Post ApmBaCHCI5sp2XM5T6 by justafrog@mstdn.social
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(DIR) Post #AplybKFgp9mYf4rFz6 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-01-05T13:10:19Z
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History for Granite is an interesting channel. Basically Douglas Rennie is a self-educated enthusiast for the history of the great #pyramids and their construction. As another amateur, I want to take issue with an assertion he makes in this video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5Qe7xDf_ksBasically he sees hoarder-level accumulations of jars of food and provisions in mastabas as evidence of "fear" -- that wealthy Egyptians feared they wouldn't have enough in the afterlife. I don't know if I agree.#AncientEgypt
(DIR) Post #Aplyxdb7ZtgD22WOtk by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-01-05T13:14:22Z
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To me these jars remind me of how when there is a funeral everyone brings food for the family. Presumably because they are grieving and to save them from the work of cooking, but if you've seen the heaps of food it's something more than that. The food and flowers are a visual symbol of how much the dead person is missed and loved. Or when there is a tragedy in a city and at the location of the tragedy people heap up flowers, and candles and cards... it's a tangible expression of love.
(DIR) Post #Aplz7yu5Daic0TK5wm by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-01-05T13:16:10Z
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How much will this person be missed? How deep is our sorrow? Look at this huge stack of jars of honey and wine, look at the bolts of cloth and beautiful objects that mean NOTHING next to the grief of so many people. IDK. "fear of running out" just isn't the first thing that comes to mind for me. But, obviously only by studying the culture and the graves can we learn more.
(DIR) Post #AplzpCppIVirfLwXOC by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-01-05T13:24:01Z
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But even today at big funerals it's common to see statements such as "please do NOT bring flowers or gifts, if you would like to make a gesture to show your respects please donate to *** charity..."The very human urge to bring a nice thing, ideally something you made yourself with care and compassion is very real. People have a *need* to bring things and give them. That's what I see in the heaps of jars and food.
(DIR) Post #Apm007WPONS4NB45c8 by davep@infosec.exchange
2025-01-05T13:25:51Z
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@futurebird It seems a very subjective assertion on his part. Does he have any actual information to back it up?
(DIR) Post #Apm06k9weQgxwWiSA4 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-01-05T13:27:10Z
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When I think about the original Egyptian idea of the mastaba: a literal house for the dead. I find it a little seductive. Not that I want to be buried in one... but the idea that there could be a place where I could go and visit the people who are gone forever and that this place could be like an ordinary house as I might have met them in life. With chairs and tables and kitchen sink all made of stone. It soften the pain of them being gone in an obvious natural way. It "makes sense" to me.
(DIR) Post #Apm0HXoqs7vCr804Iq by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-01-05T13:29:09Z
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@davep Not much more than I do. Although, it's not all that important to his better supported points about construction. It's a weakness in how he comes at the subject IMO. But not a damning one.
(DIR) Post #Apm0dxrkiA9i0e30nw by Em@lsbt.me
2025-01-05T13:33:06Z
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@futurebird I would love to get a funeral gift of some wheat or some good mead to have in the afterlife. Hell, maybe I could bring it to the afterlife party as a gift for the other ancestors :D
(DIR) Post #Apm1082vXfV7xBqKyu by CatDragon@mastodon.world
2025-01-05T13:37:10Z
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@futurebird I agree with you. Cooking is a love language and that covered dish expresses what we often have difficulty putting into words.
(DIR) Post #Apm3TQukfZfMmK7WMa by sbourne@mastodon.social
2025-01-05T14:04:53Z
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@futurebird Have you read about "wind phones"? Very similar concept - just hanging out with the one you miss.
(DIR) Post #Apm3wlACSkFNyhKWqO by sbourne@mastodon.social
2025-01-05T14:07:21Z
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@futurebird Here's a nice place to start: https://mstdn.social/@redcrew/113719099538193866
(DIR) Post #Apm7IsRiMnzgnVlD1s by rayhindle@mastodon.social
2025-01-05T14:47:42Z
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@futurebird I always understood the food and drink in the Pyramids was for sustenance on the journey to the next life, not for consumption in the next life! (If that sentence makes any sense at all!)
(DIR) Post #ApmBaCHCI5sp2XM5T6 by justafrog@mstdn.social
2025-01-05T15:35:45Z
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@futurebird Some cultures keep the dead.Like, at home.Logically, I understand why that's soothing, but wow do I not want to ever do that.Others take the deceased out of the crypt every so often, to make sure they're still included.Again, so very not my thing.A good example of people living with the dead are the Toraja, who live on Sulawesi.
(DIR) Post #ApmBt5jipXUKG6hu0O by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-01-05T15:39:12Z
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@justafrog People have urns of ashes on their mantles. It's not THAT odd.
(DIR) Post #ApmCWnmgzkk2AH22Rk by justafrog@mstdn.social
2025-01-05T15:46:21Z
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@futurebird It does kinda throw me when someone's talking about getting new clothes for their dad, a year after the funeral.
(DIR) Post #ApmDDC8WqPihr1SaLA by PeterLG@theblower.au
2025-01-05T15:53:14Z
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@justafrogI like to check up on my ancestors in their various tombs occasionally.Not because I'm sentimental. I just want to make sure they're still bloody in there!@futurebird
(DIR) Post #ApmDDDB2yXKR57e6u8 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-01-05T15:54:00Z
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@PeterLG @justafrog I wouldn't stay there. I would go and cause trouble if nobody checked on me. Count on it!
(DIR) Post #ApmDN0gEIHwNDbu5HU by grrrr_shark@supervolcano.angryshark.eu
2025-01-05T15:55:46Z
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@futurebird @PeterLG @justafrog Oh, if there is an afterlife? I'm gonna be the ultimate grumpy troll. I LOOK FORWARD TO IT
(DIR) Post #ApmH2zYVAJWpku00AK by tipjip@bonn.social
2025-01-05T16:36:57Z
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@futurebirdI don't care where I am going to be buried. But having a plaque with my name on a bench in a park or in the woods would be nice. A place for people to rest and remember.