Post AraqY3jorGseTbDmb2 by FourOh-LLC@pkteerium.xyz
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 (DIR) Post #Arak6r2TMkBrXyags4 by antranigv@sigin.fo
       2025-02-28T09:43:58Z
       
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       10 years ago when I told people that systemd will make Linux systems more crappy, people called me crazy. Now, everyone is wondering if this was a good idea.Here are more things to be careful about, in case you missed my prev messages:- PulseAudio / Pipewire- Gnome- GTK4- Wayland- dbus- NetworkManager- A messaging system that’s not federated- Linux-specific software (e.g. Docker)I know this not because I am smart, but because others don’t think critically.https://mstdn.social/@jschauma/114076781784299928
       
 (DIR) Post #Arak7KUpqN6ouL5Fbc by antranigv@sigin.fo
       2025-02-28T09:46:22Z
       
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       The fact that macOS is more Unix-like than mainstream Linux distros makes you wonder how shitty other mainstream Linux software is.Please, for the love of god, call your congressm… I  mean, email your mailing lists, tell these devs that they are not as smart as they think they are. systemd was a mistake, and they should know. Ask any sysadmin who runs a HPC cluster.
       
 (DIR) Post #ArakBb1wJSSBLSbPrE by dcc@annihilation.social
       2025-02-28T22:51:15.380278Z
       
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       @antranigv Yep
       
 (DIR) Post #AranYBqmOh5Zm1qcVs by FourOh-LLC@pkteerium.xyz
       2025-02-28T23:25:43.934484Z
       
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       Most of us "users" rely on the upstream.I was around for the first release of Devuan, I even installed it and it was good. But I had to stick with Ubuntu because I just refurbished some HP servers I cannot even remember the Generation, but MAAS was also so cool.I have been using Debian as long as I remember, and I started with Slackware on 5" floppies in 1993.You need to communicate in a way where users understand your concerns. Today I build YunoHost servers on Debian, rooted on BIND servers on Debian, MTAs on Debian, all as lean and mean as possible.  I build some of this on ProxMox - a LOT of Debian-based 512 MB 10GB LXC containers, a LOT of upstream.This is all I understand.
       
 (DIR) Post #AranYD2rxELzToVmzo by dcc@annihilation.social
       2025-02-28T23:28:54.579327Z
       
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       @FourOh-LLC @antranigv What a fancy way of saying nothing lol
       
 (DIR) Post #AraqY3jorGseTbDmb2 by FourOh-LLC@pkteerium.xyz
       2025-02-28T23:58:11.986139Z
       
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       Here is the list by the OP:- PulseAudio / Pipewire- Gnome- GTK4- Wayland- dbus- NetworkManager- A messaging system that’s not federated- Linux-specific software (e.g. Docker)@dcc Guess how many barebone install of Debian have any of this? Its only dbus, the rest maybe turned off at start if cannot just entirely removed. At my use-case there is absolutely nothing wrong with the init system used, of even with the default compiled kernel.I honestly do not understand the "A messaging system that’s not federated" item - something like RabbitMQ, something non-routed like cjdns, something like I2P, Zot/ZAP?So you get no support from me one way or the other. Your bone with tis over tat is really insignificant, considering that all you need to do is build your own.I do not have that choice, I am 100% limited by the upstream.
       
 (DIR) Post #AraqY4ZvjWZ35DbOoy by dcc@annihilation.social
       2025-03-01T00:02:31.641159Z
       
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       @FourOh-LLC @antranigv > Its only dbusOn ubunto what is it?  PulseAudio / Pipewire- Gnome- GTK4- Wayland- dbus- NetworkManager- A messaging system that’s not federatedNo one uses debian lol
       
 (DIR) Post #Araquya2CWO38kZX84 by newt@stereophonic.space
       2025-03-01T00:06:31.158813Z
       
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       @dcc @FourOh-LLC @antranigv I like how Linux people are afraid of software
       
 (DIR) Post #AraqxwxofQjuzn77k8 by dcc@annihilation.social
       2025-03-01T00:07:13.579764Z
       
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       @newt @FourOh-LLC @antranigv You should be, cancer ware is a real thing.
       
 (DIR) Post #Arar1bMmuJ03AgXG2i by newt@stereophonic.space
       2025-03-01T00:07:45.753901Z
       
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       @dcc @FourOh-LLC @antranigv Linux has always been garbage. Nothing changed.
       
 (DIR) Post #ArarWCNPrvfOdyQ2tM by hj@shigusegubu.club
       2025-03-01T00:13:19.597636Z
       
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       @newt @dcc @FourOh-LLC @antranigv by Allah all software is garbageExcept Linux. Those mongoloids are fine
       
 (DIR) Post #Arbeaj7owqzp7iugSm by bonifartius@qoto.org
       2025-03-01T09:22:39Z
       
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       @rl_dane @antranigv maybe discord for project communication