Post ArJfXTjerp4y8ilQx6 by ax3@wizard.casa
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(DIR) Post #ArJdnnqvdi8HG0oyQK by lucy@netzsphaere.xyz
2025-02-20T16:49:35.446975Z
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it's impressive how universities put pressure on students, not so they may earn skills or knowledge, but simply to have a chunk of them predictably drop out early, and STILL a ton of people walk out of these places unable to work in their field. time, money and mental health wasted for what? so HR drones put you into entry level jobs were you start to actually gather the skills you need :meowUpsideDown:
(DIR) Post #ArJei8yqH4wT04O7Cy by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-02-20T16:59:47.992933Z
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@lucy >STILL a ton of people walk out of these places unable to work in their fieldI have a possible explanation for this that comes from my experience with unis.Those that graduate and and can handle the pressure usually aren't of the actual working types. They acclimated to the uni atmosphere, learned many pointless things and in the end many of them just stay there researching other pointless things nobody cares about. >so HR drones put you into entry level jobs were you start to actually gather the skills you needUnis won't teach you most of the things you would need in a work environment anyway. They are just an entry ticket for higher paying jobs that tells the future employer you can handle the pressure and stress. As a side-effect it tells the employer, they can force you to work harder and you probably won't complain.
(DIR) Post #ArJeiqMky2cZYguJxA by lain@lain.com
2025-02-20T16:59:55.561118Z
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@lucy i think it's nearly purely a signal, it's not about learning (plus some propaganda). i think caplan's "the case against education" is the best overview of the idea.
(DIR) Post #ArJekCMefCS24hVQSO by Takom@netzsphaere.xyz
2025-02-20T17:00:11.873381Z
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@lucy I had to help a master's degree holder make a makefile two weeks ago.
(DIR) Post #ArJesRywTvhkpQLia0 by lucy@netzsphaere.xyz
2025-02-20T17:01:40.752931Z
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@Takom jesus christ :lainstress:
(DIR) Post #ArJfXTjerp4y8ilQx6 by ax3@wizard.casa
2025-02-20T17:05:38.236389Z
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@phnt @lucy> Those that graduate and and can handle the pressure usually aren't of the actual working types. They acclimated to the uni atmosphere, learned many pointless things and in the end many of them just stay there researching other pointless things nobody cares about.i've seen these types come onto teams i've worked with. they don't last, at least i've never seen one last.> Unis won't teach you most of the things you would need in a work environment anyway. They are just an entry ticket for higher paying jobs that tells the future employer you can handle the pressure and stress. As a side-effect it tells the employer, they can force you to work harder and you probably won't complain.most that i've seen come from (whatever) school are eager to walk the salary ladder versus doing actual computer science or whatever function they're hired for. most of the people i've seen from uni are usually on a short-leash until they earn the trust of engineering as a whole.meanwhile, i dropped out of college so long ago and relied on rtfm to slice out my career. so far it's worked well.
(DIR) Post #ArJfXUapg7c6nddtpo by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-02-20T17:09:03.513798Z
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@ax3 @lucy >meanwhile, i dropped out of college so long ago and relied on rtfm to slice out my career. so far it's worked well.My guess is that you are in IT, because this don't fly almost anywhere else. You are a nobody without a degree in engineering (mechanical, electrical, civilian), medical or even economics field. IT is unique in this case, as they also care about certs which as a concept barely exists anywhere else.
(DIR) Post #ArJfurBlplXLXW3qRU by ax3@wizard.casa
2025-02-20T17:12:40.894416Z
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@phnt @lucy> My guess is that you are in IT, because this don't fly almost anywhere else. You are a nobody without a degree in engineering (mechanical, electrical, civilian), medical or even economics field. IT is unique in this case, as they also care about certs which as a concept barely exists anywhere else.if it included cryptography, distributed computing systems, and security then yes. but it wasn't always "wild wild west" bullshit. in the 90s and 00s you had to have experience + a degree. after a while this was loosened and is not really a barrier to entry. colleges were wasting students time learning shit that was outdated or had little to do with computer science. certs these days are really not hiring factors anymore, but more so "nice to have".but understand what you mean about getting into something like accounting, electrician, etc.
(DIR) Post #ArJg1mFUbCQ0FI6NIu by condret@shitposter.world
2025-02-20T17:14:34.686345Z
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@lucy yep, and it was this pressure that demotivated me from seriously approaching university. i went there to learn interesting things, and all i got was a shitton of maths and professors telling us that we don't need any of this and that their lectures only exist as a filter
(DIR) Post #ArJgCblbuXo2vDI01Y by lucy@netzsphaere.xyz
2025-02-20T17:16:31.833255Z
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@condret i feel really sorry and angry at this state of things tbh
(DIR) Post #ArJgFYUaXfvRdPjUOm by snacks@netzsphaere.xyz
2025-02-20T17:17:03.565019Z
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@lucy probably learned more useful stuff during my apprenticeship than the 2 years at uni, and that left me unable to sleep, with hair falling out, gaining weight back like crazy and with my confidence in shambles
(DIR) Post #ArJgL8iNIOXZQMqNvM by snacks@netzsphaere.xyz
2025-02-20T17:18:04.058303Z
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@lucy yet i won't be able to apply at a bunch of places or abroad purely because i don't have a bachelors
(DIR) Post #ArJgVKg5fiEjQIdU6i by snacks@netzsphaere.xyz
2025-02-20T17:19:54.931033Z
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@lucy @Takom had someone who just finished his bachelors in cs who couldn't write a linear search :DDD
(DIR) Post #ArJgrkqR44QQwuANDE by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-02-20T17:23:56.536970Z
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@ax3 @lucy >if it included cryptography, distributed computing systems, and security then yes.I wouldn't trust a college dropout with cryptography.With security it depends on experience and the type of security. Securing internal servers and general system maintenance, maybe if they at least had some longer self-hosting experience and proved competent over some time period. Writing and auditing security in applications. Likely not.
(DIR) Post #ArJgsHimpWumujqEN6 by snacks@netzsphaere.xyz
2025-02-20T17:23:52.788098Z
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@lucy ok, some of the stuff i learned at uni i still use today and no one teaches you anything abstract in an apprenticeship, anything useful i learned was out of my own initiative. Both suck balls in their own ways
(DIR) Post #ArJhV5JStkGNiwUywK by condret@shitposter.world
2025-02-20T17:31:04.154752Z
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@lucy just to make clear, originally there were 3 modules of math, they squashed those into 2 to increase the pressure in order to achieve a dropout rate of 80%. i think this should be called the anglofication of german universities, as it goes completly against humboldt's original idea of universities.
(DIR) Post #ArJjV4SoFuDczwzUEC by Takom@netzsphaere.xyz
2025-02-20T17:51:24.348431Z
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@mia @snacks @lucy I got hired because I showed my boss my homelab and faked my way through a couple sentences in german.
(DIR) Post #ArJqri14a0Wjibl6ga by ax3@wizard.casa
2025-02-20T19:15:09.440298Z
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@phnt @lucy> I wouldn't trust a college dropout with cryptography.in general i would agree. save the person who's math-obsessed from a young age. it's been 3 decades of this discipline. i've taken some online math courses to fill in gaps that the libraries did not.> With security it depends on experience and the type of security. Securing internal servers and general system maintenance, maybe if they at least had some longer self-hosting experience and proved competent over some time period. Writing and auditing security in applications. Likely not.one of the interns we hire he's a smart guy. maybe 22. fresh out of college. has similar experience to what you mention but struggles to piece it all together much less understanding a secure-by-design approach to software (and in general systems). what i like about him is, he knows his limits but pushes past them to learn and understand. he's really fun to pair with and often teaches me things i may have missed.i think tech will always be an odd mix of pedigreed and dropout folks.i hope to retire soon. skynet is calling
(DIR) Post #ArJzM22RVAzC8XMyHI by dagda@netzsphaere.xyz
2025-02-20T20:39:33.706775Z
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@snacks @lucy current day university education is the biggest bureaucratic spook. Perhaps you dropping out was because you were genuinely interested in learning and access to jobs, not distinction and power over others.For the "human" beings that solely go through this to become part of the professional managerial class I do wish them an immensely painful fuck around and find out tho
(DIR) Post #ArK3MaQ04sBMa4uNRQ by snacks@netzsphaere.xyz
2025-02-20T21:36:00.391845Z
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@dagda @lucy nah, i dropped out because i stressed myself so hard over the math exams i got a fever and felt like i had a cold lmao
(DIR) Post #ArK3kkUOHnmOlUU2G8 by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-02-20T21:40:23.522433Z
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@snacks @dagda @lucy That's sadly the baseline these days. I had annoying sharp pain and other somewhat severe physical and mental issues. At first I thought I was the only one, but it turned out that I wasn't. And FF to today and nothing has changed for the better.