Post AoWON44MapIiQNm8PY by paulhellyer@mastodon.nz
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(DIR) Post #AoWNI6ajgk9MqQzMQa by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-29T02:39:25Z
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"What does partnership look like? If David Seymour is wrong and if you're right and the Treaty is a partnership... how does that functionally work? How do we govern a sovereign country if Treaty is a partnership?"#DamienGrant, 2024 https://omny.fm/shows/the-working-group/politics-and-rugby-a-good-mix-guests-gareth-hughesFinally, ACT supporters are starting to ask the right questions. Obviously there are many possible answers and exploring them is where we need to focus the debate.#podcasts #Rover #TheWorkingGroup #TeTiritiOWaitangi #TreatyPrinciplesBill
(DIR) Post #AoWON44MapIiQNm8PY by paulhellyer@mastodon.nz
2024-11-29T02:51:31Z
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@strypey Agreed. And arguably that is exactly what we have been working through these past 50 years since the establishment of the Waitangi Tribunal. There is no real definitive end point either - it is not a maths problem to be solved. It's a way of working that constantly evolves and changes as circumstances do. Honouring the Treaty is/should be very much a work in progress.
(DIR) Post #AoWOnMHrTycESGcvke by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-29T02:56:19Z
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I have to say that based on Gareth Hughes' responses to Damien, and Willy Jackson's on The Working Group last week, they were not expecting this issue to become a serious constitutional debate so soon. Perhaps they think Damien is asking trick questions, and that is a rhetorical device he uses at times.But I suspect the size and diversity of the Hīkoi caught ACT by surprise, they've realised they're on a hiding to nowhere. So principled conservatives like Damien are genuinely keen for answers.
(DIR) Post #AoWUDK9EYeXH7WnAES by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-29T03:57:02Z
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(1/2)I broadly agree with all of this @paulhellyer. Which is all I can really do, since they're very broad statements. But see the second post. TBH I don't think that 'carry on with BaU' is the right answer to the questions Damien is asking either.
(DIR) Post #AoWUDPdu832YA6BEES by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-29T03:57:02Z
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(2/2)I know Labour aren't on board with this (yet). But if we take seriously the fact that whānau, hapū and iwi never ceded sovereignty, we're obliged to have a serious constitutional discussion about multi-sovereignty governance.Like the one Ani Mikaere was pointing to in her Bruce Jesson Memorial Lecture;https://www.brucejesson.com/ani-mikaere-2004-are-we-all-new-zealanders-now-a-maori-response-to-the-pakeha-quest-for-indigeneity/.. and which the late Moana Jackson et al started to explore in depth in the Matike Mai reports;https://matikemai.maori.nz/news/launch-of-matike-mai-aotearoa-website-launched/
(DIR) Post #AoWYsHBSsm6FcKcPR2 by paulhellyer@mastodon.nz
2024-11-29T04:49:10Z
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@strypey Ah, I see. Yes, I understand better now. (Mastodon doesn't 'do' threading very well at all. Or at least not for me!) Certainly when you listen to Te Pati Māori in Parliament they are proposing something much more radical and far-reaching than 'BAU'.
(DIR) Post #AoX1tg9mPuXC1sqr8S by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-29T10:14:26Z
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@paulhellyer> Mastodon doesn't 'do' threading very well at allAgreed. Hopefully improvements are on the horizon there. But usually if you click on a post, you will at least see posts by the same person posted as part of a thread.> Te Pati Māori in Parliament they are proposing something much more radical and far-reaching than 'BAU'I'm with them on this. See my recent comment on that post by No Right Turn.