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(DIR) Post #As4wCk4tBgGHt55oZs by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-03-15T12:27:09Z
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I could have really just skipped learning about why "heard immunity thresholds" matter with an example. We could have just skipped this whole thing. We had a whole plan and it was working great. a pox on them hippie moms (and me too now I guess, wonderful)https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2025/03/14/measles-breakthrough-infections-are-possible-even-among-the-vaccinated-heres-why/
(DIR) Post #As4wdDLcz7hkCCXqzo by vanderZwan@vis.social
2025-03-15T12:31:55Z
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@futurebird oof, the measles in particular would be a pretty terrifying disease to get again given that it erases previously built-up immunity
(DIR) Post #As4x0pkONnOfwxOIqm by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-03-15T12:36:14Z
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@domo That's how it works in NYC but the anti-vax people have been attacking these requirements for decades and they have made inroads in some places. Likewise there is no requirement for private and homeschooling. So you get these little pockets ripe for an outbreak. And once it's out? Well now we are all in danger. The vaccine is a fence. If there are a few weak links spread randomly it's not a problem... but all in one place and now the deadly disease is back.
(DIR) Post #As4xCPmgjprAtzzH72 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-03-15T12:38:20Z
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@domo And the thing is I do not get it. I don't understand how so many people have been convinced to put their kids and themselves and everyone at risk like this. And due to sunk cost thinking and how people hate to be wrong even after they get sick they still don't learn. Some will even say "you see it's not so bad, we didn't die."
(DIR) Post #As4xaOuZdQiJ9474Lo by llewelly@sauropods.win
2025-03-15T12:42:38Z
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@futurebird my mother is a devout Mormon, the opposite of a "hippie mom" in nearly every way, and yet, also an anti-vaxxer. And she's not unusual in this; all the anti-vaxers I've personally known have been deeply conservative. Contrary to popular mythology, there's always been a strain of anti-vax attitudes among conservatives.
(DIR) Post #As4xg4rv4Bk6ilZv5E by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-03-15T12:43:41Z
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@llewelly Totally. I suppose I have only really encountered the hippie version IRL so it's what I think of first.
(DIR) Post #As4yoFzpg6MPVHkAzI by wordshaper@weatherishappening.network
2025-03-15T12:56:19Z
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@futurebird @llewelly I knew a bunch of hippie style anti-vaxxers when my kids were little. Something I noticed was that these folks *were* little-c conservative — while the things they believed, or at least practiced, were liberal, the *way* they practiced them and how they approached changing their minds about things were deeply conservative. I’ve noticed the same in CA, for example. Surface liberals but in an extremely rigid and unchanging way.
(DIR) Post #As51NhBem8JRsUIhIe by michael_w_busch@mastodon.online
2025-03-15T13:25:10Z
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@futurebird I blame Andrew Wakefield.
(DIR) Post #As5ADtbidoEd5ftQdk by Robo105@mastodon.social
2025-03-15T15:04:11Z
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@futurebird Canada here. My thinking is if you fail to vaccinate then you should fail to have access to our free health care. You have no right to put such a burden on our health system due to stupidity.
(DIR) Post #As5AzHZrL4SJ2hcQdc by michael_w_busch@mastodon.online
2025-03-15T13:45:45Z
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@domo @futurebird California allowed adults to deny children vaccines on the basis of "personal belief" and measles vaccine rates dropped.Then there was a measles outbreak at Disneyland that put an infant in intensive care.And California changed the rules back to permit only verified medical exceptions to vaccination.Everywhere else in the United States should have learned from California's mistake.
(DIR) Post #As5LwpjB0m0PaK0mY4 by FeloniousPunk@beige.party
2025-03-15T17:15:36Z
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@futurebird @domo Especially since all these anti-vax parents all have been vaccinated themselves.
(DIR) Post #As5zp0qFnlzPu99Cz2 by helladeboo@mastodon.social
2025-03-15T15:23:23Z
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@michael_w_busch @domo @futurebird Did anyone die?
(DIR) Post #As5zp1ZH6O0C9mDA9o by michael_w_busch@mastodon.online
2025-03-15T16:38:13Z
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@helladeboo @domo @futurebird Nobody died in the Disneyland measles outbreak.But a few dozen people were hospitalized, including the infant who needed intensive care: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disneyland_measles_outbreak