thread, and what are you talking about?
(DIR) Post #AsMNoeQEBTu01HukTI by lunarised@whinge.town
2025-03-23T22:26:41.221540Z
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@MK2boogaloo @Suiseiseki @lamp based MK2 necropost
(DIR) Post #AsMOCZHewJDl2AJLVY by menherahair@eientei.org
2025-03-23T22:31:02.378533Z
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@lamp @Suiseiseki @MK2boogaloo based
(DIR) Post #AsMOhZxGUiWK5mYiCO by lamp@kitty.haus
2025-03-23T22:36:37.158927Z
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@divVerent @Suiseiseki wut about drawn pornography
(DIR) Post #AsMXc8ZjlKnZJe2AMq by divVerent@blob.cat
2025-03-24T00:16:31.391060Z
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@lamp @Suiseiseki May harm the person viewing, and also the person drawing. But both consent to it, so it is their problem and nobody else's.Also possibly copyright or trademark impact, but I could not care less.
(DIR) Post #AsMdbqlGatYDn8fmvQ by lamp@kitty.haus
2025-03-24T01:23:37.364675Z
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@divVerent @Suiseiseki how can it harm them?
(DIR) Post #AsMixs8keEaED2yhwe by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-03-24T02:23:39.547481Z
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@lamp @divVerent Achieving the highest quality of 漫画-style drawings can do great harm to the artists wrists and fingers and also to the rest of their body (as they stay inside for hours or days or weeks in dim light working on such drawings and not going outside and exercising).Mentally it seems that few male artists can handle such long drawing process, but it seems that female artists seem to be able to mentally take it better (there are many more female artists than male artists).Copyright and/or trademarks are only an issue if a derivative work of an existing character is drawn and not a (definitely) original character.
(DIR) Post #AsMk7RWEa0ksUl5c3c by divVerent@blob.cat
2025-03-24T02:36:38.580051Z
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@lamp @Suiseiseki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_pornographyhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_pornography_on_young_peopleAs it shows, the harm depends a lot on the person. But anyway, whoever consumes it consents to it, so I see no reason for a government side ban, beyond age restrictions that usually are already in place (but care has to be taken to not enforce age restriction in a way causing much bigger harm - because the last thing we need is a government database tracking who watches which porn).In addition, it comprises a major part of Internet traffic, also because unlike e.g. Netflix and YouTube, it is not cached on your ISP's premises and thus actually goes through the backbone and peering. This harm is real, but of course, is one the ISPs could easily fix if they wanted to.
(DIR) Post #AsMkCtOoLheQPcDSPg by divVerent@blob.cat
2025-03-24T02:37:37.868867Z
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@Suiseiseki @lamp And yes, in case of OC the copyright/trademark issue of course is taken care of (except that the authors themselves may get their copyright infringed by others).
(DIR) Post #AsMlePdEiUu29XeLQm by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-03-24T02:53:46.983742Z
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@divVerent @lamp No artwork is truly original, viewing a work doesn't consume it and works tend to be unique and cannot be readily substituted for anything else, unless everything is slop (slop just fills whatever with content(s)), thus the "consuming" and "OC" as terms are totally incorrect.
(DIR) Post #AsMoTFNQntCN1bcmlU by MK2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com
2025-03-24T03:25:23.838362Z
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@lamp @Suiseiseki
(DIR) Post #AsMpiuYa526d2WsB8K by lamp@kitty.haus
2025-03-24T03:39:21.429274Z
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@MK2boogaloo @Suiseiseki i can see what u replied to but i got what ur saying now lol
(DIR) Post #AsMqjNzmjA8SISO5k8 by lamp@kitty.haus
2025-03-24T03:50:39.759953Z
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@divVerent @Suiseiseki Lol that's funny. They don't want to cache porn so the porn takes up more bandwidth.Does YouTube really cache on ISPs? Like they colocate their own servers on ISP's premises?
(DIR) Post #AsMwjTEHrpvqFpaucy by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-03-24T04:57:56.901460Z
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@lamp @divVerent >This harm is realI don't see why delivering traffic via the internet is harmful, as that's literally what it's for.It just increases costs, as there are rent seekers on the internet's fibre's that demand they receive a payment for every single byte that is transmitted over the fibres (in either direction).youtube does not cache on ISPs - google just runs their own massive networks and datacentres and are happy to let any ISP peer with them - the result is the spying data going directly to google's datacentres and the video's coming directly from google's datacentres (whether on premise, or from another google datacentre), bypassing rent seekers.
(DIR) Post #AsN3xkDYCaSOfw0GcC by lina@eientei.org
2025-03-24T06:18:58.982926Z
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@MK2boogaloo @Suiseiseki @lamp freudian coping
(DIR) Post #AsNLMWe3V2xd2cnqkq by divVerent@blob.cat
2025-03-24T09:33:55.699537Z
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@lamp @Suiseiseki Yes: https://support.google.com/interconnect/answer/9058809?hl=en
(DIR) Post #AsNMIgGJtwb3fFQoOe by divVerent@blob.cat
2025-03-24T09:44:26.632374Z
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@Suiseiseki @lamp Speaking of slop, this is the kind of content that may be more harmful than pornography: brain rot YouTube videos. And short form videos in general whether on YT, TikTok or elsewhere.Harm from those has already been shown, e.g. in form of reduced literacy rates.https://jolt.richmond.edu/2024/03/06/tiktok-brain-can-we-save-childrens-attention-spans/