Post ApyIPky1WCgdoGhYga by teratology@the.asbestos.cafe
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(DIR) Post #ApsgvobNFvLxVrLBNw by newt@stereophonic.space
2025-01-08T18:55:08.282059Z
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>GNOME is a slow and bugged piece of shit- Comment about GNOME on a Linux forum circa 2001.I'm glad that some things never change :blobcatcomfyuwu:
(DIR) Post #ApshJ6CTzVRSkonh44 by mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click
2025-01-08T18:56:29.471650Z
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@newt i use gnome and it's noticeably faster than KDE, and uses less power too when on battery
(DIR) Post #ApshJ7Wj3jEErtHNFw by newt@stereophonic.space
2025-01-08T18:59:22.597183Z
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@mischievoustomato you're wrong
(DIR) Post #ApwrbgpjoyPiXnKdu4 by adiz@wl0.9ch.nl
2025-01-10T19:13:50.729279Z
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@newt He's not wrong. I share similar sentiments having used both. I greatly prefer Gnome over KDE. @mischievoustomato
(DIR) Post #Apwt3y8jAcF8HUGL3o by newt@stereophonic.space
2025-01-10T19:29:57.721193Z
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@adiz @mischievoustomato you both are wrong
(DIR) Post #Apwt8GlDsd5XBuJpzc by newt@stereophonic.space
2025-01-10T19:30:52.148181Z
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@adiz @mischievoustomato
(DIR) Post #ApwuRNms4zYCRKlfGK by newt@stereophonic.space
2025-01-10T19:45:24.322059Z
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@prettygood @mischievoustomato @adiz gay and lame
(DIR) Post #ApwuYe205D2CqZJ6Js by newt@stereophonic.space
2025-01-10T19:46:45.793009Z
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@prettygood @mischievoustomato @adiz sorry, but anything based on GTK is just horrible. Literally the worst toolkit possible, starting with GTK3.
(DIR) Post #ApwxIsbiQCbbHbBeFc by mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click
2025-01-10T19:56:13.584242Z
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@newt @adiz @prettygood gtk4+libadwaita is so kino
(DIR) Post #ApwxIuP1kLe0qpGXke by newt@stereophonic.space
2025-01-10T20:17:27.839988Z
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@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz the most useless framework that can't even render fonts properly, until enough people complain and three years later the devs bring back the old behaviour that maybe gonna stick for a while.https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/3787
(DIR) Post #Apwy2osWcMHd2SxHqy by newt@stereophonic.space
2025-01-10T20:25:54.263340Z
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@prettygood @mischievoustomato @adiz I doubt they will. GTK4 is effectively a new framework altogether, migration to it would require a complete rewrite. It's more likely that XFCE people fork GTK3.
(DIR) Post #ApwyCqUxRx0sxUiFTU by JollyWizard@poa.st
2025-01-10T20:27:46.452796Z
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@newt @mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz I give up I'm just going to disable text.
(DIR) Post #ApxAtqJ1Ey0KGOOhAe by mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click
2025-01-10T22:16:15.735075Z
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@newt @adiz @prettygood bleh, renders fonts normal on my machine
(DIR) Post #ApxAtrNfFBJXb5Zv3A by newt@stereophonic.space
2025-01-10T22:49:48.118966Z
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@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz not normal enough to get you laid
(DIR) Post #ApxQmbiEhKzKF6lRXE by adiz@wl0.9ch.nl
2025-01-11T01:47:58.251106Z
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@mischievoustomato yeah, I've never had this issue either @newt @prettygood
(DIR) Post #ApyDSFysgIHco1TXdY by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-01-11T10:53:19Z
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@newt This might even sound reasonable were we not comparing it to Qt — Qt for fuck's sake! The single most disgusting thing in two universes.Which in 2002 was more bloated than the web BTW — QML is the grandfather of modern web debauchery. The only good thing about it is that it contains a wide range of ready to use components — that's what they did with GTK4, so now development dependencies drag even GStreamer in, but somehow you don't like it.@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz
(DIR) Post #ApyDZ91ovfLnGn8Q08 by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-01-11T10:54:36Z
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@newt It's basically like Delphi or rather C++ Builder, but cross-platform — and in no OS it looks native.To be fair, I know a couple of commercial applications for Mac OS X using Qt that almost look natively, but A LOT of effort was put into it. In Windows it always looks like an illegal alien, and in Linux it's so ugly that you can scare children with it 😱@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz
(DIR) Post #ApyDZTA04xmFhx7EWm by newt@stereophonic.space
2025-01-11T10:54:28.229295Z
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@m0xee @mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz Qt is very nice. Probably the best tool for UI development we currently have.You too are wrong, therefore.
(DIR) Post #ApyDcwQPjJejL7RsSe by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-01-11T10:55:18Z
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@newt And no matter how they modularise it, to develop with it you still have to build this giant monolith comparable to Firefox and Chrome, and it has an optional component based on the latter.Man, can anything — anything at all, be worse than this… thing! 🤢@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz
(DIR) Post #ApyDllT9pfrty1wIBE by newt@stereophonic.space
2025-01-11T10:56:44.232059Z
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@m0xee @mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz why would you build Qt? Linux distros have it pre-packaged.
(DIR) Post #ApyDzi8r06axhY5n7o by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-01-11T10:59:20Z
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@newt > Probably the best tool for UI development we currently haveWhen a developer tells me: "I use Qt because it's the easiest way to make my software cross-platform",— I think… Okay, you've given up on the way your software looks and feels and took the easy way out. Other options require lots of effort, it's not for everyone. It's somewhat acceptable, but when I see something like this from the user's perspective:@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz
(DIR) Post #ApyE35KRFV2uU07UhM by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-01-11T11:00:01Z
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@newt > Qt is very niceNo! Just no! It's a steaming disgusting pile of crap!@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz
(DIR) Post #ApyECf5leQFs0VpAIa by newt@stereophonic.space
2025-01-11T11:01:34.702062Z
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@m0xee @mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz how do you guys do this? I haven't seen a single objectively correct opinion in this thread other than my own.
(DIR) Post #ApyFPsxBWcemiVgARk by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-01-11T11:15:21Z
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@newt Have you ever seen that? A developer relying on whatever their distro gives them if that is their immediate dependency?There are reasons for that — testing with different versions, avoiding distro-specific patches…@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz
(DIR) Post #ApyFVwgsXn1g2owSES by newt@stereophonic.space
2025-01-11T11:16:15.960107Z
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@m0xee @mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz yes. I develop software with Qt and I use NixOS to fetch dependencies.
(DIR) Post #ApyFXC2qwTM5xGoafo by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-01-11T11:16:40Z
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@newt One of the signs you might be a conspiracy-theorist 😏@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz
(DIR) Post #ApyGaIHyHfZM8uveZk by newt@stereophonic.space
2025-01-11T11:28:22.085056Z
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@m0xee @mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz I am, because conspiracies are real. But nevertheless, Qt is quite fine.Also, mind you, I never ever mentioned cross-platform stuff here. I use Qt only for Linux (maybe BSD) and don't really care about non-X11 systems.
(DIR) Post #ApyIPkB6S5YTMXoUQy by mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click
2025-01-10T19:56:05.355296Z
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@prettygood @adiz @newt i dont know what an xfce is or does sorry
(DIR) Post #ApyIPky1WCgdoGhYga by teratology@the.asbestos.cafe
2025-01-11T11:48:24.790556Z
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@mischievoustomato @prettygood @newt @adiz the best DE environment
(DIR) Post #ApyJCwtXxZMWzc439c by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-01-11T11:57:49Z
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@newt And when someone tells you that your software can't be built in Debian with latest version of dependencies and segfaults even when patched to be buildable… Let me guess, you tell them WONTFIX: "Go fuck yourself and use the versions that I use" — congratulations, you've reinvented snaps/flatpaks without wasting any effort on providing the infrastructure 😂@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz
(DIR) Post #ApyJZHVK11vZHYNlBI by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-01-11T12:01:49Z
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@newt > I use Qt only for Linux (maybe BSD) and don't really care about non-X11 systems.Well, we also have a room full of people right here who use GTK in Linux and are perfectly fine with it, so…What should the punchline be? "Works for me 🤷"?@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz
(DIR) Post #ApyJZTKQ3OKvxDNDqy by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.world
2025-01-11T12:01:54.796425Z
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@adiz @mischievoustomato @newt both are pigs :shrug:
(DIR) Post #ApyOOKOJRQ3goyhStM by newt@stereophonic.space
2025-01-11T12:55:40.494087Z
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@m0xee @mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz there are even more people who use Windows. They too are wrong.
(DIR) Post #ApyQSJNdLFLykiPSzI by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-01-11T13:19:01Z
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@newt @mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz People using Windows?! Oh, come on! Stop making shit up! 😏
(DIR) Post #ApyQc45p2BaQEfjHii by pesekcuy@stereophonic.space
2025-01-11T13:20:48.270674Z
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@newt @m0xee @adiz @mischievoustomato @prettygood i'm feeling strong chad aura from this convo akin to the attachment
(DIR) Post #ApyRLJDFfLDA9zmKES by charlie_root@annihilation.social
2025-01-11T13:28:58.288364Z
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@m0xee @newt @mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz Less using Windows than how can you eyes handle that color scheme 💀
(DIR) Post #ApyTT9PcBhwrzOQcL2 by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-01-11T13:52:48Z
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@charlie_root Ha-ha-ha! I think it "enhances" the overall "using Windows" experience. I only use light colour scheme on this Windows machine and, although I can't say I only did it for this screenshot, but I was messing with Bloat's CSS right before taking this screenshot 🤣@mischievoustomato @prettygood @newt @adiz
(DIR) Post #ApyVWhZHqwTqhPm0Js by newt@stereophonic.space
2025-01-11T14:15:30.197400Z
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@m0xee @mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz man, you clearly hate yourself enough to suffer through this. My condolences.
(DIR) Post #ApyWRLBHlC3BlzYQUq by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-01-11T14:26:05Z
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@newt Oh, man, don't! I know you can relate — you're relying on Qt daily!I hope you can get off this shit before it kills you 😏@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz
(DIR) Post #ApyWdY3JjKTNAUeFfs by newt@stereophonic.space
2025-01-11T14:28:06.270143Z
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@m0xee @mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz are you saying I should switch to Windows like you?
(DIR) Post #ApyXPy6eAMs7s9IIe8 by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-01-11T14:36:57Z
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@newt Unlike you I have like 7 machines and none of them have Qt or anything depending on it. This one, among other things, has Windows — it's a guilty pleasure of mine. I usually don't even show it to anyone, but you're special.For you on the other hand Qt is like… Drug of choice. Switching to Windows as replacement therapy? 🤔 No, not good, I won't recommend it!@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz
(DIR) Post #ApyXnGKOaHrx2wpfYO by charlie_root@annihilation.social
2025-01-11T14:41:15.738826Z
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@prettygood @mischievoustomato @newt @adiz X11*mic drop
(DIR) Post #ApyXwLiduSn0NBVU0m by mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click
2025-01-11T14:28:11.789846Z
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@m0xee @adiz @newt @prettygood qt software is often ugly
(DIR) Post #ApyXwN0l6asINezSt6 by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-01-11T14:42:53Z
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@mischievoustomato I have to admit that it got much less so with years, and by the low standards we have today its requirements might seem modest.But as 2002 was mentioned in the opening post, I think it's worth noting that at the time Qt was extremely bloated, slow and… just abominable! Athena widget set didn't seem that ugly in comparison.@adiz @newt @prettygood
(DIR) Post #ApyZldx1yzpvdqG9c8 by newt@stereophonic.space
2025-01-11T15:03:09.818680Z
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@m0xee @mischievoustomato @adiz @prettygood >in 2002Last I checked, it is the year of Our Lord and Saviour 2025. 2002 was 23 years ago. People born in 2002 are having kids now.
(DIR) Post #Apyc8btC0yxPocXkh6 by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-01-11T15:29:56Z
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@newt Please correct me if I'm wrong, but was it me or was it someone nicknamed Newt, who mentioned a comment from… 2001 even (!) in the opening post? 🤔@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz
(DIR) Post #ApycmmgZIFy2sonLM0 by newt@stereophonic.space
2025-01-11T15:36:59.125223Z
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@m0xee @mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz gnome hasn't changed in this aspect. Qt has.
(DIR) Post #ApydwEkIR5B6TEbsCe by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-01-11T15:50:07Z
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@newt Gnome wasn't "slow and bugged" — especially compared to Qt-based KDE of the time. This was my point!I don't even know what full GNOME experience is nowadays, but what I have learned from that time is to never touch anything Qt — even with a five-hundred-metre pole!@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz
(DIR) Post #ApydzN3pyc5381FDay by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-01-11T15:50:41Z
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@newt I see new Qt software every now and then — it's hard to not notice that things have improved, computers got more performant so having GUI toolkit in C++ became acceptable, but it's still not something worth installing 200 packages named "qt-kitchen-sink" and KDE… It's something I knew I would never use, it feels wrong to me in every possible way.@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz
(DIR) Post #ApyeOIQGMJ1xyycRY8 by newt@stereophonic.space
2025-01-11T15:54:59.140431Z
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@m0xee @mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz linux people being scared of installing packages will never be not funny. The system that prides itself on supposedly robust package managers has conditioned its users to be afraid of installing software. How do you even take any of this seriously?
(DIR) Post #ApyfcM5PdMW7Lz8NnM by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-01-11T16:08:55Z
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@newt I'm security conscious 😜I hand-pick even the fonts. If the system can keep working without it, why have it? Some of my machines don't have fuser/lsof or who or netstat… Having Qt is akin to having a behemoth like LibreOffice installed on a machine where I don't use it.I don't insist on everyone being like that, but it's one more reason why Qt isn't for me, its modularity needs more work.@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz
(DIR) Post #Apym74z1s6YP0nBLua by dwaltiz@pleroma.soykaf.com
2025-01-11T16:40:44.598038Z
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@newt @m0xee because the people who package the software are usually fucking retarded and often mark optional dependencies as mandatory
(DIR) Post #Apym75dRRqsd285cu0 by newt@stereophonic.space
2025-01-11T17:21:29.777877Z
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@dwaltiz @m0xee don't use garbage distros. Problem solved.
(DIR) Post #ApyuEukabI4nE0fuKG by mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click
2025-01-11T16:56:21.701948Z
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@adiz @newt @prettygood I've noticed that gtk4 apps render text just as good if not better than KDE/QT, but also, the text rendering is consistent. On KDE/QT some stuff is bolder on some places for some reason, or bigger or whatever. I saw someone even made a report about it and... the guy was told "yeah it's qt stuff, hard that it'll be fixed"
(DIR) Post #ApyuEvn6jPgWS6rQtE by newt@stereophonic.space
2025-01-11T18:52:33.703029Z
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@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz ok, forget rendering. My favourite thing about GTK is that you can't have popovers and text selection at the same time.As a result, Fractal (matrix client in GTK4) doesn't allow selecting parts of messages. https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/fractal/-/issues/1088https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/4606
(DIR) Post #ApyulpEa8ACRfmOfIW by mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click
2025-01-11T18:55:04.787006Z
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@newt @adiz @prettygood bleh, i don't really care. I don't remember the last time I highlighted text on Fractal 🤷
(DIR) Post #ApyulqLhz9Uj8Ajs2q by newt@stereophonic.space
2025-01-11T18:58:30.299509Z
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@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz that's required to copy a part of a message
(DIR) Post #Aq6MjtwPohIiW0URZA by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-01-15T09:15:05Z
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@newtTell me more about those… non-garbage distros 🤔@dwaltiz
(DIR) Post #Aq6N0SyjJgNToaTIG0 by mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click
2025-01-11T16:57:07.188941Z
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@m0xee @adiz @newt @prettygood gtk4 feels light tbqh and gstreamer is great
(DIR) Post #Aq6N0Trg1OKWZ0BAu0 by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-01-15T09:18:04Z
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@mischievoustomato I don't have anything against GStreamer per se, I think that this "batteries included" approach is problematic — I think it will make GTK4 a lot like Qt, both in good and bad ways 🤷@adiz @newt @prettygood
(DIR) Post #Aq6NFVAfRlhkxVDzG4 by mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click
2025-01-11T16:57:25.180825Z
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@m0xee @adiz @newt @prettygood macOS always gets nice support 😭😭😭
(DIR) Post #Aq6NFVtgkNiXD8HwQq by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-01-15T09:20:47Z
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@mischievoustomato Not in 2000s, it wasn't. Relying on Qt as your GUI framework was not the status quo, more like a bold move, but in terms of being cross-platform it was a good choice even at the time. @adiz @newt @prettygood
(DIR) Post #Aq6V3BiClisOlXYCuW by dwaltiz@pleroma.soykaf.com
2025-01-15T10:25:59.940655Z
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@m0xee inb4 nixos @newt
(DIR) Post #Aq6VPHUPy5sV3VdXcm by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-01-15T10:52:08Z
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@dwaltiz @newtThat is actually what inspired me to bring up a post from two (or more?) days ago: https://www.dgt.is/blog/2025-01-10-nix-death-by-a-thousand-cuts/NixOS doesn't look like a low-maintenance distro. It's fine when you only have a computer or two, but when you have more and they have vastly different roles… I hate updating and I love customisation, with Void I have to spend a few hours a month on building the few packages I want a bit different than what Void is giving me…
(DIR) Post #Aq6VYZCFVHasZxZAH2 by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-01-15T10:53:51Z
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@dwaltiz @newtWith Gentoo I had to do spend the whole day on it every week — justfixing build breakages, that is why I'm never going back to Gentoo everagain.And NixOS… It does not appear that it shines in this regard.Also… systemd. With Void I can do "ps ax" and tell you what each of the processes does almost at any given time, this is never the case with systemd-based distros where something's always happening behind your back 😩