Post ApxxizDieSieToN5LE by Emmaf_77@piaille.fr
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(DIR) Post #ApxOHd9H6o7JoMVr7I by stux@mstdn.social
2025-01-11T01:19:52Z
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Mastodon can be run locally on an intranet without touching the web and function just fineCorrect me if I'm wrong but I don't think this is the case with a Bluesky PDSFrom personally experience it has to use a lot of services provided by Bluesky, many of them listed here: status.bsky.appSo if you ask me if Bluesky is truly self-hosted? No, I don't think soIf the company behind Bsky dissapears and the server stop working I believe it's the endMastodon however can be forked and continued
(DIR) Post #ApxOevFDzisMayOzrs by justafrog@mstdn.social
2025-01-11T01:24:05Z
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@stux Some people do run a fully non-federated activitypub server, for friends or some other non-public group.If that's not possible, bsky is simply not decentralized.
(DIR) Post #ApxOgcGFXt5KIYgnXk by stux@mstdn.social
2025-01-11T01:24:25Z
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@justafrog That's what I also think
(DIR) Post #ApxP4rx6rDQPujIkW8 by justafrog@mstdn.social
2025-01-11T01:28:50Z
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@stux I figure if it needs more third party helper things than a standalone IRC server (that is: zero) then it's probably 100% corpo shit where they want to offload the cost of hosting their platform on people mislead into thinking they control something.
(DIR) Post #ApxPFeQdTjxP9kFlHU by stux@mstdn.social
2025-01-11T01:30:35Z
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@mackuba.eu What's say the "bare min" to setup an intranet for example?
(DIR) Post #ApxPMoJv6GOzrUWfSK by athos@bolha.one
2025-01-11T01:32:01Z
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@stux a PDS lives around the relays. BlueSky is a relay. you could spin the entire BlueSky infrastructure by yourself but it doesn't seem worth the hassle
(DIR) Post #ApxPOCVaecpxAaeCaO by stux@mstdn.social
2025-01-11T01:32:16Z
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@kissane Would it be possible to setup a intranet with those components?
(DIR) Post #ApxPUDm8rAhspwGBfc by stux@mstdn.social
2025-01-11T01:33:22Z
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@athos Let's say you spin one up, on that point it also connects to Bsky's relay or would it be a uh.. let's say "separate network"?
(DIR) Post #ApxPaK7qA0fGGhJqyG by athos@bolha.one
2025-01-11T01:34:24Z
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@stux from my understanding it would be a separate network entirely, but didn't went too far on their documentation so may not be entirely true
(DIR) Post #ApxPmjvk2oVVm9a412 by stux@mstdn.social
2025-01-11T01:36:43Z
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@athos Interesting! Could be both ways indeed :blobcatgiggle:
(DIR) Post #ApxPxVrEhrojJcbtjc by ramsey@phpc.social
2025-01-11T01:31:42Z
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@kissane @stux I contend it was designed this way on purpose.
(DIR) Post #ApxPxX5o7B4D96R35M by stux@mstdn.social
2025-01-11T01:38:37Z
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@ramsey @kissane It has plus sides like Brayd says here https://glitch.braydmedia.de/@brayd/113807151075098428 but also downsides and personally Mastodon wins with self sustainability
(DIR) Post #ApxQ7KuUGRH6G3oaqu by athos@bolha.one
2025-01-11T01:40:26Z
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@stux in my understanding their protocol was designed to give you control of your data (the PDS thing) but still connect to a centralized network (for the users that didn't wanted this and just signed up on their website)it is a solution to ActivityPub main complaint (which server do I sign up? which software I choose? what happens if my instances blows up or gets raided by the feds)if the company BlueSky blows up, in theory, anyone could just download all the software and spin another one up
(DIR) Post #ApxQG2tQcXHoz9TNAm by keremgo@ohai.social
2025-01-11T01:42:01Z
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@stux that's forking awesome!
(DIR) Post #ApxQYYAn3phZD9Pvyi by crossdavidl@mstdn.social
2025-01-11T01:45:22Z
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@stux Yeah...It's a really bummer alternative social media got SO CLOSE to the right answer.
(DIR) Post #ApxR6MYKlrwP18YKfo by 64bithero@mstdn.games
2025-01-11T01:51:27Z
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@stux Blueskys federation is a lot like Donald Trumps evidence about the 2020 election. It’s just bullshit
(DIR) Post #ApxSyslvITBYXETBnU by Little1Lost@layer8.space
2025-01-11T02:12:30Z
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@stux From my understanding:If the main Relay of Bsky does not get supported anymore it could be exchanges by modifying the "normal" URLsSome other parts (that centralize) could be changed in a similar mannerCurrently trying to replace the relay is simply ensuring the same thing exists twice, thus making it redundant, errorprone and maybe even opening the same "downsides" of mastodon (not uniform)a good, technical & fair read: https://dustycloud.org/blog/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/
(DIR) Post #ApxTYDdViRJHNcNuN6 by moira@mastodon.murkworks.net
2025-01-11T02:18:52Z
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@stux BlueSky is mildly complicated in that regard. Roughly speaking:A PDS is just your Personal Data Server. Your own posts, your records of relationships. That's all it is; it relies on talking to another service called a _Relay_ to do more.Relays are what handle the actual message distribution. Unlike Mastodon - where every instance is its own "relay" - without a Relay to talk to, your PDS can't send or receive messages.There _can_ be more than one Relay in a BlueSky network. But they scale _down_ very poorly; to run a proper relay, you're literally talking tens of thousands of dollars a year in costs.Their idea is that several Relay instances could be set up by organisations like CloudFlare. This has not yet happened, but could.
(DIR) Post #ApxVMwHA7ZAuGCgFM0 by foxyoreos@mastodon.social
2025-01-11T02:39:17Z
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@stux I want to head off what I'm starting to see as a common ATPro response to this kind of question. Yes, your PDS is public, yes anypony can read it. Yes, you could run a PDS without touching the Internet and turn it into a local display or consume the data elsewhere. But that's not really impressive. That's just a blog, it's just a data format. We had those already."You can do a lot with just a PDS" is sort of like saying, "you can do a lot with JSON."
(DIR) Post #ApxWaNqJ2VHJTa5qxk by not2b@sfba.social
2025-01-11T02:52:54Z
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@stux BlueSky is currently in what @pluralistic identified as the first stage of enshittificafion. That is the stage where the company is being really good to the users and operating at a loss. That is why I am on it; a lot of good people I used to follow on Twitter are there, and it has a lot of good features the Fediverse could learn from. But I expect that this will be temporary, because at some stage they will have to make money, and to do that they will have to make things worse.
(DIR) Post #ApxXQ6Pb5kSOTRGJ4i by joy@mastodon.social
2025-01-11T03:02:15Z
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@stux As a practical matter, the Bluesky UI is still centralized even if you run your own PDS or whatnot.Also, interestingly Bluesky is going for yet a third round of venture funding, as they are valued at $700M https://techhub.social/@Techmeme/113791779956336014
(DIR) Post #ApxePO4scm0IeYB5RQ by rexi@mastodon.social
2025-01-11T04:20:28Z
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@stux on the pure math, the social network with most built in #resilience
(DIR) Post #ApxgnFNynB9WYOcHPU by ErgonWolf@pawb.fun
2025-01-11T04:47:16Z
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@stux Excuse me... Mastodon can be what???
(DIR) Post #Apxvygt0NwoCLJ2juy by ujeenator@mastodon.social
2025-01-11T07:37:19Z
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@stux just an idea Could mastodon be a potential solution for future interplanetary social network federation? e.g. with very slow or limited connectivity
(DIR) Post #ApxxizDieSieToN5LE by Emmaf_77@piaille.fr
2025-01-11T07:57:00Z
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@stux @fatuus #lowtech
(DIR) Post #ApyLcRpoGOqo6AbRgm by TiedyeTed@mastodon.social
2025-01-11T12:24:42Z
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@stux actually you can install Linux, Apache, MySQL, and the entire stack on a laptop. I have been doing it since last century.
(DIR) Post #ApyfknLo9JOCEHpMSe by thomasjwebb@mastodon.social
2025-01-11T16:10:14Z
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@stux lately, I've been obsessed with those sorts of use cases too. Non-federated or intrenet/lan-only networks.
(DIR) Post #ApyutYcvlBI2U0TNFg by smxi@fosstodon.org
2025-01-11T18:59:56Z
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@stux according to a blog post by someone who has worked with federated tech bluesky stores all the security certificates used to identify users in one central place on their servers and as of yet cannot figure out how to make those distributed. They are aware of this issue and may be trying to resolve it. Or vc investors may decide they like that barrier to entry. This makes actual cloning only theoretical.Also you have to clone the entire data structure. Large, growing. Expensive servers.
(DIR) Post #ApzZYGaTjQXwZdIB5U by baralheia@dragonchat.org
2025-01-12T02:35:33Z
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@stux As far as I understand it, that's correct. A BlueSky PDS is just your data repository. To actually view any timelines, at minimum you would also need to run an AppView to ingest the event stream from the PDS, contextualize it, and display those events to the user. I'm not sure if this is a currently supported configuration either... I'm far from a guru on this tho so corrections are appreciated if I'm wrong.