Post ArNb9yTrHcsJMMkahM by futurebird@sauropods.win
(DIR) More posts by futurebird@sauropods.win
(DIR) Post #ArNYNa1chlfPhjL7p2 by dahukanna@mastodon.social
2025-02-22T13:52:04Z
0 likes, 1 repeats
@futurebird do you have any Andragogy suggestions for teaching people, who are not developers, about computer file system?I work with someone who was essentially setting up a developer environment for Javascript on their windows laptop from GitHub repository. It was a challenge to explain what a terminal is & how directory structure listed using “due” command relates to the file explorer “folders” as the views are completely different.Any links/refs to beginner resources would be appreciated.
(DIR) Post #ArNYNatVTQliOqY9oG by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-22T14:07:38Z
0 likes, 1 repeats
@dahukanna I have a lesson I wrote for my students who can program but never used the command line before. Here are the exercises I do with them. You'd need to adapt it to that command line but I think it's basically similar?Here is the rest of the lesson. I haven't worked it up for "general use" but maybe it's a start?https://drive.google.com/file/d/13e2fy3NTni3qBsojJXSM-ipBhMkF-q8j/view?usp=sharingAlso here is a "how to" for teachers on file types. Our school uses macs so it's all written with macs in mind. https://drive.google.com/file/d/11j35b4DLwmgbAbbGDwbSJpMkWFyjdmaG/view?usp=sharing
(DIR) Post #ArNZ73teUSsxNdIZua by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-22T14:15:52Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@dahukanna I think the main thing is to learn to switch between the command line and the finder or other GUI. Do something on the command line and see that it happens in the finder, do it in the finder and see it happens on the command line. Once my students did that a few times they "got" it.
(DIR) Post #ArNZGq7QZRylXqP8W8 by dahukanna@mastodon.social
2025-02-22T14:17:37Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@futurebird thanks, will take a look and share what I come up with to contribute.
(DIR) Post #ArNZbhmal8BVlwblh2 by dahukanna@mastodon.social
2025-02-22T14:21:23Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@futurebird I really wish there was a “tool” for exchanging mental models between people.I really struggled to explain why and how both perspectives were displaying the same “object” in such different ways. That was a recipe for confusion.(Note: I’ve been using computers since MS-DOS 3.0, have used Windows, MacOS and Linux for decades)
(DIR) Post #ArNZzTFESlKDdKKwL2 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-22T14:25:43Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@dahukanna It could be that the people you were working with didn't have a great understanding of the GUI file navigator to begin with. By the time I do this lesson I've been hammering my students on how they need to organize their projects into folder for half a semester. They often have not thought much about files or folder or the difference between a program and a files or any of that. You can't learn to do something in a new context if you don't "get" the old one?
(DIR) Post #ArNaxE4M0v4NwUk4GW by dahukanna@mastodon.social
2025-02-22T14:36:28Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@futurebird That’s a great tip and I did not think to “validate” my assumption that the explanation/understanding/mental model gap was GUI vs CLI.I observed that they only interacted with the /Documents folder and were confused why “c:/Users/(user name)/Documents” was the “place/location” on their hard disk.
(DIR) Post #ArNb9yTrHcsJMMkahM by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-22T14:38:48Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@dahukanna Modern applications make it much harder to understand file structures. I sometimes think this is intentional to keep people from really using their computers in powerful ways, but it's probably just that many people can get by without really knowing where anything is and hardly even knowing WHAT it is. *sigh*
(DIR) Post #ArNcCsHwrUL2yi7to0 by dahukanna@mastodon.social
2025-02-22T14:50:26Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@futurebird I call that: “home delivery” mode. Someone has created, followed a recipe and cooked the meal. You only need to pick from a list, have it delivered & pay for their service+effort+tip.If you want to cook the meal yourself, you are going to have to learn “developer mode”.1. Set up your kitchen, pots, pans, utensils, measuring spoons and cups, food processor, etc.2. Find or make the recipe + instructions + ingredients for the meal.3. Spend the time and effort making the meal.
(DIR) Post #ArNcSKp33W2fomyrOy by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-22T14:53:19Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@dahukanna That's a great metaphor!
(DIR) Post #ArNe4f3eMvXNXHeLiK by gregalotl@c.im
2025-02-22T15:11:26Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@futurebird @dahukanna I had to teach my late mum all about this. I had her on Linux (I don't use & wouldn't support Windows) and the file browser is sooo much better than on Windows. The interesting problem was explaining how directory storage is so limiting compared to tagging (though both can be used in parallel). She used to put her photos in arbitrarily named folders that could never describe all they needed to and I'd ask her to a)put them in a year/month/day folder hierarchy and then b) use her photo app (Digikam) to tag the photos. Then she'd have the benefit of a logical and consistent file storage AND tagging that would allow multiple ways to subset the photos irrespective of storage location. I think the same would apply to other file types, though perhaps the nesting should be project oriented rather than date.Interesting to think about a Git storage model too?
(DIR) Post #ArNfNRzbGlYeTFHLKC by jandi@mastodon.social
2025-02-22T15:25:20Z
0 likes, 1 repeats
@dahukanna @futurebird This article discusses the issue and has a lot of links, maybe you find it useful: https://www.theverge.com/22684730/students-file-folder-directory-structure-education-gen-z
(DIR) Post #ArPASJN62bgyuz1iZE by melis@mastodon.social
2025-02-23T08:48:55Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@futurebird @dahukanna Did you ever come across the ‘traceroute hack’. Someone created a poem that would come across your screen when you ran traceroute on a specific address. https://blog.benjojo.co.uk/post/tNot for beginners, but at least a fun demo of command line shenanigans.
(DIR) Post #ArPBmLXvlUN3PPDBZI by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-23T09:03:48Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@melis @dahukanna "This blog post cannot be found, Please check your URL" :(
(DIR) Post #ArPC4DBvZD7mi1RG6K by melis@mastodon.social
2025-02-23T09:06:51Z
0 likes, 1 repeats
@futurebird @dahukanna Odd. I dropped it in the Wayback Machine to make sure now…https://web.archive.org/web/20250209194745/https://blog.benjojo.co.uk/post/traceroute-haikus
(DIR) Post #ArPY9rGKD3QpQUapWq by melis@mastodon.social
2025-02-23T13:13:14Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@c0dec0dec0de @btuftin @futurebird @dahukanna Combined with port knocking?
(DIR) Post #ArPY9rpQ6ZVLBL0rEO by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-23T13:14:35Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@melis @c0dec0dec0de @btuftin @dahukanna Please keep things PG 13 OK?
(DIR) Post #ArPYQZMA2JfmobI7SS by melis@mastodon.social
2025-02-23T13:17:37Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@futurebird @c0dec0dec0de @btuftin @dahukanna On Friday I was showing a colleague Mastodon. And suddenly a thought flashed through my head… ‘I no NSFW things flash by because I browse with all content warnings open…’Luckily no tender feelings got hurt… or sparked. :bongoCat:
(DIR) Post #AryoPRjqidNwBx2TQ0 by MarionMiller@mastodon.social
2025-03-12T13:31:32Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@futurebird @dahukanna Firstly I would say JBEE SPY TEAM are the only hacker you can go to for positive outcome here. Customer service is great. I told them I needed a full phone hack on my target, and with my target number they were able to remotely get me in. Now I can see and delete what I want from the phone, a very big thanks to JBEE SPY TEAM I recommend their service to anyone who needs it via conleyjbeespy606@gmail.com, JBEE SPY TEAM telegram +44 7456 058620