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(DIR) Post #AoejgErqK4AniaaBWq by interfluidity@zirk.us
2024-12-03T03:28:07Z
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Suppose (inspire by recent Trumpery) that Canada, Mexico, and the United States were going to merge. One of the three existing Federal governments would incorporate the other countries states or provinces. The other two governments would be unwound. Which government would you favor to govern the combined territory?
(DIR) Post #Aof3ghyo58j35kLDWq by interfluidity@zirk.us
2024-12-03T07:12:17Z
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@lunch but my Mexican friend says “not Mexico!” and as an American, i can’t at the moment recommend our state…
(DIR) Post #Aof8JDCSqz78jyLRRI by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2024-12-03T08:04:03Z
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@interfluidity @lunch What does your mexican friend say about "least amount of concentration camp-like structures"? Something i missed?
(DIR) Post #Aof9WNBt7TXlRdumVk by interfluidity@zirk.us
2024-12-03T08:17:39Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @lunch things aren’t always golden for migrants there (some trying to transit to the US) either. but i don’t think that’s my friend’s main source of dissatisfaction with the Mexican state.
(DIR) Post #Aof9wFg9fep5g0PbNY by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2024-12-03T08:21:10Z
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@interfluidity @lunch Migrants are not exactly what i had in mind. Canada and the US are not treating the native people well, and for both i rather regularly get news that the problems don't stop. Canada more with clearing their habitations for infrastructure, US more about denying them water. But i never heard of anything similar in Mexico, while the main problem i do hear about (drug mafia fights) seems strongly connected to US action.
(DIR) Post #AofAdP0WrZYh3pW91E by interfluidity@zirk.us
2024-12-03T08:30:08Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @lunch lots to discuss about indigenous affairs in both the US and Canada, but nothing remotely resembling concentration camps for them in either place. there are unwelcome correlations of socioeconomic status, and disputes that emerge from the strange netherworld of working to maintain distinct nations within nations. (so things like water rights, heavily contested across the West, carry a more sinister valence.)
(DIR) Post #AofBFjieJ2d0IiQvey by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2024-12-03T08:37:02Z
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@interfluidity @lunch I do admit i overextended the word here, but there does seem death and suffering involved. I find "reservation" to be no less misleading, rather more so. Interestingly, the news about canada seem a lot more grim than the US lately.
(DIR) Post #AofBqF3THGv1uca0nY by interfluidity@zirk.us
2024-12-03T08:43:40Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @lunch “reservation” is an artifact of that awkward nation-within-a-nation status. it is not a location of confinement. it reflects a continuing aspiration, in theory backed by legal force, to a degree of self determination and autonomy that is often bitterly unmet in practice. nevertheless, no individual is detained on a reservation. only a desire to maintain + live among a distinct community, or the pull of history and family, might bind a person there.
(DIR) Post #AofC57ZFOkAn2AXPKi by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2024-12-03T08:44:47Z
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@interfluidity @lunch Yes, it is a different beast. I'm sorry for my bad word choice.
(DIR) Post #AofCGuRk0XW3oZeEca by interfluidity@zirk.us
2024-12-03T08:48:24Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @lunch no. i suspect the awkwardness of the word reservation tempts that interpretation, so it’s fine to have a dialogue that clarifies it.
(DIR) Post #AofEy29FRrdu3sgmP2 by settima@zirk.us
2024-12-03T09:18:40Z
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@interfluidity We've always at war with Eurasia.
(DIR) Post #AofF35c7zRisG5blNA by interfluidity@zirk.us
2024-12-03T09:19:36Z
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@settima it's just sometimes with the Eur part and sometimes with the Asia.
(DIR) Post #AofFGDardKNOltHFPk by settima@zirk.us
2024-12-03T09:21:58Z
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@interfluidity Sometimes even with the East one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_geography_of_Nineteen_Eighty-Four
(DIR) Post #AofISCH6f5A81FRIJc by Polititunes@mastodon.social
2024-12-03T09:57:44Z
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@interfluidity have to go with Mexico. 🇲🇽 I’ve been all over that country. I’d like to do it again, compare the differences from 93 to now. I’d make notes.
(DIR) Post #AogvVwiOXsdEI1wRpw by scott@carfree.city
2024-12-04T04:50:05Z
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@interfluidity didn't see this in time but would have voted Mexico for sure
(DIR) Post #Aoh4TRZMGyduhXb2rQ by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2024-12-04T06:30:23Z
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@interfluidity Hey, they misunderstood your poll and only included canada: > Trump then suggested to Trudeau that Canada become the 51st state, which caused the prime minister and others to laugh nervously, sources told Fox News. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-suggests-canada-become-51st-state-after-trudeau-said-tariff-would-kill-economy-sources
(DIR) Post #Aoh6BYRiAOeWizcKps by interfluidity@zirk.us
2024-12-04T06:49:43Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven (this was the mess that inspired the poll.)
(DIR) Post #Aoh6qZ3ApD1yTIh996 by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2024-12-04T06:56:47Z
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@interfluidity Oooh Say, it speaks of "killing the canadian economy", but what i wonder is: what is the US actually importing? There has to be some impact if those goods no longer arrive.
(DIR) Post #AohCIndOh60taCvAyO by interfluidity@zirk.us
2024-12-04T07:58:14Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven yes. there would be a ton of impact. automotive and construction supply chains would be a mess.