Post Ar9oscSaa2SxHqKun2 by philmchawk@poa.st
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(DIR) Post #Ar9aXpnAQ1V3CB9ksC by merchantHelios@poa.st
2025-02-15T20:26:01.504015Z
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JRPGslop bros....
(DIR) Post #Ar9agwwFDZTRxwkTxo by DrRyanSkelton@mugicha.club
2025-02-15T20:27:40.101675Z
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Remember that SMT is considered hardcore among JRPG fans because they added "Use the blue attack on the red nigga" and "Use debuffs and buffs" which is way more strategy than JRPGqueers can tolerate
(DIR) Post #Ar9anHeR7Zk7wWRJGi by philmchawk@poa.st
2025-02-15T20:28:46.428524Z
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@merchantHelios FF2
(DIR) Post #Ar9atAZ4NjKJhZjg4u by supersid333@gearlandia.haus
2025-02-15T20:29:50.591140Z
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@merchantHelios Proper SMT is moderately better since it's primarily about buff debuff economy but thats also not hard to manage with stuff like Luster Candy, Dekunda, and Debilitate in the mid to late game.
(DIR) Post #Ar9axCyZMIGmL3aZX6 by Wiz@loli.church
2025-02-15T20:30:36.716Z
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@merchantHelios@poa.st FF7 was peak and it has been all down hill ever since.
(DIR) Post #Ar9bUYyOauts7NPdNA by sysrq@lab.nyanide.com
2025-02-15T20:36:37.717705Z
1 likes, 1 repeats
@merchantHelios Video games suck.
(DIR) Post #Ar9cDNzuFSLF6oUa36 by pwm@lab.nyanide.com
2025-02-15T20:44:43.825634Z
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@sysrq @merchantHelios Don't play video games, make them.
(DIR) Post #Ar9cF9U9AwIUgATlom by DrRyanSkelton@mugicha.club
2025-02-15T20:45:02.980262Z
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@supersid333 @merchantHelios I am opposed to press turn because it
(DIR) Post #Ar9cTBi3haMddFgAHw by DrRyanSkelton@mugicha.club
2025-02-15T20:47:34.952010Z
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@supersid333 @merchantHelios I am opposed to press turn because it factorially expands your actions for something you do anyway, which just distorts and diminishes the balance of your individual actions except for making sure they always double themselves. Plus since SMT likes applying percentage modifiers on difficulty, it means Hard with the ToHit debuff of that difficulty turns it into "you have a 20% chance to lose your entire turn every single time you attack when you have not fully buffed ToHit in your favor." which is fucking stupid.
(DIR) Post #Ar9cbrk7J7gGJQmPBo by sysrq@lab.nyanide.com
2025-02-15T20:49:09.939646Z
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@pwm @merchantHelios :terryapproves:
(DIR) Post #Ar9dM6wf7MEkmZhPHc by supersid333@gearlandia.haus
2025-02-15T20:57:29.390873Z
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@DrRyanSkelton @merchantHelios Thats fair, it can make fights really swingy in an unfun way
(DIR) Post #Ar9gWfKQR5xAB8XSAC by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2025-02-15T21:33:00.142544Z
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@DrRyanSkelton @merchantHelios It does take effort and creativity to make a turn-based JRPG that doesn't devolve into spamming strong attacks and heals. Very frequently a problem is relying heavily on MP as your main resource, while making the management of it unnecessary by giving you too many potions and whatnot. Actually having a scarce resource to manage in battle opens up more meaningful trade-offs.
(DIR) Post #Ar9gxQPQ0whDj2dMm0 by deprecated_ii@poa.st
2025-02-15T21:37:52.767203Z
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@merchantHelios fire emblem
(DIR) Post #Ar9jEXsfgfb9jKblXE by merchantHelios@poa.st
2025-02-15T22:02:56.526282Z
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@deprecated_ii TRPG, different genre
(DIR) Post #Ar9jHcVuuzsyy4Qn5M by merchantHelios@poa.st
2025-02-15T22:03:56.362913Z
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@sysrq the real clear pill is that very few actual video games exist
(DIR) Post #Ar9jKcPdkdNnWSvP7o by merchantHelios@poa.st
2025-02-15T22:04:28.997517Z
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@Wiz don't defend bad/boring/simple mechanics just because of good story
(DIR) Post #Ar9jor4XoLbHg0TX3g by snappler@poa.st
2025-02-15T22:06:01.931199Z
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@merchantHelios @Wiz I agree. Wiz is fat. FFX-2 was peak and it's been down hill ever since.
(DIR) Post #Ar9kONS5Pqp0EgQQT2 by deprecated_ii@poa.st
2025-02-15T22:15:03.454917Z
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@merchantHelios then it sounds like the JRPG genre is defined by simple combat
(DIR) Post #Ar9mLWODvfdWzlNtjc by LittleTom@poa.st
2025-02-15T22:38:15.880582Z
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@merchantHelios For turn based JRPGS without an incredibly large amount of mechanics (think something like Last Remnant) I would only strongly vouch for Etrian Odyssey. Mainline SMT has its peaks and valleys but at its best I would say they're real games and fun at that.Then you have ARPGs which are just a totally different category.Dragon Quest is the best example of a game that's fundamentally extremely simple and takes no real skill save for patience but is still fun. It's an achievement honestly.
(DIR) Post #Ar9n34XSq7JxMITOzY by merchantHelios@poa.st
2025-02-15T22:46:08.000071Z
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@deprecated_ii the JRPG genre is just people who like reading VNs but being interrupted every 5 fucking seconds to play rock paper scissors.I struggle to name a JRPG that wouldn't be improved immediately by making it an ARPG - even the Japanese realized this, hence why the FF7 remakes have the option to play them in real time.Turns out it's really hard to make turn based combat that isn't fucking boring when you don't include movement, or something
(DIR) Post #Ar9n7xBza3BO1Rl25g by William_The_Dragonborn@poa.st
2025-02-15T22:47:01.151735Z
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@merchantHelios @deprecated_ii Xenoblade games.
(DIR) Post #Ar9nc1md4m2qwrEbz6 by DrRyanSkelton@mugicha.club
2025-02-15T22:52:26.183011Z
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Can confirm EO actually makes JRPG combat into a real game while remaining elegant. You could probably make the argument that it makes you crank essentially the same five step engine each random battle and if you neglect any part of it to hit attack even once you eat shit instantly but the fights are still fun enough and rewarding.
(DIR) Post #Ar9oDbZkxoC2ff8EPA by merchantHelios@poa.st
2025-02-15T22:59:14.567355Z
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@William_The_Dragonborn @deprecated_ii willing to give you that since I know nothing about xb
(DIR) Post #Ar9oKCOD0IycaHsHgm by philmchawk@poa.st
2025-02-15T23:00:25.119614Z
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@merchantHelios @deprecated_ii ARPG? You mean button mash X/A and run when red box/circle show up under you? Oh and since it is "action" your VN is half assed and devoid of choice because they spent all their time on animating 10 enemies.
(DIR) Post #Ar9oQIRTPgBn5sJEG0 by William_The_Dragonborn@poa.st
2025-02-15T23:01:32.239410Z
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@merchantHelios @deprecated_ii The Xeno games were made by a group from Squaresoft who made Final Fantasy games, they split int SquEnix who has declined in quality and Monolithsoft who managed to surpass final fantasy with the xenoblade games
(DIR) Post #Ar9oYG97pj2SI1WYF6 by merchantHelios@poa.st
2025-02-15T23:02:58.431771Z
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@philmchawk @deprecated_ii holy butthurt, just enjoy your shitty RPS simulator and stay out of my replies if it makes you that mad
(DIR) Post #Ar9ogK3PBjYQj4h2kC by merchantHelios@poa.st
2025-02-15T23:04:25.706511Z
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@William_The_Dragonborn @deprecated_ii I know about the games, just not the specifics of the gameplay
(DIR) Post #Ar9oscSaa2SxHqKun2 by philmchawk@poa.st
2025-02-15T23:06:38.303145Z
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@merchantHelios @deprecated_ii Why would I be mad? There are tons of good turn based RPG's for me to be happy with, meanwhile ARPG the only good ones are western like path of exile. Can't wait until square dies because of it's APRG obsession.
(DIR) Post #Ar9ovbE7cdokKXzTQO by merchantHelios@poa.st
2025-02-15T23:07:11.592494Z
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@philmchawk @deprecated_ii holy retard alert
(DIR) Post #Ar9ovdQxPtGzAw0ki0 by collappsar@fediverse-lite.com
2025-02-15T23:07:10.092241Z
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@merchantHelios JRPGs suck. Japanese people can make some good games, but they eat up a lot of slop.
(DIR) Post #Ar9p2mgXQ1xVtXhwzw by philmchawk@poa.st
2025-02-15T23:08:27.431397Z
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@merchantHelios @deprecated_ii >still yet to make one argument. faggot alert. Please tell me how crisis core is good billy.
(DIR) Post #Ar9qluKtv3DAbqfSPg by LittleTom@poa.st
2025-02-15T23:27:51.285532Z
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@DrRyanSkelton @merchantHelios Usually you tool your engine to go through 3-5 routines and have to tweak it a bit based on the stratum so it's cool
(DIR) Post #Ar9r6iiwHww2fxpryi by Druid@poa.st
2025-02-15T23:31:36.978314Z
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@merchantHelios And yet I still treasure it over the most tactically advanced, high fidelity troongame slop of today
(DIR) Post #Ar9smXSAgLH7q0Us1Q by merchantHelios@poa.st
2025-02-15T23:50:22.560426Z
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@Druid to each their own
(DIR) Post #Ar9sx6dUjEWRqnpf6m by ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com
2025-02-15T23:52:14.755357Z
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@William_The_Dragonborn @deprecated_ii @merchantHelios I'd take the worst Xenoblade combat system (Future Connected) over pretty much any traditional turn-based combat system.
(DIR) Post #Ar9sximgtUSQAKQXia by Loki@whinge.town
2025-02-15T23:52:23.247986Z
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@merchantHelios this shows the person has only played 2 jrpgs :Akko_Smug:
(DIR) Post #Ar9tCM0XrJSlrwsujg by Goalkeeper@nicecrew.digital
2025-02-15T23:55:02.245139Z
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Easy(I still have no idea how this esoteric shit works)
(DIR) Post #Ar9tHrD5HF6q5aNF7g by ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com
2025-02-15T23:55:59.782798Z
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@ArdainianRight @DrRyanSkelton @merchantHelios Another option is having a good Job system with lots of Jobs and transferable attacks or/and skills, which makes character- and team-building a major part of the combat experience. By doing that AND letting you use or save up extra turns during combat, dramatically increasing the options at your disposal, Bravely Default manages to make turn-based combat genuinely fun and rewarding - but that's very much an outlier.
(DIR) Post #Ar9tNaFrEHGLEzOyES by Turdicus@poa.st
2025-02-15T23:57:04.358577Z
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@merchantHelios Is the saddest thing for me because autism rpg stuff should be a slam dunk of fun for me but everytime the gameplay just boils down to a trudging spam fest of the same shit with not a lot of nuance or strategy and you just kind of go through the paces. Such a shame it never got further refined, and if it did I never found it, but I guess I never looked
(DIR) Post #Ar9tOcfxiIAh2U6io4 by Rudolf_von_Goldenbaum@poa.st
2025-02-15T23:57:15.666199Z
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@merchantHelios I like the weapon wear mechanic in Three Houses because it pressures you into being careful about spamming your best weapons and supermoves depending on the mission or the opponent.
(DIR) Post #Ar9tP7JLoPVK3KlbMm by William_The_Dragonborn@poa.st
2025-02-15T23:57:20.427747Z
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@ChristiJunior @deprecated_ii @merchantHelios I will admit that the Pokemon system has worked for so long due to the abilities, type effectiveness and so on. The best form being in gen 5 and quite often the trainers would swap out Pokemon who your’s is effective against. We years for the days of kino and await its redemption one way or another.
(DIR) Post #Ar9tXLutOQZDfSFmgi by ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com
2025-02-15T23:58:47.860533Z
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@William_The_Dragonborn @deprecated_ii @merchantHelios The core Pokemon formula is brilliant, but Sword/Shield almost managed to ruin it completely by braindead easy battles AND Forced EXP Share.
(DIR) Post #Ar9tc0ymfGOmBDITNQ by TheMadPirate@detroitriotcity.com
2025-02-15T23:59:38.514554Z
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@merchantHelios If it isn't broken, don't fix it. Or you would end with people complaining about the combat system of FFVII: Rebirth .
(DIR) Post #Ar9tz1Q3CBVuCj1Nr6 by William_The_Dragonborn@poa.st
2025-02-16T00:03:50.353673Z
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@ChristiJunior @deprecated_ii @merchantHelios Indeed, it is up to the fans to infiltrate and change it
(DIR) Post #Ar9uEO1BSIsWdZiTuC by SpurgAnon@varishangout.net
2025-02-16T00:06:27.782070Z
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@William_The_Dragonborn @ChristiJunior @deprecated_ii @merchantHelios >gen 5 >the only gen that broke proper bad guy tradition and form>you're fighting a fucking wizard rather than a corporate lunatic Eh... I mean...
(DIR) Post #Ar9uQNG66ZHlkzPNo0 by SpurgAnon@varishangout.net
2025-02-16T00:08:43.994532Z
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@William_The_Dragonborn @deprecated_ii @merchantHeliosDefinitely xenoblade... :sob_drawn:
(DIR) Post #Ar9uZKImT2CfC1vrXc by SpurgAnon@varishangout.net
2025-02-16T00:10:21.398198Z
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@ChristiJunior @William_The_Dragonborn @deprecated_ii @merchantHelios best reformat of the pokemon formula was in PLA. Hopefully ZLamda does something just as great
(DIR) Post #Ar9vMNWPHj0nMuhBTc by RaHoWaJoe@poa.st
2025-02-16T00:19:13.664505Z
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@merchantHelios Fear and Hunger
(DIR) Post #ArCOfOgQTaJHSaisT2 by deVoid@mugicha.club
2025-02-17T04:57:03.895612Z
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ooooor you could make it a trpg instead and instantly its way more fun
(DIR) Post #ArCOmNZezxBA2zt5XM by Witch_Hunter_Siegfired@poa.st
2025-02-17T04:58:19.849633Z
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@deVoid @ArdainianRight @DrRyanSkelton @merchantHelios Running my first campaign with some guys on here of one (Heaven's Feel's Fate system), should be fun.
(DIR) Post #ArCPSGarLIEKYlQDSa by DrRyanSkelton@mugicha.club
2025-02-17T05:05:53.473145Z
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Fire Emblem niggas and their rock paper scissors combat are right to look down on JRPG niggas but don't get cocky
(DIR) Post #ArCPacKoORBEIztiMa by lonestarr@mugicha.club
2025-02-17T05:07:24.544198Z
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The JR in JRPG stands for "junior" btw
(DIR) Post #ArCPq5WKADD5APewwy by nozaki@mugicha.club
2025-02-17T05:10:12.111681Z
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The white man will never understand the joys of grinding and satisfaction that comes with character progression.
(DIR) Post #ArDBIwkqWsaCDwiNSy by merchantHelios@poa.st
2025-02-17T14:02:03.349442Z
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@nozaki I beg to differ! The White man (me) just won't put up with shitty not-combat. There's plenty of games with grinding and satisfactory progression that ALSO have good combat
(DIR) Post #ArDBN816bATwJNJWGe by merchantHelios@poa.st
2025-02-17T14:02:48.763311Z
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@nozaki I could understand if you wanted to say the depth of JRPG stories was lacking in other genres. That may well be true, I don't know
(DIR) Post #ArDDLVPYqb6gCI6gE4 by Ace66062@shortstacksran.ch
2025-02-17T14:24:55.428648Z
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@merchantHelios Chrono Trigger, Golden Sun, Breath of Fire maybe, SMT, hell even DQ games to some degree with the exception of bosses (11's Timewyrm is absolutely not a spam your best attack boss fight)