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(DIR) Post #AsMVWb6IasN48hUl04 by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2025-03-23T23:53:06Z
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Mailing lists are in kind of a death spiral, projects like Linux will likely use them into the foreseeable future but as other projects move away from them it becomes harder to on board people, leading to more projects doing away with them, leading to on boarding being harder.
(DIR) Post #AsMVenIx6SKyJ3K2Fc by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2025-03-23T23:54:35Z
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When every project had a mailing list it was a reasonable expectation that you know how they work, you understand mailing list etiquette (like how it's expected you understand Github today) but if there's only a handful that use them it's much less reasonable to assume that
(DIR) Post #AsMW4w4p6xCn2eB8mO by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2025-03-23T23:59:18Z
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If you're as important as the Linux kernel people will jump through a bunch of hoops to learn your processes but if you're just some random FOSS project that's getting less likely to happen. Simply just compare any projects mailing list archives from last month and 10 years ago.
(DIR) Post #AsMW5UEw5rUqzrAhGK by frumble@chaos.social
2025-03-23T23:59:21Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Slightly off-topic but I’m so mad at the LKML for leaking my private mail address in plaintext to web archives for the spammers. Had expected more circumspection.
(DIR) Post #AsMW8pFSRPuT1Q0XJZ by nicemicro@fosstodon.org
2025-03-23T23:59:58Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I literally read about people in corporate Linux who upstreamed one thing they did but it was so painful to get the patch go through the mailing list, that they decided to never upstream any of their stuff ever again.Source: I don't remember, I read it in either a YT comment or here on the Fedi.#FreeSoftware #Linux
(DIR) Post #AsMWJXYuXS0XM2DRp2 by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2025-03-24T00:01:54Z
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@frumble The archives are simply just an archive of the emails so that sort of had to happen. I get the annoyance but there are email redirection services you could use if that's super important.
(DIR) Post #AsMWl2u87J3uNaFy6q by frumble@chaos.social
2025-03-24T00:06:52Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I know know but it’s already too late. I expected the archive to abbreviate the addresses. And I read some introduction info for the ML but nothing warned me about them feeding my mail address to the spammers -.-
(DIR) Post #AsMX1atDWnxmPrij8C by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2025-03-24T00:09:55Z
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@frumble I guess the main ones could and probably should do that but there would always be another one that doesn't
(DIR) Post #AsMXPrD4V9UlyyZosy by frumble@chaos.social
2025-03-24T00:14:15Z
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@BrodieOnLinux To rebind with your thread: It’s obscure tech and has its deceits.
(DIR) Post #AsMYyEr3CGiP7EEcEq by Conan_Kudo@fosstodon.org
2025-03-24T00:24:28Z
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@frumble @BrodieOnLinux Most mailing list systems do this, just Linux's never did. And the lore archiver doesn't either. Fedora's mailing lists flat out don't show email addresses anymore for this reason.
(DIR) Post #AsMYyGE85wlpN62Yqm by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2025-03-24T00:31:41Z
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@Conan_Kudo @frumble Speaking of Fedora's mailing list, I think part of the issue with most archives is they're a completely indecipherable mess. Fedora's more forum like interface with HyperKitty isn't perfect but it's so much easier to navigate than the standard plain text wall of the normal LKML archives.
(DIR) Post #AsMYyKrGsMSNjeNsPo by Conan_Kudo@fosstodon.org
2025-03-24T00:27:34Z
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@frumble @BrodieOnLinux Offhand? HyperKitty and Apache Pony Mail do, as did the older Pipermail. Various archivers for Majordomo and mlmmj either did or didn't depending on whether the admin bothered. Sympa does not, though it tries to use interactive clickthroughs to stymie scrapers.
(DIR) Post #AsMlf9vaaaupjmaeQK by cubeofcheese@mstdn.social
2025-03-24T02:53:54Z
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@BrodieOnLinux every time I hear about making lists (usually in the context of Linux or web standards) I think "hmm i wonder what that is. Probably some weird kind of communication. I wonder how that works"I'm pretty sure it's based on email which I've just never really understood, so I hope I never need to participate in a mailing list
(DIR) Post #AsMqYyCXm6V1OxO9wW by Conan_Kudo@fosstodon.org
2025-03-24T03:48:48Z
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@BrodieOnLinux @frumble Fedora created HyperKitty precisely to make mailing lists easier. It was @mairin's brainchild. I'm happy to see more communities adopt it for their mailing lists in recent years.
(DIR) Post #AsNBQJ9wa98Ephsq8W by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2025-03-24T07:42:32Z
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@dirk I've heard that argument before and I can certainly see where people are coming from there