Post ArYFJzddROI8WClf4S by aral@mastodon.ar.al
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(DIR) Post #ArXtOoYzqWPqcvUYs4 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2025-02-27T13:49:32Z
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Anything you say or do on Firefox may be used by Mozilla against you. You have the right to use a different browser. If you cannot find a browser that doesn’t fuck you over one way or another, one will not be provided for you because capitalism is working exactly as designed.https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/firefox-terms-of-use/https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/information-about-the-new-terms-of-use-and-updated-privacy/td-p/87735#Mozilla #Firefox #TermsOfUse #SiliconValley #BigTech #USA #AI
(DIR) Post #ArXtjmuZBS6haHa8ye by Hache@masto.es
2025-02-27T13:53:27Z
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@aral I have a question here, does this also apply to Firefox forks? (I'm affraid the answer is yes...)CC: @Waterfox
(DIR) Post #ArXtxTQ6RtCTBerIrg by Acronymesis@mastodon.world
2025-02-27T13:55:30Z
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@aral Grrr, I just switched over to Firefox after realizing how crappy Chrome is for privacy/ads. 😡
(DIR) Post #ArXu41YeRDHAnjyrYW by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2025-02-27T13:56:00Z
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@aral That's... Accurate. Hurtful, to be honest, but accurate.
(DIR) Post #ArXu7QcViIjfOoPQMi by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2025-02-27T13:56:23Z
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@Hache @Waterfox No, they can’t dictate terms of use for forks without violating their own open source license.
(DIR) Post #ArXuKpFBTSqHX6t1sW by Waterfox@mastodon.social
2025-02-27T13:58:20Z
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@Hache @aral this doesn’t apply to us, we have our own privacy policy. But bear in mind if you use a Mozilla account/sync you still have to know the terms for those services.Just from a cursory glance it doesn’t seem there’s anything egregious with the terms of use or privacy policy update - is there anything specific that sticks out? Legally companies have to provide a privacy policy; terms of use aren’t necessary but just seems to state what is already the case.
(DIR) Post #ArXuKqKtPj0Ev6Z6Po by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2025-02-27T14:00:17Z
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@Waterfox @Hache Mozilla jumps into AI… and now this 🤔. I’m not into giving Silicon Valley tech companies the benefit of the doubt.
(DIR) Post #ArXuU1yFWdZfbwM4G0 by Waterfox@mastodon.social
2025-02-27T14:01:24Z
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@aral @Hache I do note:> When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.That seems incredibly broad, am I misunderstanding where this applies? Surely not just a blanket statement?
(DIR) Post #ArXuXidbLa7qoDSJMm by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2025-02-27T14:02:14Z
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@arrrg Safari as daily driver. Chromium while developing (Safari’s dev panel just doesn’t cut the mustard.) All three major ones when testing. And one funded by our taxes and developed by an independent not-for-profit based in the EU in my dreams.
(DIR) Post #ArXv0ILSBKV5f4aq5w by wonkothesane@mstdn.social
2025-02-27T14:07:44Z
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@aral Another good reminder that just because something is lead by a non-profit does not mean it has inherent ethics or the interests of its consumers in mind
(DIR) Post #ArXvMWsOppdb6IbblI by messaroundmarx@zirk.us
2025-02-27T14:11:38Z
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@aral Does that mean, if i type something into a mask on an encrypted website (https), that Mozilla can read it?
(DIR) Post #ArXvUetCvVkgGkrMzg by reay@beige.party
2025-02-27T14:13:13Z
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@aral@FirewallDragons My email to you preceded my seeing this, but yeah, in the same vein of questioning…
(DIR) Post #ArXvqsSFAky0iAqIHQ by derrydavis@techhub.social
2025-02-27T14:17:19Z
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@aral has anyone used the #TheOnionRouter aka tor browser? @eff rates it good for privacy.
(DIR) Post #ArXw0ejZ2Ytd3NbgPY by Oiselarius@dice.camp
2025-02-27T14:18:59Z
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@aral deleted the app and Thunderbird
(DIR) Post #ArXwAgtfqwZ4er7XWa by reay@beige.party
2025-02-27T14:20:44Z
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@aral I’ve been noodling on privacy-oriented and non-Chromium options other than FF for a while, and feel a bit hamstrung.Really rather avoid Brave for not wanting to support that CEO, and that doesn’t leave much.The hope that I can also sync a browser between my iPhone app and Windows laptop seemingly just makes it totally unattainable.Wide open to other recommendations.
(DIR) Post #ArXwK000CXTCVZWEzo by jazzonbike@mastodon.social
2025-02-27T14:22:31Z
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@aral Waht's about Brave as an alternative?
(DIR) Post #ArXxMNuMNYvvC5a6Qi by sm32d@infosec.exchange
2025-02-27T14:34:09Z
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@aral @mozillaofficial @firefoxnightly care to explain?
(DIR) Post #ArXy8FU50BRey471Wq by beisbolcards@mastodon.world
2025-02-27T14:42:39Z
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@aral Gave Vivaldi a try and so far am enjoying the UI as I can move between tabs easier than Firefox and seems a bit faster.
(DIR) Post #ArXyDFvQmzWJmfIFCS by biglinter@mastodon.social
2025-02-27T14:43:36Z
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@aral luckily one has a choice... to switch what theyre using.one choice might be the tor browser. which is based on ff, lets you import your bookmarks (password import is a bit problematic...) and supports the extensions without that the web would be unbareable.
(DIR) Post #ArXzOT0ga3iZVNf23s by Chiquidrakula@infosec.exchange
2025-02-27T14:56:49Z
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@aral time for @fedora to move away from shipping @firefox on new releases.
(DIR) Post #ArXzczSoiOz6DFkCrQ by Fou_ad@mastodon.world
2025-02-27T14:59:27Z
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@aral Where does Opera stand as a privacy oriented choice?
(DIR) Post #ArXzmTo5GnNKvUDUe0 by maniajack@mastodon.world
2025-02-27T15:01:11Z
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@aral I don't quite understand the hate of Firefox, was their update directly at your sentiment? Mozilla is a nonprofit and they're of course not going to be perfect but they're kind of the last game in town since Google took over all the browser backends? I see a lot of "go to librewolf" but would they have enough support to maintain the browser if FF died?
(DIR) Post #ArY1XOjI453UkAuWDw by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2025-02-27T15:20:54Z
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@wonkothesane * A not-for-profit that owns a half-a-billion dollar a year for-profit that gets its half-a-billion dollars a year from Google.
(DIR) Post #ArY1hDbYHVir8WyRDE by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2025-02-27T15:22:43Z
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@messaroundmarx 🤷♂️At least they’re open source so you should be able to see exactly what information is being collected if you dive into the code.
(DIR) Post #ArY24TzrVBymdVRDIu by Black_Flag@syzito.xyz
2025-02-27T15:04:04Z
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@Waterfox @aral @Hache I read it as "we can read anything in your browser for AI".
(DIR) Post #ArY24UxPvlcNcDIm8G by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2025-02-27T15:26:32Z
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@Black_Flag @Waterfox @Hache Ditto.
(DIR) Post #ArY2BdsRALrDJ3NYNE by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2025-02-27T15:28:07Z
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@maniajack Mozilla is a not-for-profit that owns a half-a-billion dollar a year for-profit that gets its half-a-billion dollars a year from Google.Or, as their head of public policy once told me: “Why are you being so hard on us? We’re just another Silicon Valley tech company.”🤷♂️
(DIR) Post #ArY2GlUKINWMMMXmwS by Deebster@programming.dev
2025-02-27T14:57:31.304756Z
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The Privacy Notice doesn’t say anything problematic at all, why is everyone acting like Mozilla is going to be feeding every keystroke into a database/AI? It’s just saying that they’re allowed use your inputs to browse to the sites you’ve asked for, and to give the form data/uploads/mic/whatever to the sites you’re using.A few words cherry picked from the middle of a sentence isn’t how legal stuff works.
(DIR) Post #ArY2Gm8NtRZ0MbHmNc by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2025-02-27T15:29:08Z
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@Deebster Oh, I don’t know… I wonder why…https://www.mozilla.ai/
(DIR) Post #ArY2MBRnCv8iJnwVdo by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2025-02-27T15:29:45Z
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@jazzonbike This is Brave: https://basicattentiontoken.org/
(DIR) Post #ArY2X7uyfZLAYeoOGG by mijenix@infosec.exchange
2025-02-27T15:32:03Z
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@aral good time to start contributing to ladybird, either monetary or viacontributions https://donorbox.org/ladybird
(DIR) Post #ArY31DLj2Xt25gfaNc by QuantumAspect@mastodon.social
2025-02-27T15:37:35Z
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@aral That looks bad. But it won't drive me to run straight in the claws of Google's Chromium. The choices without Chromium are thin. Maybe i will give LibreWolf a spin some day.
(DIR) Post #ArY3X06HppfeGZbaSW by Randomgal@lemmy.ca
2025-02-27T15:37:06.619241Z
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Bro imagine caring so much about your fucking browser. Lmao
(DIR) Post #ArY3X17O3E93QH7yoS by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2025-02-27T15:43:19Z
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@Randomgal I bet you’re great fun at parties.
(DIR) Post #ArY4S94h8oaObd6qMy by Deebster@programming.dev
2025-02-27T15:49:10.727508Z
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Yes, Mozilla does some AI, like the in-browser, privacy-respecting language translation. If you use the same feature in Chrome, the text is submitted to a Google server, but in Firefox it never leaves your browser. I don’t see how this could be spun to count against Firefox/Mozilla.
(DIR) Post #ArY4SAUbrwuT0IF3Oy by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2025-02-27T15:53:38Z
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@Deebster Uh-huh. Yep. Sure. Let’s give them every benefit of the doubt.
(DIR) Post #ArY603ePugAZaHYKYq by Marguerite@mastodon.nl
2025-02-27T16:10:48Z
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@aral The practical solution I found in the comments was #LibreWolf. I'll have a look at that browser. Just being interested in alternative solutions.#browsers
(DIR) Post #ArY6kZBkzMrmiYKAHw by SilentDetective@social.vivaldi.net
2025-02-27T16:19:19Z
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@aral Damn, not firefox too. It was the last *mainstream* browser that didn't exploit your privacy. People who want to switch, Vivaldi, Brave and other firefox forks are still open (though you should do your research before moving)
(DIR) Post #ArYFENnAiz91h0YMca by aapis@mastodon.world
2025-02-27T17:54:17Z
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@aral that’s it, I’m making my own browser from scratch. Forget the blackjack and hookers, I just want to browse the internet sometimes
(DIR) Post #ArYFJyLsDwUQWpRxkO by Iapar@feddit.org
2025-02-27T17:02:16.253717Z
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Is that how religion started? Someone not understanding how something works and then living life in fear of some imagined horror scenario?
(DIR) Post #ArYFJzddROI8WClf4S by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2025-02-27T17:55:17Z
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@Iapar Oh, the irony.
(DIR) Post #ArYKCEmljsz2x2A3Qu by SpaceLifeForm@infosec.exchange
2025-02-27T18:50:01Z
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@aral Fork it.
(DIR) Post #ArYn5OWu0fRlocpSaG by sb@metroholografix.ca
2025-02-28T00:12:48Z
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@aral Has anyone successfully run their own FF sync server? I have tried twice recently with no success.
(DIR) Post #ArZTI038JPKkIdfVXU by jazzonbike@mastodon.social
2025-02-28T08:06:44Z
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@aral Sorry, meant the Brave Browser https://brave.com/
(DIR) Post #ArZTlaWzkkx1qLkFhw by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2025-02-28T08:11:45Z
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@jazzonbike So did I.