Post ArMbsFrNplOeqQuOkS by SLPulley@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #ArMJeWk8T4H3yfp5Xs by cookiesinheaven@m.ai6yr.org
2025-02-21T22:54:07Z
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🎶all the married ladies...all the married ladies...🎶
(DIR) Post #ArMJeY2xcYvW1LddWi by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-21T23:47:54Z
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@cookiesinheaven OK. I'm in this boat and keep seeing this but just as a meme. Is there any more evidence of how this might work? Has democracy docket said anything?
(DIR) Post #ArMMsviIj0WZL3WZCy by MisterMoo@mstdn.social
2025-02-22T00:24:06Z
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@futurebird @cookiesinheaven No reputable sources apparently posting about it, just one JPEG-artifacty social media screenshot that looks like it was cobbled together in MS Paint? Let me get my pitchfork.
(DIR) Post #ArMN4lzMhuIueX9Yi8 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-22T00:26:17Z
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@MisterMoo @cookiesinheaven If it's real we need to act. If *not* it might discourage people from voting.
(DIR) Post #ArMNGM2izzc9esFNdA by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-22T00:28:20Z
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@MisterMoo @cookiesinheaven We must not spread vague unease. The unease must be very specific and actionable.
(DIR) Post #ArMNKK8a1eT0uGsWuW by nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.social
2025-02-22T00:28:57Z
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@futurebird @MisterMoo @cookiesinheaven Well, I believe the point here is that the current administration has singled out trans people in particular as one of their biggest scapegoats and are attacking things like pronoun/name changes/etc. To that extent, it's likely to also sweep up a lot of other people, including the above example being a distinct possibility.
(DIR) Post #ArMO36lCbkoORwIZW4 by chillicampari@layer8.space
2025-02-22T00:37:08Z
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@futurebird here's the full bill text. It is a real disenfranchisement bill, but I can't analyse it right now https://www.congress.gov/119/bills/hr22/BILLS-119hr22ih.pdf
(DIR) Post #ArMOeSkZoSRDMfom5A by kellyromanych@mastodon.social
2025-02-22T00:43:54Z
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@futurebird here is the current status https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/119/s128@MisterMoo @cookiesinheaven
(DIR) Post #ArMOfypo0eTRA6zHHc by flashesofpanic@ruby.social
2025-02-22T00:44:12Z
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@futurebird I found this which makes it sound like the bill is real, and it's bad (like all this BS, it's claiming to solve a problem that's not real and creates a lot of other problems in doing so) but it's "massive inconvenience for everyone, worst for people who've changed their name, thereby lowering turnout" and not "mass statutory disenfranchisement." It's death by a million paper cuts, not a boot to the head. https://thedispatch.com/article/assessing-claims-about-the-save-act/@cookiesinheaven
(DIR) Post #ArMbsFrNplOeqQuOkS by SLPulley@mastodon.social
2025-02-22T03:12:03Z
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Glamour: What is the SAVE Act?The legislation would require all potential voters to provide, in person, proof of citizenship, such as a passport or birth certificate, when they register or reregister to vote. So, for instance, if you’re already registered to vote but move to another state, you would probably need to present one of these documents, in addition to a photo ID, at a government office when you reregister...https://www.glamour.com/story/save-act-could-stop-millions-women-voting@futurebird @cookiesinheaven
(DIR) Post #ArMgfu5zQY7ldhfdZY by marymessall@mendeddrum.org
2025-02-22T04:05:50Z
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@futurebird @MisterMoo @cookiesinheaven I read the bill. Also, I'm an election judge who registers voters, and a married woman who has changed my name. As of right now, with the text of the law as written... As an election judge, I would not be able to register a woman who (like me) had changed her name at marriage, unless she had a Real ID or a passport that matched her married name.
(DIR) Post #ArMkMWNnlYJaPV10BE by Legit_Spaghetti@mastodo.neoliber.al
2025-02-22T04:47:09Z
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@futurebird @cookiesinheaven I've read the bill's text. See here:https://www.congress.gov/119/bills/hr22/BILLS-119hr22ih.xmlThe bill allows for people to register to vote with a valid US passport. It's chicanery and voter disenfranchisement, but the original meme in this thread about women who took their spouse's name no longer being able to vote is false.
(DIR) Post #ArMxJOwgGDQnsYAjSq by marymessall@mendeddrum.org
2025-02-22T04:06:25Z
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@futurebird @MisterMoo @cookiesinheaven Is it possible to get those documents in your married name, as a married woman? Usually. To get a Real ID or a passport in your married name as a woman, you need to present both your birth certificate AND your marriage certificate (which serves as your legal name change documentation) as well as a current proof of address.2/n
(DIR) Post #ArMxJPvIcpv8uYX8wy by marymessall@mendeddrum.org
2025-02-22T04:07:17Z
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@futurebird @MisterMoo @cookiesinheaven If these are lost, it is usually possible to order a registered copy, but can take months to get that copy, and cost $100+ or so. (And I say it's "usually" possible because, if you don't know what county you were born in, for instance, you will have a really hard time getting a copy of your birth certificate. Also, clerical errors happen. Records get misplaced. Names get misspelled.)3/n
(DIR) Post #ArMxJQucwoydylE7Xc by marymessall@mendeddrum.org
2025-02-22T04:08:18Z
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@futurebird @MisterMoo @cookiesinheaven If you're a woman who doesn't have a passport or driver's license (which, remember, citizens in this country are NOT required to have!) you would think you could register to vote by using the same documents that are required to GET those forms of ID -- a birth certificate and marriage certificate or other legal name change document. But there's no provision in the law as written to allow for people to register to vote by showing those documents.4/n
(DIR) Post #ArMxJRwn6GInBlFMYK by marymessall@mendeddrum.org
2025-02-22T04:10:08Z
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@futurebird @MisterMoo @cookiesinheaven Honestly this is probably a dumb mistake which would get fixed before the law actually passed.But as an election judge I can also write a whole other post (not at this moment) about why this kind of law is unnecessary. We already require people to be citizens in order to vote. It's already hard to get away with breaking those laws, and a felony if you are caught.So this is just going to disenfranchise a bunch of people for no real reason. 5/n
(DIR) Post #ArMxJjYdcng3o45KPA by marymessall@mendeddrum.org
2025-02-22T04:11:30Z
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@futurebird @MisterMoo @cookiesinheaven Very few non-citzens will be kept from voting, because that almost never happens anyway. But lots of married women will be (if it's not modified). And lots of people who, due to clerical errors or due to poverty or due to irresponsible parents don't have a lot of documentation about their birth, will also be kept from voting. Lots of pain, no gain.So and I hope and believe that even if it passes the House, it will get filibustered in the Senate.6/n
(DIR) Post #ArMxJvmCCDeVhaWKCe by marymessall@mendeddrum.org
2025-02-22T04:19:59Z
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@futurebird @MisterMoo @cookiesinheaven My biggest worry is that the stupid omission of "marriage certificate + birth certificate" will get fixed in the Senate version. And then, with the threat to married women like me gone, a few Democrats may side with Republicans on what will then sound to many people like a normal "election security" bill.Again, you already have to prove citizenship to register to vote. It's just that most states have more flexibility on how you do that.7/n
(DIR) Post #ArMxK64ztAdLenOTtg by marymessall@mendeddrum.org
2025-02-22T04:24:48Z
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@futurebird @MisterMoo @cookiesinheaven Native American Tribal IDs. Sworn statements from people who knew your parents. Expired passports or licenses. States can allow all kinds of evidence for identity and citizenship right now. This bill would narrow that list. Aside from trans people and married women, there are a whole bunch of other people who could be disenfranchised, even if old documents plus name change records are added to the list of acceptable documents.8/n
(DIR) Post #ArMxKGeoYrE4SmEE76 by marymessall@mendeddrum.org
2025-02-22T04:27:19Z
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@futurebird @MisterMoo @cookiesinheaven Poor people may not be able to afford the fees for ID & certified documents. Homeless people can't get mail. Old people may not have birth certificates & may not, in some cases, know when exactly or where exactly they were born (record keeping wasn't that great 80 or 90 years ago.) Same with people who grew up in cults or abusive households -- they may not have documents, & may not know enough about the circumstances of their birth to get them.9/n
(DIR) Post #ArMxKP1nRIMYQN2h2u by marymessall@mendeddrum.org
2025-02-22T04:29:36Z
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@futurebird @MisterMoo @cookiesinheaven So anyway, it could disenfranchise some married women if it actually passed in its current form. But the bigger problem is if it gets modified so that it doesn't disenfranchise as many married women, and then BECAUSE of that modification it passes, and ends up disenfranchising a whole bunch of other people.10/end of thread
(DIR) Post #ArNKV01n1kbB1F3rPc by raccoon@hollow.raccoon.quest
2025-02-22T11:32:08.868Z
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@cookiesinheaven@m.ai6yr.org So, what I'm about to say does NOT make this any better, but I assumed they did this to take the vote from trans people who changed their name legally. Is the married women thing the actual target or just a side effect?
(DIR) Post #ArNSx5Lnd8NPGjK9GC by simrob@social.wub.site
2025-02-22T00:50:14Z
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@chillicampari @futurebird it has *NOT* passed the house according to https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/22/text/ih This seems to me like a weird troll like the RWBland rather than something that has a chance to pass the house, much less the senate.
(DIR) Post #ArNSx6KlyR9KJpqqIa by guyjantic@infosec.exchange
2025-02-22T01:52:10Z
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@simrob @chillicampari @futurebird I'm happy it didn't!I think this is how the GOP works:low-status GOP legislators want higher statusStatus can be gained by out-MAGAing each otherThey one-up each other to see who can propose the most ultra-MAGA bills (extrapolating from what MAGA has already done)SOMETIMES THAT SHIT PASSESMost of it doesn't pass, but some of it does. I am firmly in favor of keeping a close eye on the bastards, because they will keep churning out increasingly hateful stuff, and Congress will keep passing a portion of it. This is one way things keep getting worse.
(DIR) Post #ArNSx7BEpN7IwYOk4m by simrob@social.wub.site
2025-02-22T07:00:39Z
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@guyjantic in principle this is a great idea, but as @futurebird said, misrepresenting the status and likelihood of these bills can *discourage folks from voting* which is doing the white supremacists’ work for them
(DIR) Post #ArNSx82lcLw1cZRUVk by guyjantic@infosec.exchange
2025-02-22T13:02:41Z
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@simrob @futurebird What is the not-great idea? I don't think I suggested any course of action.
(DIR) Post #ArNSx8gTEjh5bi1COe by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-22T13:06:39Z
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@guyjantic @simrob I think the impression the original post could leave "this has already passed and now you probably can't vote" with no mention of anything to do to stop it or clarity about how likely it really is or what sort of help is really needed isn't the best. It's vague unease. We are in a torrent of sewage, that's part of the tactics of the right to make it feel like so many things are broken all you can do is curl up and try not to get hit by all the flying ... shit.
(DIR) Post #ArNTA7Glo6S8z7BXbE by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-22T13:09:12Z
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@guyjantic @simrob They message that the right is deliberately clumsy and indiscriminate and people who think they aren't next in line are closer than they think is fine. But, I worry that as presented many people will just remember "I might not even be allowed to vote" and give up on what is already a needlessly difficult and limited form of influence.
(DIR) Post #ArNTtjy8lnUe2ZE6pE by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-22T13:17:21Z
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@simrob @guyjantic My initial impression of this post was that it meant "if you are married and changed your name now you can't vote"The only reason I didn't think that was true was it's kind of wild, and I follow a number of voting rights orgs that would have mentioned that millions of women were suddenly disenfranchised like this. People will see this and THAT will be what they take from it. And not just the precious married ladies but all kinds of people who have changed their name.