Post Arb31SjmBnUVrGzKIT by shadowfacts@social.shadowfacts.net
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(DIR) Post #Arb31LqFpJVuTKxtvE by shadowfacts@social.shadowfacts.net
2025-03-01T00:46:38.015446Z
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yeah babey it is once again firefox terms of service misinformation o’clock
(DIR) Post #Arb31MsPykq3gKz8vw by shadowfacts@social.shadowfacts.net
2025-03-01T00:49:21.100821Z
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the “depictions of sexuality” thing that people are freaking out about literally does not appear on the firefox terms of use: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/firefox/
(DIR) Post #Arb31NrOK3byjRVpyK by mcc@mastodon.social
2025-03-01T00:58:03Z
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@shadowfacts Rather than the "terms of use" you need to look in the "acceptable use policy". https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/acceptable-use/What is the difference between a "Terms of Use" and "Acceptable Use Policy"? I don't know.Surely the "Acceptable Use Policy" refers to Mozilla online services, not the Firefox browser? I'd say yes, *except*- Many users use Firefox with online service integration, such as bookmark sync.- The new "Terms of Use" blurs the line between an online service and a local application
(DIR) Post #Arb31Ol2z88BW3YHiq by shadowfacts@social.shadowfacts.net
2025-03-01T01:00:35.379752Z
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@mcc the sexual content bullet point is prefaced by “You may not use any of Mozilla’s services to:”Firefox the web browser is not a Mozilla service. Nowhere in the firefox terms of use does it say you are bound by the AUP for Mozilla services
(DIR) Post #Arb31PUQGQQXmmmWRs by mcc@mastodon.social
2025-03-01T01:02:33Z
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@shadowfacts I agree with your second paragraph. However, this only helps me because I aggressively disconnect my copy of Firefox from Firefox services. As previously mentioned, some Firefox users use Firefox services. For them, this clause in the AUP may create a problem.
(DIR) Post #Arb31QdfzVQJLm7QVk by shadowfacts@social.shadowfacts.net
2025-03-01T01:18:31.010265Z
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@mcc being signed in to firefox sync or w/e does not make visiting www dot pornhub dot com a usage of a Mozilla service
(DIR) Post #Arb31RVujqoC3zUk3E by mcc@mastodon.social
2025-03-01T01:20:26Z
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@shadowfacts That sounds correct, but perhaps there are things you can do with the Firefox web browser which do constitute a usage of a Mozilla service. For example, if you turn on "Mozilla VPN" https://www.mozilla.org/en-CA/products/vpn/ then access pornhub.com, naively I'd assume the Acceptable Use Policy applies, as "any of Mozilla’s services" probably includes Mozilla VPN.
(DIR) Post #Arb31S1SqY2tdqFwEC by mcc@mastodon.social
2025-03-01T00:59:08Z
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@shadowfacts Your plan to open a single page and CTRL-F it was flawed because what you actually needed to do was open 3 separate pages and CTRL-F all three
(DIR) Post #Arb31S7UU8rlwX4kca by mcc@mastodon.social
2025-03-01T01:25:23Z
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@shadowfacts Oh wait, wait, I'm sorry. We've both been mistaken about something.The Terms of Use currently on Mozilla's site say "Effective February 28, 2025". However, if someone said Mozilla had banned porn, they may have said this sometime between Feb 25 and Feb 27, at which point the Terms of Use were different:https://web.archive.org/web/20250227073459/https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/firefox/And at that time, it contained the sentence "Your use of Firefox must follow Mozilla’s Acceptable Use Policy".
(DIR) Post #Arb31SjmBnUVrGzKIS by mcc@mastodon.social
2025-03-01T01:27:31Z
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@shadowfacts So, as a non-lawyer, I'm not totally certain the effect of that phrase. But since1. The TOS said, between the 25th and 28th, that "your use of Firefox must follow" the AUP2. The AUP says you may not "upload, download, transmit, display, or grant access to content that includes graphic depictions of sexuality or violence"I think anyone making the claim of "banning porn" would be making a reasonable statement between the 25th and 28th— and after that, would simply be out of date.
(DIR) Post #Arb31SjmBnUVrGzKIT by shadowfacts@social.shadowfacts.net
2025-03-01T00:51:41.319858Z
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“firefox is banning porn” should set off your bullshit detector. these things are also incredibly easy to fact check: it took approximately 30 seconds to google the firefox terms and cmd+f for “sex”
(DIR) Post #Arb31WdBiEb7vzw7aC by mcc@mastodon.social
2025-03-01T01:30:39Z
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@shadowfacts Now, I'm not saying for certain that with the Feb 25 version of the TOU, that the AUP really did apply to simply accessing a website such as pornhub! The TOU says that you "must follow", no qualification, but then the AUP qualifies by referring to "Mozilla services", which probably means connected services such as Sync or VPN. That's ambiguous! I'd want to talk to a lawyer for that. But *facially* it doesn't seem like an absurd claim…
(DIR) Post #Arb31bJWImpuSRlz7Y by mcc@mastodon.social
2025-03-01T01:31:25Z
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@shadowfacts …and, probably, Mozilla agrees, because *after* the complaints about Mozilla "banning porn" started on social media, Mozilla changed the wording to remove the text that would seem to imply the "banning" of porn had occurred. At any rate, I wouldn't call the claim of a ban "misinformation".