Post Ar3CqpO8a2Yvb5DHkG by phnt@fluffytail.org
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(DIR) Post #Ar3CUywKO5nIqjmxPs by malwarejake@infosec.exchange
2025-02-12T16:01:00Z
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If you're a leader in tech, take this to your stakeholders and explain the implications. Many of the AI-enabled apps your users are integrating into their workflows (or outright relying on) could literally cease to exist with a single court ruling.https://www.wired.com/story/thomson-reuters-ai-copyright-lawsuit/
(DIR) Post #Ar3CUzzuSGFm88TKdc by feld@friedcheese.us
2025-02-12T18:27:42.399725Z
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@malwarejake I don't think so, it will just change who owns the tools. You can't put this genie back into the bottle. If they do go after e.g., all the generative image projects who will win in the end?Whoever owns the most data/media for training. So it will be stock image companies. They will then leverage their own datasets and sell their own generative AI software.
(DIR) Post #Ar3CV11id1ILK2KI64 by lain@lain.com
2025-02-12T18:28:17.418851Z
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@feld @malwarejake this is the fear part of fud
(DIR) Post #Ar3Ccqd3AgKpOGWS7U by sun@shitposter.world
2025-02-12T18:29:44.247294Z
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@feld @malwarejake literally all memes based on copyright materials are infringement, when the world wide web started, companies tried to sue websites for funny pictures until the flood was overwhelming and now people would consider you a moron if you wanted to sue over it
(DIR) Post #Ar3CqpO8a2Yvb5DHkG by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-02-12T18:32:15.286330Z
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@sun @feld @malwarejake Remember EU Article 13 from 6 years ago?
(DIR) Post #Ar3CslsQbg5tHmJAcS by sun@shitposter.world
2025-02-12T18:32:36.862731Z
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@phnt @feld @malwarejake periodically they try again but it's a lost cause
(DIR) Post #Ar3DQ4BxX66re3JucK by tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com
2025-02-12T18:38:26.423967Z
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@sun @feld @malwarejake Kind of like when the Fine Brothers tried to copyright reaction videos. :blobfoxgooglymlem:
(DIR) Post #Ar3DXrxUtq7s1MHCGu by feld@friedcheese.us
2025-02-12T18:34:36.508492Z
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@sun @malwarejake
(DIR) Post #Ar3MAGGtki6E40AWO0 by maybenot@mstdn.social
2025-02-12T19:29:11Z
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@lain @feld @malwarejake any effort to limit/slow-down the deployment of these systems is commendable.the genie cannot be put back in the bottle, but the lamp-holding oligarchs can be forced to ration their wishes. and not only does this disrupt the entrench-fast-become-irremovable shock doctrine ploy, it also means a bunch of ppl not laid of /yet/ can still pay rentthe whole "harm reduction is pointless, i only deal in Axiom and Absolutes" really needs to be put on ice.
(DIR) Post #Ar3MAH5aiEeIbDt0Ou by feld@friedcheese.us
2025-02-12T19:35:25.491902Z
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@maybenot @lain @malwarejake you mistake me for someone who thinks that the tech industry isn't oversaturated and we don't need a massive economic crash which will also wipe out banks who made bad bets on real estate, residential and commercialthere are far too many people out there like "I want my job saved, I love my job"what do you do?"I work in this R&D department for megacorp building out this widget"is your work making a profit for the company? for anyone? is there a sign that the finish line is anywhere near?"no"You're expendable then. You should have never been hired. Your job should not exist. The tech industry has swindled you. They have taken their immense access to capital and moved your office to the basement like Milton on Office Space. In this case they didn't know what to do with you but they were damn certain they didn't want any other company to have you either.The only way out is *through*. There will be a lot of pain. But we can't put a bandaid on this and keep going on with our lives.edit: I worked for a MegaCorp a few years and got to experience first hand people literally not working on our projects or triaging support tickets but playing videogames at their desks in plain view of everyone (gotta bring in that Street Fighter arcade stick and practice!) and the company was too afraid to fire the person because hiring is expensive and you should never willingly lose "talent"
(DIR) Post #Ar3MAHjIKcPMaMSiHo by maybenot@mstdn.social
2025-02-12T20:11:58Z
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@feld @malwarejake @lain yes, i do think working on a pointless widget and getting paid is better than being laid off and having the widget be made even shittier by genai, while one starves.there's now a surplus of tech workers (and "creatives" too), all the investment is tied up in bullshit, and the shitty widget may well be the least-bad option available for many.
(DIR) Post #Ar3MAIa7AEevEBAtcG by feld@friedcheese.us
2025-02-12T20:15:04.502846Z
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@maybenot @malwarejake @lain > there's now a surplus of tech workers (and "creatives" too), all the investment is tied up in bullshitbut why is it when it's coal miners we're like "we can retrain them, they can become programmers or learn how to work on solar" but when it's tech people we're like "whoa there, they need those jobs. what are we gonna do, train them to be plumbers and electricians? they LOVE what they do and it makes them happy"Yeah a lot of people running machines at the coal mines were happy and felt like they had a sense of purpose too. They don't want to change careers.
(DIR) Post #Ar3MAJXJc80wBmsAtM by lain@lain.com
2025-02-12T20:16:36.780185Z
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@feld @malwarejake @maybenot learn2cook
(DIR) Post #Ar3MAOm28pl4QsnV1k by maybenot@mstdn.social
2025-02-12T20:12:08Z
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@feld @malwarejake @lain anyway, the important part where we disagree (i think) is whether the current push to entrench these technologies (with the explicit goal of owners/funders/providers riding out the crash) is gonna make the whole thing worse for everyone except the c-suites and a-round investors
(DIR) Post #Ar3OorcMWFtvNlhG9Q by feld@friedcheese.us
2025-02-12T20:24:16.538355Z
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@maybenot @malwarejake @lain I think in the long run these tools will complement and not replace. Much like how photo editing tools didn't completely displace people from the creative process. Hollywood already went through a lot of this same stuff once already. We all noticed how bad and obvious CGI can be (90s and early 00s were BAD because it was forced upon every movie) and also how poorly those movies age. Practical effects are coming back in vogue because they just look better. "Agatha All Along" was lauded for this.We're going through another phase. People are experimenting and trying to figure out what works. AI acting performances are not going to capture the hearts and minds of audiences. AI girlfriends are just going to be porn 2.0.People just don't like change but we need to figure out how to adapt.
(DIR) Post #Ar3OosPzXjbFrgutVY by feld@friedcheese.us
2025-02-12T20:26:24.229604Z
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@maybenot @lain @malwarejake just look at this -- green screens suck, CGI can't do this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQuIVsNzqDk
(DIR) Post #Ar3Oot6WzZcxzcoroW by maybenot@mstdn.social
2025-02-12T20:40:20Z
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@feld @malwarejake @lain oh i love this video,all this is true. and you would be right in these conclusions were it not for the dreaded political aspect of this.the "shitty 90s era cgi" is being forcibly baked into everything now, with the intent to then have it mandated by laws that practical effects are illegal. and if you want to have *any effects at all* you have to pay one of the 3 vendors.also, then there's the small sidenote that these things have more malicious uses than 90s cgi
(DIR) Post #Ar3OotuA13KITY2VAe by feld@friedcheese.us
2025-02-12T20:44:43.895800Z
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@maybenot > with the intent to then have it mandated by laws that practical effects are illegalwhere are you getting this from?
(DIR) Post #Ar3OouTxrvxyGan5yi by sun@shitposter.world
2025-02-12T20:46:19.309079Z
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@feld @maybenot there was a big shift to cgi because of insurance rate hikes and laws for having a gun on set