Post ApSTjg8q2NPB3rMjia by drgeraint@glasgow.social
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 (DIR) Post #ApSR7PF0E1GXjTs60e by iju@mastodon.social
       2024-12-26T23:46:08Z
       
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       @StopTheSweepsPDX @jgg @petergleick As I recall, it wasn't NATO membership, but agreement with EU.Later joining NATO became impossible as NATO doesn't take members with disputed areas such as Crimea.And Russia has publicly talked with several mouths about restoring lands belonging to Soviet Union, or even to Russian Empire. Flying planes over those areas is rather standard. Understandable if no land wants to face that alone.
       
 (DIR) Post #ApSR7QCudHBijHtwOG by drgeraint@glasgow.social
       2024-12-27T02:55:27Z
       
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       @iju @StopTheSweepsPDX @jgg @petergleick The invasion of Ukraine wasn't about NATO or the EU. It was about Putin, and Russia. There is no justification for this war crime, this unjustified act of aggression. It is Putin, not international organisations that are responsible for this.
       
 (DIR) Post #ApSRkq3WShrKBuIx4C by drgeraint@glasgow.social
       2024-12-27T03:02:44Z
       
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       @StopTheSweepsPDX @jgg @petergleick The purpose of NATO is to be a force that can resist Russian aggression. The invasion of Ukraine clearly demonstrates the need for it.
       
 (DIR) Post #ApSSNoebbl4D8YEgIC by drgeraint@glasgow.social
       2024-12-27T03:09:45Z
       
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       @StopTheSweepsPDX @jgg @petergleick MAYBE if Russia didn't habitually invade neighbouring countries, there wouldn't be a need for NATO. If only.
       
 (DIR) Post #ApSTHNPq49DIsMp23s by iju@mastodon.social
       2024-12-27T03:19:51Z
       
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       @drgeraint @StopTheSweepsPDX @jgg @petergleick Stating reasons for war isn't the same as accepting them as justified.
       
 (DIR) Post #ApSTI2dknJhojOeDwW by vik@mastodon.nzoss.nz
       2024-12-27T03:20:00Z
       
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       @petergleickNot in doubt about that since the time a year or so ago when three western ammunition manufacturing facilities spontaneously combusted in the space of a few weeks.@donkey
       
 (DIR) Post #ApSTjg8q2NPB3rMjia by drgeraint@glasgow.social
       2024-12-27T03:24:59Z
       
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       @iju @StopTheSweepsPDX @jgg @petergleick The reasons never matter. War is wrong, but when it starts, winning is all.
       
 (DIR) Post #ApSWYr0BcMttQBqgcK by iju@mastodon.social
       2024-12-27T03:56:37Z
       
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       @drgeraint Rather horrible history class if it's just a list of events without relations explained.
       
 (DIR) Post #ApSzoQP7AoJcEXHmhE by donkey@mastodon.nz
       2024-12-27T09:24:19Z
       
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       @vik @petergleick Oh - missed that happening!
       
 (DIR) Post #ApTsES238cu2KvMAb2 by vik@mastodon.nzoss.nz
       2024-12-27T19:34:13Z
       
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       @donkeyYeah, not headline news for some reason. Just before Xmas one went up in Turkey as well. BAE in the UK went up in April as did the US Hornady primers.Olin (Winchester) went up in June. The list continues.@petergleick
       
 (DIR) Post #ApTtw3ZPY2hZAIJl32 by vik@mastodon.nzoss.nz
       2024-12-27T19:53:17Z
       
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       @donkeyYou notice all this when you try to buy ammo. When supplies come in there's a lot of emails sent!@petergleick
       
 (DIR) Post #ApTvkjApF1zid4Xlcu by donkey@mastodon.nz
       2024-12-27T20:13:37Z
       
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       @vik @petergleick Fascinating!
       
 (DIR) Post #ApWOEJwNduz8Ja5CVM by drgeraint@glasgow.social
       2024-12-29T00:41:32Z
       
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       @StopTheSweepsPDX @jgg @petergleick "Into the stone age" is hardly an accurate representation, but the NATO airstrikes were because of the war crimes, genocide and ethnic cleansing that were being conducted in the region by Serbian forces. Having seen the UN fail to properly protect Bosnia and Croatia, NATO took action to protect people in Kosovo from Milosovic.
       
 (DIR) Post #ApY42QD6YhYAW8wwWe by jgg@qoto.org
       2024-12-26T22:17:24Z
       
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       @StopTheSweepsPDX @petergleick Euh... I totally opposed to US invasion of Irak, but your tooth is a total offtopic here.Yeah, Irak invasion had not nearly enough justification, and Putin has given much more reasons for retaliation than Hussein did. But what are you arguing for? A NATO invasion of Russia?About precedents: obviously, you are not a history major.
       
 (DIR) Post #ApY42Rq8V4MjZUDd0C by m0xee@social.librem.one
       2024-12-29T20:05:13Z
       
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       @jgg @StopTheSweepsPDX @petergleick It's not offtopic, it typical whataboutism. Besides, "wanted the oil" is a load of horseshit that has been debunked time and time again. The list of oil companies operating in Iraq is public: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_industry_in_Iraq#Service_contracts_licensing_resultsLook who's there — Russia, a vocal critic of "US imperialism", and China! Their revenues is in the same ballpark than that of US companies. Did US do it for the right of Chinese companies to work there? Makes no sense!