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(DIR) Post #AqveCmAMcafZhrhkUi by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-09T03:01:01Z
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Just thinking about how the suggestion that egg producers switch to paper cartons was "unthinkable" because it would raise prices by about ten cents. This was a conversation about recycling about 10 years back. (I'm still mad about the egg cartons thing LOL)But, those who were lobbying for the environment were called every ugly name: elitist! out of touch! cruel! because styrofoam was "cheaper" and manufactures didn't want to change. But now the prices just double and go nuts. No one cares.
(DIR) Post #AqvePUf70pTtBQ9Qp6 by aadmaa@mathstodon.xyz
2025-02-09T03:03:15Z
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@futurebird It's like how McDonald's jacked up prices by 10% for a couple years in a row, then freaked out claiming it would destroy consumers when fast food workers got a raise in California. (which turned out to cost 15 cents on a $4 burger)
(DIR) Post #AqveRsHq9Cnx26Ow64 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-09T03:03:46Z
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And the thing is I almost started to believe it. Was I a stuck of elitist because I was upset that the styrofoam would sit in landfills for hundreds of years? What about the poor grandmothers who couldn't afford ten cents more for eggs. The lesson is that those people never cared a pin about any of the grandmothers or the price. They realized they'd make less money in the wash and didn't want to do it. We can all enjoy the microplastics in our water instead. Cheers!
(DIR) Post #AqveWtTz82JIBpTWhk by kzurawel@mastodon.gamedev.place
2025-02-09T03:04:37Z
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@futurebird especially weird given that around here (MN), they tell us the paper cartons are not recyclable! Something about added coatings that make them waterproof. *Plastic* egg cartons are recyclable, cardboard no.
(DIR) Post #AqveaPDXb0gjTxSTL6 by EverydayMoggie@sfba.social
2025-02-09T03:05:15Z
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Most of the eggs where I live still come in paper cartons. I guess that's a regional thing?@futurebird
(DIR) Post #Aqvebc758R5Lle0sBU by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-09T03:05:25Z
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@marion_grau Yeah. Funny isn't it?
(DIR) Post #Aqvedf78wrazec1DPc by jd_d@hostux.social
2025-02-09T03:05:49Z
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@futurebird cheers
(DIR) Post #Aqvet1ejQA7nuT3Tw8 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-09T03:08:36Z
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@jackie Well this is why their little guilt trip almost worked on me. I need paper cartons because you can use them as little homes for insects. (I do test them to see that they aren't treated, and thus far have been lucky. )I like that it's something I can recycle myself. Or compost at worst. It's enough to make me avoid the styrofoam and pay a little more.
(DIR) Post #AqvfEx7QyDZuD1w5qq by snork303@toot.community
2025-02-09T03:12:35Z
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@futurebirdOne thing I know as a person who has handled many thousand cases of eggs, paper/cardboard cartons protect the eggs better.
(DIR) Post #AqvfKYyFfJ0b3KJfqy by sollat@masto.ai
2025-02-09T03:13:36Z
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@futurebird I remember the styrofoam cartons now that you mention it, but they’ve mostly been recycled paper (pulpy looking) here for a long time.
(DIR) Post #AqvfQcmYPL42bvjdp2 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-09T03:14:43Z
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@snork303 Oh so they lied about that too!"the eggs will get rained on and fall out!"consumers want modern packaging they won't buy grubby old paper cartons" (and now paper is the sign of luxury eggs)"Children will be sad because their egg carton caterpillar will be less colorful!"It was absurd all of the whining and flailing and howling this caused.
(DIR) Post #Aqvffzcvkmcdo3YudE by ajsadauskas@social.vivaldi.net
2025-02-09T03:17:26Z
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@futurebird It was not about eggs in cartons.It was never about selling eggs in cartons.Many countries, including Australia, have always tended to sell eggs in cardboard containers rather than styrofoam, without issue.Like so many other petrochemical products, the issue was the fossil fuel industry's profits.As for who the real elites are, ExxonMobil's profits are around US$9.2 billion per quarter: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/exxon-delivers-92-billion-second-quarter-profit-raises-output-target-2024-08-02/The environmental activists criticising the fossil fuel industry overwhelmingly earn most of their income from wages, rather than from owning land or capital. Most are in the bottom 90%.It really is audacious for a corporation that delivers multi-billion-dollar profits to its intergenerationally wealthy capital-owning shareholders every quarter to fund lobbying who claim workers are supposedly the "elites".Big oil gets away with it because class consciousness is at an all-time low.I think it's time to start changing that.
(DIR) Post #AqvfoIKe5n048Ty58C by GeoWend@kosmos.social
2025-02-09T03:18:58Z
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@futurebird eggs here all are in cardboard egg sheets. (I am serious...they are big trays of them, cut to different sizes, and wrapped in plastic-wrap.)
(DIR) Post #Aqvfv0rfQyatzMcKMC by snork303@toot.community
2025-02-09T03:20:10Z
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@futurebirdIf anyone said that, indeed they were lying.
(DIR) Post #AqvgJ2KtcBiDVCkC8m by mhstoixeiwmenopip@kafeneio.social
2025-02-09T03:24:18Z
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@futurebird @snork303
(DIR) Post #AqvggVcEv57YyL35g8 by snork303@toot.community
2025-02-09T03:27:13Z
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@homelessjunYes. Where I live the plasic/styrofoam ones are also generally the more expensive ones too. They have a reputation for being all hoity-toity. @futurebird
(DIR) Post #AqvggWk4jQz0SvirWy by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-09T03:28:46Z
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@snork303 @homelessjun That is so odd. I think of them as "budget eggs" like if I had to get them it was a really rough month.
(DIR) Post #AqvhDnxXjuYRQ6tFRI by 3TomatoesShort@disabled.social
2025-02-09T03:34:45Z
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@futurebirdThis whole discussion has me going 🤯(I'm 41 years old, in Australia, and have no memory of any kind of egg cartons except for cardboard ones)@snork303 @homelessjun
(DIR) Post #AqvhJTxN1RZJ7VW52W by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-09T03:35:42Z
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@3TomatoesShort @snork303 @homelessjun I remember when this started in the 80s. Even as a kid I was like "this is worse? why did they do this?"
(DIR) Post #AqvhMM0141RvJG7hsO by dartigen@aus.social
2025-02-09T03:36:19Z
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@futurebird It's the same with the plastic bag 'ban' here (department stores still hand them out, and most reusable bags are plastic anyway so...). The argument was that paper bags weren't strong enough, they're not good in wet conditions, they're 'ugly'......while every time I bought clothes at Uniqlo, they only had paper bags. Hell, when I went shopping for fabric? Paper bags - well, more like light cardboard really - that could hold several kilograms without tearing. Any kind of boutique clothing or art supply store? Paper bags were always a sign of the store selling a higher quality of goods. And they all had branding on them, some of them even came in different colours... Those places didn't find it difficult. Supermarkets eventually caved, but they only do the thin paper bags, which is very annoying, and charge $0.10 for them when they're likely paying maybe $0.01 per bag at the volumes they'd be ordering. And I feel like they doubled down on putting other stuff (like produce) in plastic packaging, which doesn't really help any. I feel like they intentionally half-assed, in the hopes that consumers would demand a return to plastic bags, so they could then say 'well people just want plastic bags!' and so they wouldn't have to spend slightly more on paper bags.
(DIR) Post #Aqvhmii9FDe3HJL1WK by nondailychickens@toot.io
2025-02-09T03:40:57Z
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@futurebird Hetevin Australia I have never seen eggs sold in anything but cardboard.
(DIR) Post #AqvhrywyINCp5gmSsy by snork303@toot.community
2025-02-09T03:41:37Z
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@futurebirdI had to go back and find some of my work. Nobody could do it like me.Feast your eyes.
(DIR) Post #Aqvhv3xG91vPTtNtLs by DarcMoughty@infosec.exchange
2025-02-09T03:42:33Z
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@futurebird @snork303 @homelessjun my impression (and maybe this is localized or regional) is thatStyrofoam = cheapest, low quality Paper pulp = regular decent eggsClear plastic = fancy eggsPaper pulp with an external glossy wrap = fancy eggs
(DIR) Post #Aqvhvck0oH7nMwSJ3w by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-09T03:42:36Z
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@snork303 that's gotta be like 20 million dollars in eggs. shouldn't you have a guard or something??(Also very impressive. )
(DIR) Post #AqviWBxBMtfh0H3KpU by chris_hayes@fosstodon.org
2025-02-09T03:49:19Z
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@futurebird I was randomly on the dunkin donuts wiki page like yesterday and your post reminded me of one thing that stuck out to me from that wiki page, dunkin used to use to have foam cups.In 2018, they started phasing them out. I totally forget it was normal to get your coffee in a foam cup. And as someone who picks up trash on my walks—I can see first hand how much less styrofoam is going into the environment.
(DIR) Post #AqvkCWoKJPM1o7f6eG by ShiitakeToast@beige.party
2025-02-09T04:08:08Z
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@futurebird @snork303 Nobody in 2026 will ever believe this picture is real.
(DIR) Post #AqvkMcdfUwmqmLUQwi by 3TomatoesShort@disabled.social
2025-02-09T04:10:00Z
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@futurebirdWait it went from cardboard TO plastic?? 🤯@snork303 @homelessjun
(DIR) Post #AqvlFBjfE2hbGbJUTA by KaKetelmug@mstdn.social
2025-02-09T04:19:51Z
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@futurebird uhh.. only eggs over here that are in plastic (and very thin transparent plastic too) are the pre-boiled, pre-dyed easter eggs. Normal eggs have been in carton as long as I can remember (or, as a kid, when we bought them directly from our farmer-neighbour, we brought our own multi-use hard plastic boxes)
(DIR) Post #AqvymH9HQ3Lh12P1V2 by rejzor@mastodon.social
2025-02-09T06:51:29Z
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@futurebird Wait, USA doesn't use cartons for eggs? Here in Europe we've used them for so long I don't even rememeber if we had styrofoam ones before. It has to be at least 25 years now.
(DIR) Post #Aqw0S5VTC7G11cHccy by acaussar@pouet.chapril.org
2025-02-09T07:10:07Z
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@futurebird I don't know if there is a word for when you pretend caring for some disadvantaged people only when it goes with your interests... 🤔
(DIR) Post #Aqw7Uv1TKS6J3eY64W by disisdeguey@mastodon.social
2025-02-09T08:29:12Z
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@futurebird @snork303 Never buy any eggs in plastic containers. Only cardboard. Whatever they say.
(DIR) Post #AqwEVLXFDaBKjJdcps by IngaLovinde@embracing.space
2025-02-09T09:47:39Z
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@futurebird why would it raise the prices? The cheapest sale or transport format for eggs in Russia used to be in stackable carton crates of 30 (without any lids or anything, upper crate would serve as a lid for the lower crate), styrofoam when it first appeared in 90s or early 2000s was considered to be fancy and I think went out of use since then.
(DIR) Post #AqwHuQuoeS6SWCJk0W by OvertonDoors@infosec.exchange
2025-02-09T10:25:53Z
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@futurebird A parallel argument should be advanced as well:If the O&G lobby had media outlets by the nuts this badly ten years ago, why is everyone suddenly surprised by the #ringkissers public displays of supplication on inauguration day? The trend line is ramrod straight. All of this happening now is the direct consequence of shipping multiple pallets of US currency into the hands of petro-dictatorships. Every single day. For decades.We've given the keys to our own house to autokrats. Why are we surprised to find their feet on our couch?
(DIR) Post #AqwL8Eo4lfRcseRHO4 by webshinra@pouet.chapril.org
2025-02-09T11:01:44Z
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@futurebird Interesting, I never saw eggs to be sold in anything else than paper cartons. Strange how impossible is very variable from one country to the next.
(DIR) Post #AqwNiCsFd9t1DgferI by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-09T11:30:50Z
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@vikxin My ants eat mealworms, but I don't know if I'd want them to eat worms raised on styrofoam?Because humans can eat styrofoam too. It mostly passes harmless through us. Just because meal worms will chew it that doesn't mean they break it down significantly. (that they can get some nutrition suggest something is broken down)Perhaps if the meal worms were then composted themselves, and fungi went to work the microplastics could be reduced?UV light will also destroy many plastics.
(DIR) Post #AqwOKCL44LEaZ1GQE4 by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
2025-02-09T11:37:44Z
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@futurebird Here in Europe, I can't remember ever seeing eggs packaged in anything but paper. America is such a weird place.
(DIR) Post #AqwOeplBDB5EcOJq08 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-09T11:41:27Z
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@vikxin My ants are spoiled rotten. They are fed dubias raised on organic carrots, fresh greens, peppitas and bee pollen. I'm paranoid about any pesticides getting into their food chain-- and the dubias are hardier than most ants, they eat... egg cartons as a side snack (it's their housing, but they munch on it because they are hungry little bugs)I try to give them a happy life.I do however say "time to feed the food!" when I feed them, which is on reflection a bit grim.
(DIR) Post #AqwP4BgapPT9rOGN6G by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-09T11:46:06Z
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@vikxin Fat glossy black spoiled rotten carpenter ants.
(DIR) Post #AqwPED2Mews6wkE1ke by Em@lsbt.me
2025-02-09T11:47:51Z
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@futurebird @vikxin carpenter ants doing carp stuffCarpcarpcarp
(DIR) Post #AqwPOlUJQXp4goKa6y by Brynawel@mastodon.social
2025-02-09T11:49:44Z
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@futurebird @vikxin This sentence needs to be saved for posterity! Even without context, this sentence is magnificent. 🙂
(DIR) Post #AqwPS6zJwkceEvQlgO by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-09T11:50:20Z
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@vikxin @Tallish_Tom Birds will eat them freeze dried, or frozen. You don't need to put them out alive. Although I think they wouldn't stand a good chance of surviving, but lets not find out.
(DIR) Post #AqwPsOcf0L0uSfMgfA by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-09T11:55:04Z
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@vikxin @kechpaja I don't know if I'd like this Mister Antnommer very much.
(DIR) Post #AqwQUxD8r0I8juoZLE by Tallish_Tom@fosstodon.org
2025-02-09T12:02:06Z
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@futurebird @vikxin Dried is problematic during nesting season as the chicks get a lot of fluid from insects. Not sure of my facts here so more research etc... but I think may be better to not put dried ones out then.
(DIR) Post #AqwQgJ4HvhVviK5RHU by glasspusher@beige.party
2025-02-09T12:04:10Z
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@futurebird @vikxin UV can break carbon carbon bonds, but it’ll take a long time to destroy plastic. More like slowly degrade it. Fun fact that you might know: there are insects that eat the wax from bee honeycombs. The bacteria in their gut have been shown to be able to metsbolize polyethylene. Next step is for us to stop making so much plastic
(DIR) Post #AqwQmay4IAGmxyAyjQ by glasspusher@beige.party
2025-02-09T12:05:18Z
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@futurebird @vikxin Spoiled Rotten Carpenter Ants would be a great band name
(DIR) Post #AqwR1rtBf43Xn4Ax6G by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-09T12:08:05Z
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@vikxin I have a lot of guilt about the dubias since I only keep them to feed to the ants, but in doing so I've discovered they are innocent simple creatures. Did you know that roaches like fresh vegetables better than rotten ones? If given the choice they choose the fresh. They try to hide under each other when I come to collect one with the tweezers, which isn't very effective, but it's also very cute and sad. But the ants require protein so some of you must die.
(DIR) Post #AqwR59QstKd74MVEJ6 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-09T12:08:41Z
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@vikxin My husband doesn't like it when I say "the ants require protein so some of you must die" wonder what THAT's about.
(DIR) Post #AqwRlka5AIDuRg7Mo4 by adriano@lile.cl
2025-02-09T12:16:20Z
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@futurebird @vikxin hmm. Probably a fan of carbs.
(DIR) Post #AqwRunhwuOqukX74SG by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-09T12:18:01Z
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@adriano @vikxin If you give dubias a little bit of spaghetti they eat it from different ends until they meet then they get a little scared by each other and try hiding under each other again. Hopeless creatures.
(DIR) Post #AqwRyAZgLbQKXPqv5M by adriano@lile.cl
2025-02-09T12:18:36Z
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@futurebird @vikxin so romantic!
(DIR) Post #AqwSuPnLuqx4XV1KE4 by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-02-09T12:29:07Z
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@futurebird @vikxin
(DIR) Post #AqwTWCzlxA3XqVqpNI by faassen@fosstodon.org
2025-02-09T12:35:57Z
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@futurebirdHm, egg cartons are the norm in the Netherlands.
(DIR) Post #AqwTgy2ftBhIefL408 by jamiemccarthy@mastodon.social
2025-02-09T12:37:54Z
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@futurebird @snork303 I still remember the summer of 1993 when conservatives yelled and screamed that Bill Clinton’s 4.3-cent gasoline tax was going to bankrupt the poor honest hard-working long-haul trucker, and shut down the country because no one could afford to ship any goods.Reader, the gas price when the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 was signed was $1.10.
(DIR) Post #AqwTyWz7E6unwz3692 by llewelly@sauropods.win
2025-02-09T12:41:06Z
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@futurebird @vikxin millipedes are like that too. (Dunno if millipedes would make good ant food; many millipedes are toxic.)
(DIR) Post #AqwU4lKOoNIKAlyXuS by geo@social.collectivemoo.net
2025-02-09T12:41:52Z
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@futurebird @vikxin I keep my worms on a vegetarian diet. But the thirst is there. I can feel it. #vermicompost
(DIR) Post #AqwWmayYrUtCiRn2aO by llewelly@sauropods.win
2025-02-09T13:11:00Z
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@vikxin @futurebird I think for both the meal worms and the super worms, they rely on some gut microbes to digest the polystyrene, and it's not necessarily easy to ensure your meal worms or super worms have the appropriate microbes. (In both cases I think it was isotope-labeled polystyrene feed experiments that showed atoms from the polystyrene were incorporated into the flesh of the meal worms and super worms.)
(DIR) Post #AqwX38ryc5FmT8bGlc by papakipos@mastodon.social
2025-02-09T13:15:31Z
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@futurebird @adriano @vikxin love the dubia lady & the tramp scenario
(DIR) Post #Aqwh4i4WDUITThqw5o by GeoWend@kosmos.social
2025-02-09T15:07:52Z
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@futurebird still better than when my first wife would name the mice for the serpents, because that increased their nutrition value.
(DIR) Post #Aqwh7PTnnYkYgTxzBg by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-02-09T15:08:22Z
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@GeoWend Oh that is GRIM.
(DIR) Post #AqwhSwdBjmUXaBcpf6 by GeoWend@kosmos.social
2025-02-09T15:12:14Z
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@futurebird Helen was a wonderful person…who people thought was less weird than I….until they FOUND OUT.
(DIR) Post #Aqwl2Q6MSTXyyvsVyS by Huntn00@mastodon.world
2025-02-09T15:52:15Z
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@futurebird No worries, that’s why Mr. Trump was elected. 🙄 The MAGOTs regard him as a success. “He didn’t lower the cost of eggs, but he knifed democracy in the back and killed DEI/Wokeness just for me! Two out of three ain’t bad.” 🔥 🤔
(DIR) Post #AqwphfY4KcBYZxlMO0 by ceartas@mastodon.world
2025-02-09T16:44:29Z
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@futurebird Santa Clarita, CA. A dozen eggs costs $7.49 at Vons. There’s a Trader Joe’s near the next exit off Highway 14, selling them for $3.49 a dozen, but there’s a limit of one dozen per customer. Now, Crazy-Go-Nuts enters the picture. I habitually ask workers if they are being treated well. When they complain, I take the opportunity to promote unionism. But often the real monsters are the customers. So I asked. “Ugh, it’s been a week! And all about eggs!”, the woman at TJs told me.