Post AsG2ACVHIkyvrYO5Wi by oliversampson@sigmoid.social
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(DIR) Post #AsG2ACVHIkyvrYO5Wi by oliversampson@sigmoid.social
2025-03-20T18:36:01Z
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I'm a little behind on reading @interfluidity and I just bumped into this remarkable prose. Yes, this is what it's about, the #broligarchy and the #christofacists be damned. https://drafts.interfluidity.com/2024/11/04/the-coveted-interfluidity-endorsement/index.html
(DIR) Post #AsG2ADqaJ1cS1vMcNM by interfluidity@zirk.us
2025-03-20T20:55:48Z
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@oliversampson (thanks!)
(DIR) Post #AsHjbrAchYQKzj7VR2 by light@noc.social
2025-03-21T16:06:27Z
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@oliversampson @interfluidity I actually disagree. Should we care about the values and interests of murderers, child abusers, rapists, and neonazis?
(DIR) Post #AsHjbsZ7Vxc5JzaaG0 by interfluidity@zirk.us
2025-03-21T16:37:21Z
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@light @oliversampson Should we care about the values and interests of sinners? When you curdle a human being into a noun, you obscure the human, but even humans who have done hateful things — to some degree all of us — still count. That doesn’t mean we have to collectively agree. A murderer might argue we should not punish him because reasons. We might hear him out and punish him anyway. But we owe him, like everyone else, a genuine hearing. 1/
(DIR) Post #AsHju2tFrkliYVfYy8 by light@noc.social
2025-03-21T16:40:35Z
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@interfluidity @oliversampson I didn't think OP meant justice stuff
(DIR) Post #AsHjwhWFmNPT8xB1Wa by interfluidity@zirk.us
2025-03-21T16:41:07Z
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@light @oliversampson And, like all of us, he has values beyond his sin. His perspective on land use or taxation or food safety is not rendered worthless because of his sin. He owes what our justice system deems him to owe, but he remains a human being, not an object or a nullity. /fin
(DIR) Post #AsHljKHB5LqfCRsKnI by light@noc.social
2025-03-21T16:41:55Z
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@interfluidity @oliversampson I thought he was saying we should "let other people's values and interests have equal play in our minds" I.e. consider them equal to our own, not merely to give them a fair hearing.
(DIR) Post #AsHljLYELR5D9crT0q by light@noc.social
2025-03-21T16:43:40Z
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@interfluidity @oliversampson Just out of curiosity though, how would you give a fair hearing to an idea such as "the Holocaust never happened, but it should have"?I can't think of a way without severely compromising my morals.
(DIR) Post #AsHljMXYfQ8iDpYRbU by interfluidity@zirk.us
2025-03-21T17:01:05Z
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@light @oliversampson I give it a fair hearing and reject it. Some of “fair” when discussing things to which I have no first hand access is necessarily deciding whom to trust. So, though I can’t personally refute every proposition offered by obsessive holocaust denialists doesn’t mean I have to accept his claims over those of others I find trustworthy. The “should have” claim I’d find very easy to reject.
(DIR) Post #AsHnaerDOZ50Kjj4dM by light@noc.social
2025-03-21T17:21:10Z
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@interfluidity @oliversampson I meant on matters relating to his sin
(DIR) Post #AsHnmOE33cJaE504em by light@noc.social
2025-03-21T17:23:53Z
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@interfluidity @oliversampson I only meant the "should have" claim. The "never happened" claim is non-moral and therefore irrelevant.
(DIR) Post #AsHxl6CHbHk9Z1CJbk by interfluidity@zirk.us
2025-03-21T19:15:53Z
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@light @oliversampson there are lots of claims that it’s worth trying to understand where they come from even as the vast majority of us will (and should) easily reject them.
(DIR) Post #AsI0KHW1i6WWi9Kw2i by light@noc.social
2025-03-21T19:44:25Z
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@interfluidity @oliversampson Maybe in the sense that there should be people who do that, but not everyone. Some people with fragile minds only suffer dealing with such reprobates.I don't think society should be one giant and vicious argument. It would be great if people were more willing to hear people out sometimes, but I don't think it is an obligation in this case.