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(DIR) Post #Aq0lLGV08s218wG02a by civodul@toot.aquilenet.fr
2025-01-12T14:31:53Z
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Philosophy class homework: Does an activist organization require authoritarianism to protect itself from infiltration and to preserve its integrity and its values?Illustrate your work with examples of activist organizations, showing the impact of their governance structure on its integrity.https://www.fsf.org/news/anchoring-the-fsf-in-its-values#FreeSoftware
(DIR) Post #Aq0lLHotEPXDEuZOgC by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2025-01-12T16:22:26Z
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@civodul I think (or hope) authoritarianism in communities and organizations is just a teenage sickness, manifested by people's irrational desire for the community as a "virtual entity" or a "thing in itself" to "exist", to be "constituted", and for its members to "align" and "share values", to be homogeneous, all of which requires setting up "standards" and "filters", and institutionalizing "rules"
(DIR) Post #Aq0qyu3DWSUksLyuOW by civodul@toot.aquilenet.fr
2025-01-12T17:25:01Z
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@nobody “Teenage sickness” may not be the right term for a 40yo org.
(DIR) Post #Aq0tW6TQYWMarvCSKe by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2025-01-12T17:54:04Z
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@civodul Well, depending on which scale you look at. I'm seeing parallels with "nations" and "ethnoses", and these "projects" haven't found any way out of this very same framework, and they are 5-7 times older than that
(DIR) Post #Aq0vLVckuGWRaudgWG by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2025-01-12T18:14:33Z
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@civodul > those who would like to make software licenses forbid the use of programs for various practices they consider harmful. Such license restrictions would not achieve the goal of ending those practices and each restriction would split the free software communityPleased to see some healthy self-critique from the FSF:)
(DIR) Post #Aq2UwWPIeK34I6goj2 by lxo@gnusocial.jp
2025-01-12T17:37:37Z
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@slothrop @nobody @civodul @anthk @janneke if someone were to push (suggest, recommend, demand, command, whatever) you to do something, and you, based on your own values and principles, decided not to go along with it, would you label yourself authoritarian, for resisting the attempted infiltration?
(DIR) Post #Aq2V0jBr41NL5zPGVM by civodul@toot.aquilenet.fr
2025-01-12T18:12:02Z
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@lxo We’re talking about a registered non-profit, not about an individual. That you make such a comparison is baffling to me.@anthk @slothrop
(DIR) Post #Aq2V0kWS6vRhEA3EFU by lxo@gnusocial.jp
2025-01-12T20:22:08Z
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@amszmidt @civodul @janneke @slothrop @nobody @anthkbaffling because you see your contradiction that my question leads to, or because you don't really get it?there's nothing authoritarian about a person, an organization, or any group really wishing to remain loyal to their values and principles.it doesn't matter how much third parties ask or demand or scream or make things up to push the person/org/group to do otherwise.you don't have a say on what I am going to have for lunch, and if you did, you'd be the authoritarian, not me, for striving to retain my autonomy.your argument is entirely fallacious.just like you can choose whom to listen to and trust WRT decisions pertaining to yourself, so can any person, organization and group. that's not authoritarian, that's autonomy and self-direction.when someone cannot respect that, and tries to force others to do as they bid, that's authoritarian. it's the opposite of accepting that others can and will stick to their own values and principles if they wish, without being swayed by outsider's opinions when they conflict with those values and principles.
(DIR) Post #Aq2V3RQBaIf4r5P5AO by zacchiro@mastodon.xyz
2025-01-12T20:48:31Z
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@civodul they're also conflating two unrelated issues in that (super weird) "announcement": (1) the fact that supporter-elected boards are more prone to hostile takeovers than self-perpetuating boards (which is true as a general proposition), and (2) the FSF baroque voting/board members split, which does not protect against anything at all and is currently helping rms to stay in power. Total non sequitur.
(DIR) Post #Aq2V3SQDreHjxUQcrY by lxo@gnusocial.jp
2025-01-12T20:58:35Z
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(2) is noise, it makes no difference to (1); it's there to meet a legal requirement, that's all. IIUC, IANAL.if it was just a self-perpetuating board, do you think that would make any difference about your perception of rms's remaining in the board? way to make a tempest in a teapot!
(DIR) Post #Aq4LmplDKPn49DAJFo by zacchiro@mastodon.xyz
2025-01-13T08:10:02Z
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@lxo if anything, the tempest comes straight from the FSF here, making a weird, full-blown "announcement" just to say « we will keep voting members »
(DIR) Post #Aq4LmqzQl2kxxapB3I by lxo@gnusocial.jp
2025-01-14T03:46:40Z
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I'm surprised that the main point you seem to get from the article is something it doesn't even state. it looks like you're not trying really hard to understand what it says about resisting infiltration attempts and maintaining integrity in the face of frequent attacks from various kinds of opponents.your frustration seems to suggest that you want the organization to be vulnerable to this sort of attacks, and that we're to blame for not opening our flanks to opponents. how would that even make sense?
(DIR) Post #ArpMxsEs9SBx5VXR0C by taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org
2025-03-08T00:03:25.577264Z
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@civodul Late response, but I must say: I find it ironic that you would complain about authoritarianism in the #FSF, when #Guix has a huge authoritarianism problem of its own. I would recommend looking inwards first, before accusing others.When I was bullied out of the project three years ago for saying "can we please show equal respect to different points of view?" I thought it was a problem with anti-feminism, but I think the underlying issue was really moral authoritarianism. It could also be called a new puritanism. (Credit to Andrew Doyle for that coinage.)Feminists who are critical of the sexist concept of gender identity seem to be just one of the many different groups who are suffering oppression and discrimination from the new puritans, and the Guix core dev community sadly seems to have become a hotbed of this sort of attitude.#FreeSoftware(Not sure if this message will even come through, or if I'm pre-emptively blocked thanks to #FediBlock which is another glaring example of the problem I'm talking about.)
(DIR) Post #ArpMxtXhIwqP8BLyz2 by quasi@peister.org
2025-03-08T00:10:39.646904Z
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@taylanThe anti-authoritarian @civodul blocked me after I expressed my opinions about the authoritarian stallman report, total hypocrit