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(DIR) Post #ArAoXUq9uTGejOFTsG by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-16T10:37:27Z
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If you really love an artwork or drawing or cartoon writing an image description of it is an excellent way to connect with it more. You could just say "I love this it's amazing" but if you describe it so that someone else can see exactly why you like it so much?I don't know you really "see" it then in a way that's deeper.
(DIR) Post #ArAoijOy6wfB4tt6lE by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-16T10:39:28Z
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My grade 5 students make animations and we have a "showcase" where we watch them all together. I write descriptions of each animation and read the description before we watch it. For some reason they LOVE this. Once I skipped reading the description and there was nearly a riot. The desorptions are very literal. I want the students to know what parts of their idea were clearly communicated in their animations. I didn't expect them to be so popular, though!
(DIR) Post #ArAp8rnRWQoedvnWoy by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-16T10:44:14Z
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For my students and when trying to write alt text online I try to be objective. I think this is important even though it's also important to recognize that it's impossible to be perfectly objective. All descriptions say something about the perspective of the person writing the text. But, the challenge is to write descriptions that will meet with wide agreement from many different kinds of viewers. So, it's a very useful critical process. I may ask older students to do this for each other.
(DIR) Post #ArAqBBi0Yk4IvvvV1U by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-16T10:55:51Z
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I worry that when we say "nothing can be objective" some people take it to mean "it's not worth trying to be objective"Taking the best objective stance you can is massively useful. It forces you to not just think about what you are thinking and seeing but what other people may think and see. And to look for, in the intersection of all of those perspectives, what is really *there.*It's because nothing can ever be perfectly objective that's it's all the more important to make this effort.
(DIR) Post #ArAqXlUyAtUiIuar4K by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-16T10:59:57Z
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The other thing I worry about is that my attention and excitement for crafting "The Best Possible Image Description" may intimidate people from just slapping on some alt text ... it's not that big of a deal. It's important that you do it more than doing it perfectly. And often I'm tired and just write something very basic. Because, otherwise the post is a mess and would make no sense. You don't want that do you?I'm just saying, don't get uptight and intimidated and NOT do the alt text at all.
(DIR) Post #ArAqcAcAjeT3MJ3xhI by BradRubenstein@infosec.exchange
2025-02-16T11:00:36Z
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@futurebird So objectivity is an intention, not an outcome. Nice frame.
(DIR) Post #ArAqt56uS9l3D7VJ6e by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-16T11:03:48Z
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IDK it's just really neat to me that something that started out seeming like a chore I had to do for other people ended up benefiting *me* so much. Even informing the rest of my work. I think things work like this more often than we think.
(DIR) Post #ArAs7BAEqHm1zhLaJk by jfrench@cupoftea.social
2025-02-16T11:14:09Z
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@TAV @futurebird if it's someone else's image or a screenshot then I think just descriptive.If it's your own image I think you can add your own flavour to the alt text. You know what you were trying to say with the image, the things that are important in it so add all of that. I don't have visual impairment, but in am neuro diverse and I'll often read the alt text to see what I should be getting from a picture.
(DIR) Post #ArAujPN6fQM2yEism8 by a@beige.party
2025-02-16T11:46:49Z
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@futurebird Sometimes the best things I read on Mastodon are in the ALT text of images. If you’re not looking at or writing fun ALT text for images, you’re really missing out on that extra dimension. Plus support your blind/sight impaired homies! ✊🫶
(DIR) Post #ArB3IBspbj5auEet04 by JetlagJen@geekdom.social
2025-02-16T13:22:44Z
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@futurebird I completely agree.Writing alt text makes me think about which elements are most obvious, versus which are most important. It encourages me to consider how my eye moves around the image and what I notice along the way.I like to match the tone of alt to the tone of the picture. For example, "a close-up of a dog's nose" might be "goodest girl's snoot is ready for a boop".But as you say, any alt is better than none. Making the effort (or inviting help) is good and right.
(DIR) Post #ArB5PnBNWorOWT5PA8 by LordCaramac@discordian.social
2025-02-16T13:46:31Z
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@futurebird Whenever I don't really know how to describe an image, I use the altbot.
(DIR) Post #ArB7QJ0fOZNf8pRrGq by RadicalAnthro@c.im
2025-02-16T14:09:02Z
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@futurebird how science should work, isn't it? Try to give the best description you can of how the world works, then others check it by replicating the steps. As anthropologists we think of this checking as ritual.
(DIR) Post #ArB7pAzwJt1pX6y3Dk by strangetruther@masto.ai
2025-02-16T14:13:29Z
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@futurebird Sounds great! What packages/programs etc do you/they use for these animations?
(DIR) Post #ArB9DW2Vq6kHhELBui by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-16T14:29:09Z
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@DavidM_yeg It's like they started learning about postmodernism got depressed and gave up. I think this is a difference between the contemporary right and the right of decades ago. From "There is only ONE truth." to "There is no one truth so I might as well do whatever what I want."I think this is a much less stable foundation in someways.
(DIR) Post #ArBHkZX8fY1XipwJ4S by CatHat@mstdn.party
2025-02-16T16:04:44Z
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@futurebird a bad description can make the picture impossible to resolve.As an example think about The Dress. i see light blue and tan-gold but it honestly gives me a massive headache.
(DIR) Post #ArBHsvd4OyYSZEhMES by CatHat@mstdn.party
2025-02-16T16:06:15Z
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@futurebird the flip side is that for people who lack the ability to describe it, a lot of us straight up DO NOT SEE many things about stuff.
(DIR) Post #ArBI3ewCnfzbz9lWsq by CatHat@mstdn.party
2025-02-16T16:08:12Z
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@futurebird literal image description is often the most useful
(DIR) Post #ArBP2Ak0HjpXimIQrI by williampietri@sfba.social
2025-02-16T17:26:19Z
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@futurebird Absolutely! Some people take objectivity as a destination, a place that they arrive at (or start at). For me it's a direction of travel. We never arrive at "up"; we just keep seeing if we can get a bit higher.
(DIR) Post #ArBPSTtzfPvug4VwMy by aubilenon@peoplemaking.games
2025-02-16T17:31:06Z
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@futurebird @williampietri This feels like a part of a larger principle. Everything is always complicated and nothing in this world can be perfect, but we all just gotta keep trying to do our best!
(DIR) Post #ArBX3NZwq5ePSZgBXs by mavu@mastodon.social
2025-02-16T18:55:58Z
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@futurebird you would make an excelent wikipedian.
(DIR) Post #ArCabijJCVanvP5ITg by zkrisher@tweesecake.social
2025-02-17T07:10:45Z
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@futurebird Formal can be done by AI, give me your perspective.