Post AoVMoByCvrODgFkAkq by mavica_again@computerfairi.es
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(DIR) Post #AoUQXBYlPUak8x1qGe by mavica_again@computerfairi.es
2024-11-27T20:00:51Z
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using computers in 2024 as someone who used to use computers in 2004 is extremely frustrating and depressing
(DIR) Post #AoUlqkHocTZANyGm3c by teajaygrey@snac.bsd.cafe
2024-11-28T05:50:59Z
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It wasn't always that way though.Heck, forget 2004, rewind back to 1994!@lispi314@udongein.xyzIn 1994, proprietary computers (e.g. Commodore Amigas, Silicon Graphics [if you, or more likely your school or maybe employer because those things were insanely expensive] as just a couple of vendors which come to mind) were still pretty friggin awesome!Linux existed in 1994 @IceWolf@masto.brightfur.net but Macs were worse than they are now. Windows was (and always has been, and always will be) a dumpster fire.IMHO, Linux seemed like absolute knock off trash when you could have been running IRIX or SunOS or heck if you were really esoteric and full on moneybags, you could still buy Symbolics Lisp Machine related stuff in 1994 (the UX1200 VMEBus Board for Suns was 1990, the MacIvory III Nubus Board for Apple Macintoshes was 1991 and if you were INSANELY rich [e.g. my first college only had one DEC Alpha] you could run Symbolics' Virtual Lisp Machine emulator under Tru64 for OpenGenera goodness).You weren't being spied on or manipulated for money by pretty much any of those proprietary vendors, amazingly.You had to worry more about vestiges of convicted monopoly AT&T RBOCs maybe doing log correlation for your phreaking (which, really almost never happened. I remember my first employer after I graduated from University in 1999 getting mag tapes mailed to them from SBC for trying to trace fraud; and that employer didn't have ANYTHING to read such tapes, because they were a start up from the 1990s, not some legacy backwater entrenched monopolistic legacy remnant with hardware going back to the 1950s and earlier).Candidly, while it still stinks that Commodore declared bankruptcy in 1994?Having an AGA Amiga around then and being online was a grand old time.AmiNet was, for that era, the largest online software repository to have ever existed!IRC? Was full of folks, well, full enough. People had a clue too! Some (e.g. @scanner@apricot.social) I probably first crossed paths with on EFNet in the early 1990s?Discord didn't exist.Even commercial networks (e.g. Prodigy, CompuServe) were basically trash as contrasted with what you could find via IRC, NNTP, FTP.The web? Had barely taken off. Nutscrape (sorry, Netscape) was just starting to gestate from the remnants of the much purer academia/research NCSA Mosiac, but if you happened to have access to a lab running NeXTSTEP on some 486 dx2 @ 66MHz that ran circles around an actual overpriced NeXT or dogshit slow NeXTstation Color Turbo? You could run something such as Omniweb and have a web experience that wasn't 100% garbage! (Probably still like, 80% garbage, but I remember one website with some anime still frames that if you scrolled at the right speed in Omniweb, almost looked as if they were animating! Almost!). Anyway, since the web was still barely a thing, that meant that the advertisers and SEO and such hadn't turned it into a total dumpster fire too.1994? Was it the apogee of personal computing? I dunno, but it was pretty close to that. I was not so fortunate, but a friend got an Amiga 4000/040 for xmas circa 1992 I think it was and his place seemed like the place to be. The kind of set up that made Doogie Howser, M.D. on TV with his Apple IIgs look like a chucklefuck chump. But that friend was way beyond 1337. Still is no doubt.1994 wasn't all sunshine and roses. NetBSD existed but that is also when Theo got ejected from core, though thankfully that brought the world OpenBSD, which eliminated so much of the low hanging fruit security holes that made UNIX systems better for compromising than they were to administer.Srsly though, in 1994 the vibes I had with an Amiga 1200, something like Terminus running, AmiTCP (a BSD derived TCP stack, natch), DeliTracker bumpin MODs, DiskMaster 2 (far more extensible than what web browsers were, from image displaying to hex editing and more) while running ncftp, telnet and more? Extremely good memories. Computing has rarely ever achieved that level of enjoyment before or since for me personally.2004? sigh SILC still seemed promising at least then, IMHO it still set a better high water mark for end to end encrypted realtime comms than anything before or since. 2004 we had OpenSSH too, we can keep that, please.Almost everything else online since 2004 has been consternation and damnation and I wouldn't mind seeing wiped out of existence. Almost.@mjdxp@labyrinth.zoneCC: @mavica_again@computerfairi.es
(DIR) Post #AoUlqlQiMsHLvrROZE by m0xee@social.librem.one
2024-11-28T08:05:18Z
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@teajaygrey @mjdxp @lispi314 @IceWolf @scanner @mavica_again > Tru64> 1991Something's off here 🤨
(DIR) Post #AoUlwzCu3caMOnwod6 by m0xee@social.librem.one
2024-11-28T08:06:27Z
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@mavica_again > frustratingMore like infuriating! 🤬
(DIR) Post #AoUpCXIdss54LEjqSG by teajaygrey@snac.bsd.cafe
2024-11-28T08:34:42Z
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The 1991 was in reference to the "MacIvory III Nubus Board for Apple Macintoshes" as gleaned from the Wikipedia page:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolics#Ivory_and_Open_Genera (specifically in the "Ivory Machines" table).But y'know, I already admitted I never owned such hardware personally. I am not going to nit pick the release dates.DEC Alpha wasn't released until 1992 I don't think? Presumably Tru64 came around the same time or later. I don't know. I could also never afford such things as also previously alluded. My first college in 1994 had a DEC Alpha (just one running Tru64 as far as I can recall. Maybe it had another running OpenVMS [yuck]?) I wasn't allowed to touch them personally, but I did see one with my own two eyes.I never used OpenGenera on such systems personally either, only under the AMD64 Linux/OS X emulation shim that someone wrote e.g. something like https://github.com/ynniv/vagrant-opengenera. (I don't remember vagrant being necessary/used either, so it was probably an earlier branch of similar code than that)
(DIR) Post #AoUpCYU1U2mK0p4Rpg by m0xee@social.librem.one
2024-11-28T08:42:52Z
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@teajaygrey Oh, don't worry, it was more of a joke 😅But if I were accurate, I think it was called Digital Unix at the time,I might still have some of its manuals on the bookshelves, it was renamed to Tru64 in the late nineties, some time circa 1998 IIRC
(DIR) Post #AoUptP8G7t71SkK5IG by teajaygrey@snac.bsd.cafe
2024-11-28T08:46:13Z
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Ah that's good to know (and does seem familiar) but again, if I ever accessed any such systems, it would have been remotely. In 1994 I had probably spent a lot more time in SunOS, IRIX, NeXT/NeXTSTEP and even Linux shells. Most of the DEC hardware I interacted with then (and even up through an employer I had as recently as 2006) was running OpenVMS on such things (eww).
(DIR) Post #AoUptQAmG0ikgqVbrE by m0xee@social.librem.one
2024-11-28T08:50:36Z
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@teajaygreyHa-ha-ha! Indeed, I still have a few of these artifacts of the long lost civilization 🤩
(DIR) Post #AoUrGuPa61jJ5YCGky by amerika@annihilation.social
2024-11-28T09:06:05.209903Z
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@teajaygrey @m0xee I miss the old VAXen.
(DIR) Post #AoUsiialjb5SUeFpE8 by amerika@annihilation.social
2024-11-28T09:22:18.850145Z
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@IceWolf @teajaygrey @lispi314 @scanner @mavica_again "If we didn't have the internet, we /would not have friends./"IMHO, this is not healthy.
(DIR) Post #AoUtFCJ0nNZBunR5A8 by amerika@annihilation.social
2024-11-28T09:28:11.248346Z
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@mavica_again Seems everything shifted to phones and computers got dumb
(DIR) Post #AoUtK0TcCd7Afygl3w by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
2024-11-28T09:28:54.740631Z
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@mavica_again Skill issue, stop sucking Microsoft cock.>trannyAh, right, yeah, there's the problem.
(DIR) Post #AoUvJENPEnhbP8Xg5A by amerika@annihilation.social
2024-11-28T09:51:12.239262Z
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@lispi314 @scanner @mavica_again @IceWolf @teajaygrey Not necessarily. You have friend networks from school, religion, culture, work, etc.
(DIR) Post #AoUvKg1Xvlh1RP0UVM by lispi314@udongein.xyz
2024-11-28T09:50:10.420794Z
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@amerika @teajaygrey @IceWolf @mavica_again @scanner Welcome to modern suburbia?
(DIR) Post #AoUvMC5MDEavARVrUm by amerika@annihilation.social
2024-11-28T09:51:51.817767Z
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@lispi314 @scanner @mavica_again @IceWolf @teajaygrey I appreciate what you are saying, which I read sa the notion that sprawl and diversity have kept people isolated emotionally from each other.No doubt everything has gotten worse, but I grew up in a sprawlzone.
(DIR) Post #AoUvjM4HGOycmw3HBA by lispi314@udongein.xyz
2024-11-28T09:55:20.791728Z
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@amerika @teajaygrey @IceWolf @mavica_again @scanner The sprawl part.Anti-pedestrian car-centric suburbs with no meetings spots of any sort or any amenities that support really existing outside of one's home/fenced-backyard.Sure in theory one could have community but... that requires sharing a third space, and those have been greatly reduced.
(DIR) Post #AoUvlcWT3YiCOuJlYW by amerika@annihilation.social
2024-11-28T09:56:25.017754Z
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@lispi314 @scanner @mavica_again @IceWolf @teajaygrey Property taxes make this much worse because every space must be monetized.IMHO this is why people invented churches, libraries, etc in the first place.
(DIR) Post #AoUvmv89MIOAOwYzOi by lispi314@udongein.xyz
2024-11-28T09:53:05.792355Z
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@amerika @teajaygrey @IceWolf @mavica_again @scanner Eh, one easy loses contact with most or all of those, if they ever truly qualified as friends.As for work, one's coworkers are not one's friends (hypothetically some can be, yes) and it can be very risky to try that (backstabbing corporate culture is a special kind of fun⸮).
(DIR) Post #AoUvqRPjmjzNOcT74q by amerika@annihilation.social
2024-11-28T09:57:17.122393Z
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@lispi314 @scanner @mavica_again @IceWolf @teajaygrey No, one's coworkers are not one's friends, but you can find friends among the best of them!Same way you wouldn't befriend everyone at a church, synagogue, mosque, ashram, or temple of lucifer. You pick the people you like.
(DIR) Post #AoVA5oVnaacQjbWnrs by HMLivy@dobbs.town
2024-11-28T12:36:58Z
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@mavica_again That's true even for someone who was using computers back in 1974 (do you know what punch cards were?).My mantra for today's computers is:Stop trying to help me! You're only slowing me down!
(DIR) Post #AoVKp5ol5n1wyqcrRI by dxzdb@mastodon.social
2024-11-28T14:37:08Z
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@HMLivy @mavica_again I’ve heard stories of people dropping boxes of cards. Thankfully my biggest stack fit in my hand - and I never dropped it. I don’t miss the whole computer crashes of the times before MacOS X
(DIR) Post #AoVLrjrVHOi3i0jeAS by lispi314@udongein.xyz
2024-11-28T10:51:36.964320Z
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@amerika @teajaygrey @IceWolf @mavica_again @scanner Yes and no, depending on whether you tax property or land. For example, if land was actually taxed meaningfully, sprawling parking lots would essentially cease to exist because they'd be too much of a cost sink.The entire car-centric paradigm would crumble because it's built on inefficient use of land.And from there, it's not so hard to build community spaces above or below something else that can actually survive its costs. A community center or train station renting out stalls while providing free (or token fee, whatever) "cultural activities" spaces groups could register or use.
(DIR) Post #AoVLrlI7xtbI8sCQIy by tryst@fedi.imu.li
2024-11-28T14:41:09.188343Z
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@lispi314 @amerika @scanner @mavica_again @IceWolf @teajaygrey Also land taxation systems don’t need to tax public places - indeed the underlying theory of land value taxes is that you’re taxing land because it has been removed from communal access.
(DIR) Post #AoVLtZ4AOAyuo0Wr5s by amerika@annihilation.social
2024-11-28T14:49:13.475713Z
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@tryst @scanner @mavica_again @IceWolf @teajaygrey @lispi314 All property taxes are destructive; you force all properties to be monetized, creating rent-seeking behavior.The same is true of taxes generally.
(DIR) Post #AoVMQgwk6xUgnmqvgm by amerika@annihilation.social
2024-11-28T14:55:12.613075Z
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@lispi314 @scanner @mavica_again @IceWolf @teajaygrey The problem is inherent to all taxes: you force monetization.The more we use them to manipulate, the worse the problem gets.Today the objective is to equalize the poor; maybe tomorrow it is to stop parking lots.I don't agree with either because the costs are passed down to consumers. Abolish taxes as much as possible, create a value-for-money society.
(DIR) Post #AoVMV2MERmiaMjqaGW by amerika@annihilation.social
2024-11-28T14:55:59.644508Z
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@lispi314 @scanner @mavica_again @IceWolf @teajaygrey Also the car-centric paradigm arose with diversity. Otherwise, White people drove station cars.
(DIR) Post #AoVMkES9l5B2DtrcHY by mavica_again@computerfairi.es
2024-11-28T14:50:05Z
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@amerika the phones aren't much better if you see the previous posts!
(DIR) Post #AoVMm8csOVrijJmqNE by amerika@annihilation.social
2024-11-28T14:59:05.338070Z
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@mavica_again I think they're worse! They're awkward and apparently humanity forgot everything it learned about interfaces since the 1960s.
(DIR) Post #AoVMoByCvrODgFkAkq by mavica_again@computerfairi.es
2024-11-28T14:56:17Z
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@amerika @scanner @IceWolf @teajaygrey @lispi314 hi please untag me from this conversation
(DIR) Post #AoVN05TuslfN21FP04 by amerika@annihilation.social
2024-11-28T15:01:36.498197Z
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@IceWolf @teajaygrey @lispi314 @scanner @mavica_again Culture was valuable. It turns out that we could only have it with a dominant WASP population. That's what made the 1990s different.