Post Aq6K1hojKf1CGOh3om by bonkmaykr@gameliberty.club
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(DIR) Post #Aq5YlSjSxDhZ01z4Ii by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2025-01-14T23:55:07Z
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In the eyes of an extreme freetard, playing an old DOS or NES game is no different than using Windows 11, Discord, or Google Chrome.
(DIR) Post #Aq5ZFgKQy5Azr4gXSa by PurpCat@clubcyberia.co
2025-01-15T00:00:31.123333Z
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@xianc78 i've seen people like this get really angry when I talk about running DOS on a PC-98 or 486 era PC because even though it's the OS it ran, it's proprietary and none of them understand the point of using an old computer for games.
(DIR) Post #Aq5ZiPeu1cmwYIxX84 by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-01-15T00:05:45.971540Z
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@xianc78 also forgetting it hasn't been built on top of DOS since NT lol
(DIR) Post #Aq5ZwAYKz9NHkxRpp2 by PurpCat@clubcyberia.co
2025-01-15T00:08:11.481241Z
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@KaiserKitty @xianc78 read into the cp/m story on why this is the case too. It wasn't just UNIX.
(DIR) Post #Aq5ahMVgLXpQS2i1ui by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2025-01-15T00:16:46Z
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@PurpCat Nah bro, you should only play free software games like Tux Racer. Proprietary games, including games released for old platforms keep you isolated and helpless.
(DIR) Post #Aq5gEyVGbnxbc2MW0G by rher@mugicha.club
2025-01-15T01:18:53.756880Z
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He is sometimes helpful but most of his information comes off a now defunct wiki that was a decade outdated before it shut down.
(DIR) Post #Aq5gNROL5RMfWa9taq by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2025-01-15T01:20:24Z
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@rher I made an entire effortpost a few hours ago explaining why this free software zealotry is actually hurting the movement and keeping people on Windows.https://gameliberty.club/@xianc78/113828793448317580
(DIR) Post #Aq5gYS5qolP0t1lH6G by p
2025-01-15T01:22:25.977083Z
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@xianc78 Did you want a person at "free software extremist dot com" to suggest MS-DOS?Here's a FreeDOS boot floppy.freedos-floppy.img
(DIR) Post #Aq5gijjE6cOSTc5DPc by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2025-01-15T01:24:15Z
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@p They will reject FreeDOS because most people use it to play old, proprietary DOS games.
(DIR) Post #Aq5gzioGm56MYBXbxw by rher@mugicha.club
2025-01-15T01:27:19.947991Z
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That's all well and good but the biggest issue behind linux adoption is hardware support plain and simple. Ignoring licensing issues, drivers for peripherals under linux rarely work at all aand rarer still work well. I forget how much of their money the linux foundation spends on development but it's not a lot. Most of their money goes to charities. Throwing a pittance at developing good free drivers for gpus would go a long way towards acceptance in professional circles.
(DIR) Post #Aq5hCB89IxiDrOmO8G by p
2025-01-15T01:29:36.750456Z
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@xianc78 You can play the DOS port of Nethack. https://nethack.org/v343/ports/download-msdos.html
(DIR) Post #Aq5hMYubjxXAVtOfR2 by EdBoatConnoisseur@poa.st
2025-01-15T01:31:28.956187Z
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@rher @xianc78 dunno, controllers, mice and keyboards usually just work, or at least the ones i've used do, the one thing that has always been a headache for one reason or another is bluetooth but i guess bluetooth is just shit on every platform and OS by now.
(DIR) Post #Aq5hShlDkpPPh6w3CS by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2025-01-15T01:32:34Z
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@EdBoatConnoisseur @rher I never use anything Bluetooth related.
(DIR) Post #Aq5hV33JYx2SJDW328 by sally@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-01-15T00:37:06.502403Z
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@xianc78 @PurpCat Those that give up on freedom can do nothing but cope at the sight of those that achieve it and thrive.Keep coping.
(DIR) Post #Aq5hcFR9up7KkK6O7U by EdBoatConnoisseur@poa.st
2025-01-15T01:34:19.020108Z
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@xianc78 @rher both my dual sense controllers just work over bluetooth, which fun enough thanks to the absolute bullshit mess that is USB-c i have an easier time just connecting them over bluetooth than plugging the one USB-c cable they work with, now bluetooth headphones are annoying.
(DIR) Post #Aq5iPQvNzfxUZ0h52e by PurpCat@clubcyberia.co
2025-01-15T01:43:07.965391Z
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@rher @xianc78 using linux-libre is asking for nothing to work
(DIR) Post #Aq5iUo7dAocFxPz3rM by PurpCat@clubcyberia.co
2025-01-15T01:44:06.389006Z
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@sally @xianc78 tell me you don't play games without telling me you don't play games
(DIR) Post #Aq5nKTyVizEQLac8C8 by RK7@lab.nyanide.com
2025-01-15T02:38:21.000115Z
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@xianc78 @PurpCat I bet even fully reverse engineered games are a step to far for freetard purists too.They forget that older hardware/software typically wasn't really capable of the same sort of spying/telemetry that more modern stuff is- and freetardism on that front is more for ease of modification than muh security.
(DIR) Post #Aq5nPq8wjMqcY639YO by PurpCat@clubcyberia.co
2025-01-15T02:39:11.742817Z
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@RK7 @xianc78 dude some of them blow up if you mention shit like the system3 reverse engineering because WAH WAH WAH THE GAME ISN'T FULLY OPEN no the assets aren't and you gotta buy a game on gog/similar for them but you can run alice soft's old games with an engine clone, also a few of leafs games got opened because they broke gpl with xvid
(DIR) Post #Aq5njmh3GcXRdnVqJU by RK7@lab.nyanide.com
2025-01-15T02:42:55.412598Z
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@PurpCat @xianc78 Ideally yeah you'd have to the source code for everything available and copyright couldn't fuck you over as much, but that's not the world we live in. Like, you don't see freetards insisting you only watch big buck bunny or 1920s silent films, so they're almost capable of getting it
(DIR) Post #Aq5nkQsnqLhoHpJnBQ by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2025-01-15T02:43:00Z
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@PurpCat @RK7 The FSF has openly stated that art and level assets don't matter as long as the code is libre.
(DIR) Post #Aq5nsWr3WYaV7mMU9g by PurpCat@clubcyberia.co
2025-01-15T02:44:24.401359Z
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@xianc78 @RK7 you can run sengoku rance natively on linux with thishttps://github.com/kichikuou/xsystem35-sdl2
(DIR) Post #Aq5ntuHvstam5kaeLg by RK7@lab.nyanide.com
2025-01-15T02:44:45.264106Z
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@xianc78 @PurpCat someone should send this to the /g/tards
(DIR) Post #Aq5o5yuQWupftkLxCK by PurpCat@clubcyberia.co
2025-01-15T02:46:50.153302Z
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@RK7 @xianc78 the old school ones would actually buy xboxes/playstations for this. I'm not joking, I knew a Mac Enjoyer who had game consoles for gaming after Mac gaming died off in the 2000s (he had lots of Feral/Aspyr/Macsoft ports in big box). Laugh all you want but there was a time when Macs had ports and the SS1 Mac port was the only one they could find the source code for even!
(DIR) Post #Aq5onm25lVAYhjoua8 by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2025-01-15T02:54:49Z
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@PurpCat @RK7 Retro Mac gaming is very underrated. There are a lot of hidden gems there.https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=c7Jh154-wq4
(DIR) Post #Aq5ozMt554B8C08MrI by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2025-01-15T02:56:54Z
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@RK7 @PurpCat >They forget that older hardware/software typically wasn't really capable of the same sort of spying/telemetry that more modern stuff isYou should see all the old FSF interviews and documentaries from around that time. There main talking point was "sharing is caring". Like I'm not a big fan of intellectual property either, but I don't think that sharing copies is the most important thing in the world.
(DIR) Post #Aq5p4LMUBGhwuOGCS8 by PurpCat@clubcyberia.co
2025-01-15T02:57:45.760751Z
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@xianc78 @RK7 play escape velocity if you want one of the most infamous mac games that was not really portedhttps://macintoshgarden.org/games/escape-velocityhttps://macintoshgarden.org/games/escape-velocity-overridehttps://macintoshgarden.org/games/escape-velocity-novaglider toohttps://macintoshgarden.org/games/glider-prohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8_ypI_C7nM
(DIR) Post #Aq5phFLUTx51XmLSls by PurpCat@clubcyberia.co
2025-01-15T03:04:47.465918Z
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@xianc78 @RK7 Spying/telemetry wasn't a thing (outside of stuff like NSAKey, the Clipper chip and NSA forcing weaker crypto, etc) to the extent it was today until Edward Snowden's leaks, followed by Windows 10's telemetry and the rise in warrants/arrests from tech companies snitching on users.That's when everyone began to get worried. Especially as the big impact of Edward Snowden's leaks wasn't that people began to give a shit about online privacy (of course they didn't), but tech companies began to start things like using HTTPS everywhere and forcing the web onto it, as in the pre-Snowden era you could still browse most of the web in HTTP. But stuff like MS-DOS was a pain to get internet/networking in (TSRs and drivers anyone?), and even now the servers that any old software would phone into are probably long since shut down mostly.
(DIR) Post #Aq5pyv5mWRjpwRQORs by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2025-01-15T03:08:01Z
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@PurpCat @RK7 I know that, but the whole "sharing is caring" thing is probably why nobody outside of (Anti-Capitalists and Austrio-Libertarians) gave a shit about FOSS until the Snowden leaks.
(DIR) Post #Aq5q8rKHNbLr9mwfZI by bonkmaykr@gameliberty.club
2025-01-15T03:09:50Z
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@xianc78 @PurpCat @RK7 I am glad they've acknowledged the code-only situation that many formerly proprietary games are under (Doom, Quake, etc), but I imagine that someone will still complain about it because it limits the sharing aspect.Personally I believe the assets should be liberated too in most cases, but I can understand why that may not be a good idea especially if you are borrowing some media i.e. you have licensed music in your game, or if you want to incentivize people to buy a legit copy to use their free source port.
(DIR) Post #Aq5qFNqVNvB9kj86t6 by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2025-01-15T03:11:00Z
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@PurpCat @RK7 Escape Velocity looks like some Starflight clone with prerendered graphics.
(DIR) Post #Aq5qN2RmpQdvhcDZo0 by RK7@lab.nyanide.com
2025-01-15T03:12:25.494193Z
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@xianc78 @PurpCat The 2000s era of mac gaming was kinda interesting ngl. Because not was there the last few big releases for the platform, but half the games were literally just linux games.
(DIR) Post #Aq5qSbrwYfYj0e6pyS by PurpCat@clubcyberia.co
2025-01-15T03:13:21.286700Z
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@RK7 @xianc78 IMO the Mac gaming sphere died with Intel, and also the fact that you could both dualboot but also Apple in the later Intel era began to block older games from running because of 32 bit and later forcing devs to their own custom API.
(DIR) Post #Aq5r1CcsP31or4Yan2 by RK7@lab.nyanide.com
2025-01-15T03:19:41.211554Z
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@PurpCat @xianc78 People really do forget the FSF basically was birthed into existence purely by the eternal fact of printers being shitty and a frustrated nerd being pissed he couldn't fix the driver.
(DIR) Post #Aq5rCM57aVCZMm5PFY by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2025-01-15T03:21:40Z
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@bonkmaykr @PurpCat @RK7 Well there is the issue of proprietary data containing scripts for things like enemy behavior and cutscenes.https://web.archive.org/web/20191125215630/http://onpon4.github.io/articles/gaming-trap.html
(DIR) Post #Aq5rLFMXwDXD8NTbPM by RK7@lab.nyanide.com
2025-01-15T03:23:18.629433Z
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@PurpCat @xianc78 That and mac video drivers being notoriously shit
(DIR) Post #Aq5sruaeI54YDgDEi8 by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2025-01-15T03:40:21Z
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@PurpCat @RK7 The killing of 32-bit support on macOS truly killed whatever was left in terms of gaming on it. Case in point, the only way to play CaveStory on Mac now is to use the nxengine or whatever the SDL2 fork is for that.
(DIR) Post #Aq68wUENJsbVBMzuJk by sicp@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-01-15T06:40:30.370852Z
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@xianc78 Proprietary coward went out of his way to screenshot the post, lest he incur @Suiseiseki 's wrath.
(DIR) Post #Aq6CghFDZEiuj77Mw4 by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-01-15T07:22:26.343452Z
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@xianc78 All of the named software is proprietary.Old MS-DOS or NES games at least don't contain spyware and the digital handcuffs are now ineffective, but that software still doesn't respect your freedom.It is a fact that that the Dirty Operating System was hot garbage from the start.
(DIR) Post #Aq6CqmE5tqBl4cOnSK by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-01-15T07:24:15.696358Z
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@xianc78 @PurpCat Tux Racer was in fact made proprietary.Meanwhile, Extreme Tux Racer is free.Proprietary games don't respect your 4 freedoms; https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html#four-freedoms thus they do leave you isolated and helpless.
(DIR) Post #Aq6D1e4UYkzEy15e40 by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
2025-01-15T07:25:57.726862Z
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@PurpCat @RK7 @xianc78 I think that's not right? Sengoku Rance is system4, not system3, so you'd want https://github.com/nunuhara/xsystem4/But last I checked it doesn't run. I had it running before and it was good bar one notable issue: Accessing text history once it hit a certain size caused a crash.Also >github
(DIR) Post #Aq6D2A13n3Fu2djM9o by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-01-15T07:26:20.469139Z
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@xianc78 @p The main problem of "FreeDOS" is that you can't compile it without a proprietary compiler.I'm not too confident about the licensing situation, but it appears that it could be free software.The primary and only practical usage of "FreeDOS" is in fact the execution of old proprietary DOS software.
(DIR) Post #Aq6DGjy8um3xbNJn7I by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-01-15T07:28:57.169639Z
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@PurpCat @xianc78 @rher You sure love spreading disinformation don't you?GNU Linux-libre works just fine on my machines.What GNU Linux-libre does is remove proprietary software and proprietary software loading machinery and makes such patches so that some drivers work without proprietary software and so, if your hardware is not utter garbage, it will just work.
(DIR) Post #Aq6DLjGEyV8qqzA6j2 by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
2025-01-15T07:29:30.890316Z
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@xianc78 @RK7 @PurpCat Oh and I should cc @Rance in this. It's a damn shame that you couldn't do multiplayer FFA mode, so I am working on replicating it. Some things have to change, given that the game handled the player very differently to other factions, but I've worked out most of it. The only thing I'm not sure about is what to do if a player doesn't show for a fight. I could just have it wait forever until other players vote-kick the offending player(s), but I'd prefer something that can guarantee a fixed duration for each round.
(DIR) Post #Aq6DeiKsdfCpUDNvrk by Rance@sacred.harpy.faith
2025-01-15T07:29:38.202704Z
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You should specify exactly one number, between 1 and 6 (inc.), of how many units each player will field.
(DIR) Post #Aq6DfpZTDusKDRk3ge by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-01-15T07:33:29.114957Z
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@RK7 @PurpCat @xianc78 >fully reverse engineered gamesDue to copyright law, those are proprietary software and often are illegal to distribute - the source code is no good if you don't have the 4 freedoms; https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html#four-freedomsFree software clones of games written from scratch are good, as they respect the users freedom and often are functionally better than the original.>older hardware/software typically wasn't really capable of the same sort of spying/telemetryYes, older hardware and software didn't have spying, but this was due to technical limitations only - if the internet was more accessible at the time, they would have done what is being done at the moment.Old hardware and software was full of digital handcuffs, it's just that most of those handcuffs have now been broken or are bypassed.
(DIR) Post #Aq6DqsYQTM3SeZWOf2 by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-01-15T07:35:28.606304Z
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@xianc78 @RK7 @PurpCat Imaginary property does not exist; https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.htmlThe most important things in the world are freedom, community and sharing.
(DIR) Post #Aq6DurdxngFOzH0o5I by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-01-15T07:36:12.043148Z
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@xianc78 @PurpCat @RK7 GNU/JIHAD AGAINST "FOSS" AND ALL OTHER FORMS OF PROPRIETARY DEGENERACY!!!!!!!FREE SOFTWARE.
(DIR) Post #Aq6EIVThrX79BzUJd2 by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-01-15T07:40:28.353391Z
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@bonkmaykr @xianc78 @PurpCat @RK7 >I can understand why that may not be a good idea especially if you are borrowing some media i.e. you have licensed music in your game,Making a copy of an audio file is not borrowing, as both can have it and use it at the same time.It's a foolish decision to use music under a proprietary license, even for purely economic reasons, as that *will* screw over future distribution, with the forced removal of such music being common in ports of games to newer computers.If you have to delete some proprietary soundtracks from the free release, so be it.>if you want to incentivize people to buy a legit copy to use their free source port.If you want to incentivize people to pay you, you just ask for payment before you provide the binary and source code of the free software.
(DIR) Post #Aq6ELv1LLuORHPqequ by Rance@sacred.harpy.faith
2025-01-15T07:33:39.183440Z
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Added Lyx@cum.salon to game
(DIR) Post #Aq6EUhAMEUq4uuFXQe by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-01-15T07:42:40.581803Z
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@RK7 @PurpCat @xianc78 It was made because he could fix the printer software and someone had the source code to fix it, but that person refused to provide it, as he had betrayed humanity by signing a NDA to not do so.This was the time before copyright applied to software, thus if you had the source code, you had the 4 freedoms.
(DIR) Post #Aq6Egi2enoLT6lNPMG by pernia@cum.salon
2025-01-15T07:44:51.266527Z
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@xianc78 not to defend a retard, but MS-DOS is in fact hot garbage. especially in comparison to what there was at the time
(DIR) Post #Aq6Exr8mE7rAFZPnyi by pernia@cum.salon
2025-01-15T07:47:54.994649Z
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@rher @xianc78 linux is in most cases only a few years behind the release date of new hardware. and that's only because i'm not counting out-of-tree drivers
(DIR) Post #Aq6F0Xv49B7LVPHiIC by pernia@cum.salon
2025-01-15T07:48:23.681522Z
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@PurpCat @sally @xianc78 niggas that run linux-libre use their computer exclusively for childporn
(DIR) Post #Aq6K1gTQKONg61iWy8 by bonkmaykr@gameliberty.club
2025-01-15T08:03:29Z
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@Suiseiseki @PurpCat @xianc78 @RK7 > If you want to incentivize people to pay you, you just ask for payment before you provide the binary and source code of the free software.Right, I agree.However it is important to note that (disclaimer: I am not a lawyer) The terms of the copyright license are agreed to upon acquisition of the software, not before. Almost no free software licenses require the author to give out free copies, the GPL entitles you to the source code if you have a free binary but you are allowed to paywall access to the software. You just cannot restrict what people do with it afterwards and you have to cough up the source to anyone who gets a copy (hence putting it on a public Git repo is the obvious choice).This means you can sell a commercial product for-profit that is also free software. You don't need to ask for a donation before opening it up for download. But you cannot add DRM to try to stop people from copying it.
(DIR) Post #Aq6K1hojKf1CGOh3om by bonkmaykr@gameliberty.club
2025-01-15T08:06:15Z
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@Suiseiseki @PurpCat @xianc78 @RK7 maybe you meant purchasing rather than donating and we're actually on the same page, if my comment is redundant then forgive me.I don't think proprietary licensed music should entirely be off the table for developers because there are artistic considerations for using such music. You make a good suggestion about simply liberating the game without the third-party music, though.
(DIR) Post #Aq6K1j6UY6ouFm0l8q by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-01-15T08:44:38.173980Z
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@bonkmaykr @PurpCat @xianc78 @RK7 >But you cannot add DRM to try to stop people from copying it.The GPLv2 and GPLv3 do not forbid digital handcuffs - you are permitted to implement them - it's just that nobody bothers as you need to give the user everything they need to break them.>I don't think proprietary licensed music should entirely be off the tableMaybe, but out of purely economic considerations alone, proprietary licensed music should be off the table unless the terms are perpetual.
(DIR) Post #Aq7Ye5ou8EAGE9vwGm by p
2025-01-15T23:03:14.082162Z
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@Suiseiseki @xianc78 > you can't compile it without a proprietary compiler.I wouldn't know; DOSBox solves enough of my problems.I attempted to figure out what it uses but they have no documentation for this in the repo, just a script that wants to run as root and six levels of indirection. (Their build system alone appears to be much larger than any version of DOS from the DOS era.) I have a subversion checkout of it from 2009 (if you believe the timestamps) and subtracting sixteen years of bloat makes it a little easier to decipher: it looks like they have written portions of FreeDOS in C++ and they want TurboC++ for it, but I can't say for certain without solving the halting problem whether it is possible to use GCC for this. (Probably not worth the effort, because it's a C++ project: it's shit.)> I'm not too confident about the licensing situation,MIT.> The primary and only practical usage of "FreeDOS" is in fact the execution of old proprietary DOS software. If you think it is difficult to port FreeDOS to use GCC instead of TurboC++, it should be easy to acknowledge that it might be difficult to port even free software written for DOS to a more recent operating system.Free software written for DOS does exist. Some people use DOS as a bootloader! There were Linux distributions that did this, Chuck Moore did it for Forth environments, etc.That aside, I don't see any issues with using the computer to investigate older computers and older software; I don't know why you'd object to this.
(DIR) Post #Aq8DwY08BqQcxk6SW0 by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-01-16T06:45:57.293608Z
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@p @xianc78 >DOSBox solves enough of my problems.Yes, even if you intend to surrender your freedom to proprietary games, DOSBox usually offers a better experience.>MIT.Which one? MIT released many licenses.Just slapping a copy of MIT expat into a repo doesn't really mean anything legally.>it might be difficult to port even free software written for DOS to a more recent operating system.I reckon it'll be easier to port DOS C free software than to get sepples to compile.>Free software written for DOS does exist.Please provide examples.>Some people use DOS as a bootloader!I don't see why you would do that instead of using the superior GNU GRUB.>I don't see any issues with using the computer to investigate older computers and older softwareThere is mere investigation (you'll soon realize garbage it is and stop using it) and there is surrendering freedom to proprietary software.
(DIR) Post #Aq8E5Bp01S0QmR18a0 by vulonkaaz@v2.flyingcube.tech
2025-01-16T03:52:49.132952Z
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@xianc78 the irony of "free" software, people restricting their own freedom cause they become absolutely obsessed with software licensing and copyrightthat's why i'm a pirate
(DIR) Post #Aq8E5DC4v83r2Ip5Bw by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-01-16T06:47:24.408835Z
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@vulonkaaz @xianc78 You have no freedom if you can't even choose to be free.If you do not commit theft and murder with the help of a boat, you are not a pirate.
(DIR) Post #Aq8E71g4hybVtlicUq by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-01-16T06:47:51.468119Z
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@p @xianc78 *how garbage
(DIR) Post #Aq9BzBlvHwlG8eY6zo by p
2025-01-16T17:58:45.265176Z
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@Suiseiseki @xianc78 > Which one? MIT released many licenses.The one commonly called "the MIT license".> Just slapping a copy of MIT expat into a repo doesn't really mean anything legally.The author grants a license; if the author says a license is the public license, that's the license the author has granted.> I reckon it'll be easier to port DOS C free software than to get sepples to compile.Yeah, but although with Unix there's some amount of pressure (provided by the APIs available to developers) to use C, there was no such pressure with DOS. People used assembly half the time, people wrote code in random dialects of Pascal. On top of that, the "API" half the time was "write to video memory" or "trigger this BIOS interrupt". It's not easy to translate, even if it's C code.> Please provide examples.Impulse Tracker is BSD-licensed now. It's written in assembly, so porting is effectively a rewrite. I think you probably know this, but tools for composing music or drawing, people get attached to them, they're not easy to replace.> I don't see why you would do that instead of using the superior GNU GRUB.Well, aside from GRUB not having existed for a long time, if I had to pick a bootloader, I'd pick DOS before picking GRUB.> There is mere investigation (you'll soon realize garbage it is and stop using it)Well, of course it's all garbage: most DOS software doesn't even have resource-sharing via 9P. But people have put a lot of effort into SIMH, for example. It's difficult to tell if you've ported something competently without being able to run the old version.
(DIR) Post #Aq9DRc98vEK204WoUq by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-01-16T18:15:02.869948Z
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@xianc78 @rher You are barking at the wrong tree. These people will never change nor understand. That's why they are only worthy of getting laughed at. Especially Suiseiseki.
(DIR) Post #Aq9E2aUg1tPhaaENGq by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-01-16T18:21:45.063370Z
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@Suiseiseki @p @xianc78 >>The main problem of "FreeDOS" is that you can't compile it without a proprietary compiler.>https://www.freedos.org/about/devel/>https://github.com/FDOS/kernel/blob/master/build.bat#L10>https://gitlab.com/FreeDOS/base/fdisk/-/blob/master/SOURCE/FDISK/Makefile (OpenWatcom)>https://gitlab.com/FreeDOS/base/fdisk/-/blob/master/SOURCE/FDISK/Makefile.gcc (I16 Gcc)>OpenWatcom (OSI approved, ie not proprietary)>NASM (BSD 2-clause, ie not proprietary)Again, you don't even know what you are talking about.
(DIR) Post #Aq9EcWUMOizzanDa6K by p
2025-01-16T18:28:16.395088Z
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@phnt @Suiseiseki @xianc78 > OSI approvedOkay but the OSI is a shit-man place and the license does suck: https://opensource.org/license/sybase-php
(DIR) Post #Aq9F5mOOLa4VJaNQe0 by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-01-16T18:33:32.175278Z
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@p @Suiseiseki @xianc78 It does suck, but it's still better than being source-available. The worst part of is probably the requirement to publish your modified source even when used privately. It's not FSF approved, because they disagreed with that part of the license.
(DIR) Post #Aq9ixITqfl1SqvnhYG by p
2025-01-17T00:08:10.699135Z
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@phnt @Suiseiseki @xianc78 Yeah, I wouldn't call it free, but it is open-source.
(DIR) Post #Aq9jrrRdrY3VVejxVQ by lxo@gnusocial.jp
2025-01-16T21:46:07Z
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software freedom is not about copyright and licensing, that's a view that a dissidence set out ot promote but it's not ours. copyrights over software are but one of the powers by which others attempt to trap us and control us through the software we use. copyright licensing can be means to relinquish those powers, but all software users have to be watchful for other ways others may gain power over us through our computing. choosing to be oblivious to traps that can take away your freedom is not as clever as you seem to portray
(DIR) Post #Aq9k5lLlJtXOf2cR16 by ullard@shitposter.world
2025-01-17T00:20:54.286263Z
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@vulonkaaz What will you do when control over your software is exerted to the extent that you can't pirate it anymore? If you don't control the software, the software controls you, every time.
(DIR) Post #Aq9kGnZDPwigiqApwu by ullard@shitposter.world
2025-01-17T00:22:53.963703Z
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@lxo @vulonkaaz Software licensing is boring finicky and frustrating, but we have to care because that is the best we've got to preserve freedom, the actual aim
(DIR) Post #AqA4m4PCrOaH0SgHfU by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2025-01-17T04:12:36Z
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@phnt @rher Yeah. I just realized that they are no different than left-anarchists who try to fight capitalism buy destroying small businesses. They're just firing at the wrong targets.
(DIR) Post #AqAHwygnkgoVrqRUnY by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-01-17T06:40:16.528546Z
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@p @phnt @xianc78 Yes, the "OSI" has approved multiple proprietary licenses, as they happen to meet the looser 10 requirements.
(DIR) Post #AqAINVLOxs7sfq58KG by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-01-17T06:45:02.894394Z
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@xianc78 @phnt @rher What are you even on about?The free software movements aims to eliminate all proprietary software, no matter whether a small or big business distributes it.Each line of freedom is fired at the intended target.