Post AoiQrvOLRCxGIFU2e8 by novenary@akko.wtf
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(DIR) Post #AoiNjDLmzxwJWTRXeK by novenary@akko.wtf
2024-12-04T21:39:17.846658Z
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hot take but x86 is okay actually
(DIR) Post #AoiNjFpHnGirCXG7u4 by novenary@akko.wtf
2024-12-04T21:39:56.121219Z
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i am not going to elaborate
(DIR) Post #AoiNmQ9bqrRI6KH7nE by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2024-12-04T21:41:27.710167Z
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@novenary x86 alone meh, x86-pc yeah, that stuff is noice.
(DIR) Post #AoiNx7q4HsLSU0EtWK by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2024-12-04T21:43:24.508026Z
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@novenary And sometimes I wish VIA would still make x86 boxes so I could avoid the Intel/AMD stuff.
(DIR) Post #AoiOBnryoYa2tS8Gq8 by navi@social.vlhl.dev
2024-12-04T21:42:44.117271Z
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@lanodan @novenary i've never actually learnt the (or knew there was a) difference
(DIR) Post #AoiOBpAny3EUw7wooy by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2024-12-04T21:46:02.317949Z
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@navi @novenary For me the difference is that x86 alone as an ISA like you have on the worthless if it's not PC-compatible, like the PS4 is as much a pain to get anything to boot as like Nintendo DS.Like how for me ARM is basically worthless because it's a pure pain to get anything to boot on it.
(DIR) Post #AoiOFvUQQPqjgX54fQ by novenary@akko.wtf
2024-12-04T21:46:32.904207Z
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@navi @lanodan I mean just look at marcan's PS4 talk for example, good example of something with an x86 processor that's very much not a PC
(DIR) Post #AoiOGqoxGl8jUi7m52 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2024-12-04T21:46:58.130328Z
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@novenary @navi heh same reference :D
(DIR) Post #AoiORVY8hBRYhyLB8i by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2024-12-04T21:48:53.994003Z
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@navi @novenary Which is also why for riscv I waited until I saw a board with complete enough mainlining.And that ended up being the VisionFive2: https://rvspace.org/en/project/JH7110_Upstream_Plan
(DIR) Post #AoiQrvOLRCxGIFU2e8 by novenary@akko.wtf
2024-12-04T22:03:14.959999Z
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@lanodan @navi I'll be honest, I'm completely uninterested in risc-von its own the ISA has like zero merits and there is no reason to believe it's going to change the situation wrt all the other peripherals requiring proprietary firmware and all that crap so it's literally just a worse ARM right now
(DIR) Post #AoiQrwXFBbfRq8ef9k by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2024-12-04T22:16:04.220200Z
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@novenary @navi I personally don't care much about the ISA, after all I just write C or even higher-level and all I've ever used assembly for is debugging.That said the open-hardware part effectively allows manufacturers to make reasonably open-hardware machines.While with x86-pc well, thanks to some patents having expired I guess you could have clones of like an AMD Opteron… how retro.And it has been partially forced open on the PC side of things, in part due to IBM BIOS getting entirely reversed-engineered.While let's be real, ARM is basically all closed down and OS support is so bad you're typically stuck to the vendor's fork of fastboot/u-boot & linux.
(DIR) Post #AoiV3NabL6mKkUvy2y by novenary@akko.wtf
2024-12-04T22:44:40.869164Z
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@lanodan @navi the big problem is, even setting patents that only affect the ISA aside, there's a whole bunch of patents on all the design patterns that make a fast/high performance CPU core so I don't really see risc-v cores having a real chance of competingin that regard, something like POWER is better placed, having fully (or almost fully) open firmware and actually being fast, but sadly it is ridiculously expensive and distro support is not there at all
(DIR) Post #AoiV3OF0ur6YlpqF2O by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2024-12-04T23:02:55.171973Z
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@novenary @navi Yeah, likely won't get fast CPUs (even without the patents part) but like for embedded and low-power stuff?Likely more than enough, at least pretty sure I could use my VisionFive2 as a router while currently I use a PC Engine APU6 (so x86-pc) for this because it allows me to run my OS of choice painlessly, unlike basically all other routers out there that are stuck to OpenWRT at best.Same kind of ideas for NAS and low-power personal servers.Meanwhile ppc and sparc are stuck to well… something I'd kind of call mainframes and minicomputers, libre software support for them is of course going to be awful because they're not going to pay +2K USD for a test machine.