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(DIR) Post #AqbbrMbh9rXCf0ZY4u by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-01-30T11:00:26Z
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Tumblr's interface and commenting structure makes no sense. You can: comment on a post. reblog it and add something to it. This creates a new copy of the post on your blog ... so if the original author makes edits they do not show up. add hash tags, which users use for comments too for some reasonlike a post (this does nothing)It really is a nonsensical mess, but people have adapted to it and love it. There is a lesson here. Online communities are made of people. People will adapt.
(DIR) Post #AqbcA9ZrpFILkhg2TI by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-01-30T11:03:54Z
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If you try to tell people on tumblr it makes no sense they will get mad at you defending their "system." But really what matters is that the people they know and like are there, and they have figured out how to interact with those people. That more logical systems exist doesn't matter. That systems that aren't "corporate walled gardens" doesn't matter. It's the people. And the people are why I keep going back from time to time. The people are ALSO why I'm mostly happy here.
(DIR) Post #AqbcQ3eDdkdjzjIR96 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-01-30T11:06:46Z
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When I talk with people about how they started using their favorite social media it's often a story like "everyone in my fan fiction writing group was moving there" or "everyone at my church started posting there" people adopt social media in social groups. This sounds obvious but I think we sometimes treat it like it's an individual decision. To take a more extreme and less heart-warming example: what happens when you try to use different software from everyone at your workplace?
(DIR) Post #AqbciEj9BZE3ZNGmnI by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-01-30T11:10:03Z
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Are there any simple video or image heavy tutorials that are aimed at organizations "How to set up a fediverse server for your non-profit." I'm talking something that goes through DNS registration, picking a hosting company, the whole deal?I've been finding a lot of good fediverse how two videos for individual users, but have not found something aimed at this particular need.
(DIR) Post #AqbcncKYr814DqKrqK by albertcardona@mathstodon.xyz
2025-01-30T11:10:57Z
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@futurebird It's also the place of, er, remarkable statements about humans from the perspective of an ant:https://www.tumblr.com/futurebird/754025904282419200/are-humans-self-aware-ants-have-often-tested
(DIR) Post #Aqbd5nYhqfyUG4cZrE by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-01-30T11:14:19Z
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@albertcardona I post about 1/5 of what I do here over there. But, here it's more like a conversation. People respond and I can respond back. On tumblr even when a post is very popular I never feel like I'm having a conversation. It's that back and forth that makes me most happy, people asking questions, answering them.And I love a good argument where everyone is acting in good faith and you either find out you are wrong & learn something, or get to be right & someone else learns something.
(DIR) Post #AqbdFbWbRfYTpcJTzU by albertcardona@mathstodon.xyz
2025-01-30T11:16:02Z
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@futurebird Tumblr indeed has the feel of a blog, whereas here it's more like a chat.
(DIR) Post #AqbdGtGkxQPj9dVxOi by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-01-30T11:16:15Z
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@albertcardona Good faith arguments are precious rare lovely things. They are so fragile and worth all the effort of trying to check in that everyone feels like they are being taken seriously and listened to.It's dangerous to be a person who enjoys such discussions as there are a lot of bad faith actors and if you have a reputation of being "responsive" you can attract the worst kind of trolls.
(DIR) Post #AqbdPpAtYAu13t26Ay by lash@social.coop
2025-01-30T11:17:47Z
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@futurebird Absolutely. However, within such social groups, if influential individuals or organizations migrate to a new platform and convincingly justify their decision, there is a high likelihood of others following suit. This dynamic hinges also on factors like who initiates the move, when, why, and similar considerations. Additionally, there are instances where individuals break away from their existing social circles entirely, exploring entirely new spaces to start afresh.
(DIR) Post #AqbdZpxvSsW2PUk0g4 by matera@mastodon.sdf.org
2025-01-30T11:19:25Z
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@futurebird In most cases, I think my adoption of social media has been more like finding a medium that has a social group I can fit into. I've always been a lone solf type feral human. The exception - my laps into normality, if you sill - was following online friends into Farcebork.
(DIR) Post #AqbdfQwVPcYqXZkH8i by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-01-30T11:20:44Z
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@miguelpergamon I've had pinterest totally block for years. They make it SO HARD to find the original source of anything that you see there and are deeply intent on trapping you on their platform looking at other people's images without even know who made them or where they came from.Even if you are looking to go shopping piterest is awful. See something you want to buy? Good luck. Given the commercial bent of the internet this is shocking to me.I am trying to hand you money and it's HARD.
(DIR) Post #Aqbe0n0sY8kz4XySm0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-01-30T11:24:36Z
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@krozruch When I found out people could edit comments on here I thought it'd be a big problem. I thought so many bad things would happen. In practice? Nothing bad happens. People correct spelling errors, people clarify incorrect information. It's good.I assumed that there would be many cases where people would point to the edit history to expose bad actions. This also seems to never happen. ANTS WILL RULE THE WORLD YOU CANNOT STOP THEM.
(DIR) Post #AqbeWcxbSf3LA1cijA by peoplelikedogs@438punk.house
2025-01-30T11:30:19Z
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@futurebird maybe this? Complete beginner guide to setting up a mastodon/hometown server geared toward pre-existing IRL groups. Very hand-hold-y in the tech stuff and has pictures. By @n00q https://n00q.net/articles/guide-mastodon-hometown/
(DIR) Post #AqbeZ1eccZP2KItAKO by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-01-30T11:30:49Z
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@krozruch I wonder if this would still be the case if posts here didn't have edit histories?(to see edit history for a post click on "Last Edited" and it will list all of the versions so you can look through them for anything sneaky... but really all you will ever find are spelling and wording corrections.)ANTS OWN EVERYTHING. THE WORLD BELONGS TO ANTS. ABANDON ALL HUMAN AMBITIONS AND SERVE THE COLONY.
(DIR) Post #AqbeoAS0CMFHx5CqWW by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-01-30T11:33:32Z
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@krozruch OMG. Edited posts with history are the *perfect* training data for the improved spell checker I'm working on! (mostly just an assignment I gave myself to learn more about LLMs) Consider a LLM that is trained on the way that *you* like to edit and correct your own writing. I'm getting chills, that might actually be useful and save me some time. If only there were also an easy way to deploy it in all of the places that I type...
(DIR) Post #AqbeqnEUyhIOoP8rbc by mattmcirvin@mathstodon.xyz
2025-01-30T11:33:35Z
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@futurebird Likes that do nothing other than indicate that they happened are actually a feature I approve of.I never fully adapted to Facebook and Twitter and even eventually Google+ doing mysterious unaccountable things in response to likes.But most other people did, which actually is an example of your point.
(DIR) Post #Aqbet8xt9KlAnAUezA by mattmcirvin@mathstodon.xyz
2025-01-30T11:34:25Z
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@futurebird @miguelpergamon Oh god yes. For me pinterest is "the site that won't let you actually look at the thing".
(DIR) Post #Aqbfj059Q9rkIhcM9w by stevenaleach@sigmoid.social
2025-01-30T11:43:45Z
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@futurebird @krozruch Wow.. that could be pretty awesome.I'm wondering how hard it would be to replicate this: https://paperswithcode.com/paper/some-like-it-hoax-automated-fake-news by crawling and mapping boosts on the #fediverse Would require a ground-truth dataset for real/fake stories shared online since Mastodon reached large enough of a size though.
(DIR) Post #Aqbg66TnniSCnqAGOW by stevenaleach@sigmoid.social
2025-01-30T11:47:55Z
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@futurebird @krozruch And your model could predict the likelihood of your editing a post after submitting it or not - so the pop-up only suggests changes when it seems like a post you're gonna re-think and change it can tell you that.
(DIR) Post #AqbgBa1tMY9Ntjim5w by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-01-30T11:48:56Z
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@stevenaleach @krozruch This is the kind of help that I'd want from the computer. Targeted, personalized, drudgery reducing.
(DIR) Post #AqbgLoMMwDF3EqB528 by mattmcirvin@mathstodon.xyz
2025-01-30T11:50:46Z
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@futurebird @albertcardona Long ago when I was trying to moderate a Usenet science group, I was too eager to assume good faith (and the group's norms encouraged it) because it's hard to hold a scientific discussion otherwise. But there were people who would just exploit that to torpedo everything, and it got worse as time went on.The worst of it weren't even the cranks, they were the legit credentialed scientists who were vindictive flamers and talented at slipping their personal attacks in where the moderator might not notice.
(DIR) Post #AqbgmhHjLl297BpPk0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-01-30T11:55:41Z
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@peoplelikedogs @n00q I* should probably try following this guide, as I do with lesson plans, and make notes on it and try to make a new version that doesn't give off so many dark web H4XX0r vibes. This looks very good.*or someone else, this will be some work... I'm so damn lazy... but this is what needs more attention IMO.
(DIR) Post #AqbgtB6HPUjfK5Ywhk by kate@aus.social
2025-01-30T11:56:48Z
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@futurebird @albertcardona There’s a third thing too, that others reading and thinking about this argument are also given something good. You might not know they were there but they’re also learning something.
(DIR) Post #Aqbgw3RMLXMUR0nIH2 by NearerAndFarther@techhub.social
2025-01-30T11:57:21Z
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@futurebird Did not know that you could see edit history like this! Nice feature, thanks for highlighting it.
(DIR) Post #AqbhE0glJc0X75YoIy by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-01-30T12:00:36Z
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@miguelpergamon It's not that you are old. Pinterest is just badly designed to do what it *seems* like it is doing. It tries to position itself as a way to group things by images to help you find things you are looking for. But really it's just a trap made of other people's jpegs and pngs-- pinterest wants to you to stay on pinterest looking at more vaguely related images. Not commenting, not finding out where they came from, just surfing around their images and loading their ads.
(DIR) Post #AqbhyYiJ8y3RxcTnOK by stevenaleach@sigmoid.social
2025-01-30T12:09:00Z
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@futurebird @krozruchI've been thinking about writing a #fediverse crawler - I hadn't even thought of edit data and how useful that might be.A dataset based only on public posts and profiles (obviously) and only including posts that have remained public for a reasonable time (perhaps a week) after the crawl is completed (so no regretted and deleted posts packed in) and released as open-data?Should account-names further be anonymized in such a dataset (replace all with integer IDs)?
(DIR) Post #AqbiHTvJB6QibcaF0a by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-01-30T12:12:27Z
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@stevenaleach @krozruch People get very touchy about this, which I don't really agree with. The whole point of posting is that it's public. I think your precautions are fairly reasonable. What matters is what will it be used for?I intended to only use my own edit data, at least at first. Part of what I dislike about LLMs is they don't get *me* it's all other people's patterns being imposed on me.
(DIR) Post #AqbiPsQpwKcmvzKlLU by audunmb@todon.nl
2025-01-30T12:13:55Z
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@futurebird @miguelpergamon > Not commenting, not finding out where they came from, just surfing around their images and loading their ads.This describes so much of the internet right now
(DIR) Post #Aqbirr20jwfmhQ3w1o by stevenaleach@sigmoid.social
2025-01-30T12:19:00Z
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@futurebird @krozruch I'd want to put it out as a public dataset both for CS/ML exploration but also as a resource to help document and understand the next four years (and beyond).Consider the Some Like It Hoax paper and imagine something like a weather map that lets you know about crazy stuff (like #pizzagate) before we would generally know about it - see where crazy is finding fans and know what crazy is spreading. Sort-of an automated public internet/#memescape weather report.
(DIR) Post #AqbjecT9fdbDj10nXE by stevenaleach@sigmoid.social
2025-01-30T12:27:49Z
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@futurebird @krozruch Another thing I'd love to do: train a model to predict, given two texts, whether they are written by the same or different individuals. Use to train a vector representation for "writer's voice"/philosophy, then see what happens if I take the mean vector for groups o f people who's writing and thinking I like and see what folks on the #fediverse are near in vector space to this tribe. Could be very interesting. Also 2D maps of people in vector space - who's between A,B...
(DIR) Post #Aqbk5LD9wYMg1FGv9U by asakiyume@wandering.shop
2025-01-30T12:32:31Z
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@futurebird @albertcardona One of my daughters described it as parallel play. People there parallel play more than they interact.
(DIR) Post #AqblN8lb3CKeacQm92 by mattmcirvin@mathstodon.xyz
2025-01-30T12:47:02Z
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@futurebird One of the blogs I read and sometimes comment on is on a religious site that uses Disqus and applies to in an absurd and heavy-handed censorship script that blocks all manner of forbidden words to the point that it can make it difficult to say anything unless you use a lot of circumlocution.People nevertheless comment and write around it. Some have made scripts that attempt to lexically obfuscate forbidden words to the bot or substitute euphemisms automatically.
(DIR) Post #AqblVfFIB7oXdcNwjg by paulc@mstdn.social
2025-01-30T12:48:34Z
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@futurebird @krozruch I am thankful that I can correct typos that I notice after people like or boost my posts. Or the occasional content problem when I forget to use the word "not”
(DIR) Post #AqblgnoEgBkfNo2azw by overholt@glammr.us
2025-01-30T12:50:35Z
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@futurebird I have run a Tumblr for the library for more than a decade and I still don’t really understand how to reply to a post.
(DIR) Post #Aqbmg9688wk34af5NY by GraziosiSergio@social.esmarconf.org
2025-01-30T13:01:40Z
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@futurebird I already loved your contributions to my experience here. Now I also:1. Know one reason why I did.2. Love them even more.Big thanks and back to lurk mode.
(DIR) Post #AqbnDlUIQqLfh1zoNU by llewelly@sauropods.win
2025-01-30T13:07:47Z
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@futurebird @krozruch facebook had editing of comments (no idea if it still does), with an edit history. And it was my experience that it was a frequently abused feature, and that posts pointing out abuses of the edit feature only showed up in the email notifications, and were otherwise nearly impossible to find. It honestly surprises me that editing comments is so rarely abused here.
(DIR) Post #Aqbp6yKIV1H5OQCwCm by tantramar@mastodon.social
2025-01-30T13:28:54Z
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@futurebird @krozruch Really proves Twitter management was completely full of shit all those years we were told it would unleash hell. 🤦♂️
(DIR) Post #AqbssxN3eeHwBy4U5I by robotistry@sciencemastodon.com
2025-01-30T14:11:13Z
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@futurebird Very bad things.We generated a latex template that exactly mirrored the word template for a set of documents so we could properly format the math in them.All the documents needed to go through a review process that involved getting feedback, and some of these documents could only be pdfs, so we figured that generating pdfs from tex and getting feedback on the pdfs would be fine.Wrong. Apparently requesting feedback on pdfs of latex documents was unreasonable.
(DIR) Post #AqbvSwdg3MHKFt8Jai by ColesStreetPothole@weatherishappening.network
2025-01-30T14:40:04Z
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@futurebird @krozruch Right? I was anticipating all sorts of fuckery, either from pranksters or something more hurtful. But it turns out, for whatever reason—either the distributed moderation model, or the culture of Mastodon—very little of that has materialized using the edit function.
(DIR) Post #AqbyMr28HVLszkMLGy by MedeaVanamonde@chaosfem.tw
2025-01-30T15:12:37Z
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@futurebird @krozruch It’s because we are a mostly civilized people
(DIR) Post #AqcUzVPrmhCPmFw1ho by kevinrns@mstdn.social
2025-01-30T21:18:12Z
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@futurebird @peoplelikedogs @n00q LOTS of organizations have dumped twitter and are on Mastodon, maybe contact an organization to co-author their experiences jumping ship.
(DIR) Post #AqcsuBvtC5dQnnuc9A by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-01-31T01:46:12Z
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@MedeaVanamonde @krozruch Most of the time... did no one look at the edit history on the posts I made on this thread?;}🐜🐜🐜🐜
(DIR) Post #AqctBzD3ElkKYRQOX2 by MedeaVanamonde@chaosfem.tw
2025-01-31T01:49:23Z
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@futurebird @krozruch No m’am. i was having a neurological melt down today right after i tooted that.
(DIR) Post #AqctD3K5QeadbNDwf2 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-01-31T01:49:34Z
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@silverfish @krozruch @llewelly A post edit is the only thing I have a sound alert turned on for. And it's nice that so many people care enough to fix their spelling errors.
(DIR) Post #AqctNwRBMyL5Qqjdw0 by grumpasaurus@infosec.exchange
2025-01-31T01:51:34Z
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@futurebird @miguelpergamon Instagram is the same way.
(DIR) Post #AqctXpYToRPUyzrcum by MedeaVanamonde@chaosfem.tw
2025-01-31T01:53:20Z
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@futurebird @miguelpergamon Haahaha I never used it that way
(DIR) Post #AqctkNmYNowSbwQqrg by MedeaVanamonde@chaosfem.tw
2025-01-31T01:55:37Z
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@futurebird @miguelpergamon It’s a nest of Information Virus and enclaves of Anti-Information-Virus.I continue to wonder what critical optic mass it will take to turn it into a Singularity