Post AoUXEJxqdZj4O2iIhE by interfluidity@zirk.us
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(DIR) Post #AoUV92z88fNYN0feQy by seachanger@alaskan.social
2024-11-28T04:45:48Z
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one thing I’m reading an uncomfortable amount of on bsky are comments dismissing the possibility of multiracial economic populism — many people want this to be a binary, like if you’re about economic equality you’re a racist. saw a man actually be like ‘fuck even the idea of unions because they’re all going to trump’ ngl I’m feeling sad about this. it’s not good
(DIR) Post #AoUV94IJGqJaQmeTy4 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-28T04:58:01Z
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@seachanger> saw a man actually be like ‘fuck even the idea of unions because they’re all going to trump’Urghh. Middle class neoliberals are the worst. They think working people owe fealty their preferred party, even when that party spits in their faces on a regular basis. Attitudes like this are precisely *why* organised labour is now keeping the Democrats at arm's length. If they want support from working people and their organisation, it has to go both ways.
(DIR) Post #AoUV95hW2c4UnFS7tY by seachanger@alaskan.social
2024-11-28T04:51:00Z
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overall I’m sad when I see us losing ground with solidarity as things deteriorate around us
(DIR) Post #AoUVXro0q9vswCJ0Gu by paninid@mastodon.world
2024-11-28T05:02:25Z
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@strypey @seachanger #GeorgeCarlinWasRight #InaniLudibrio #PosterArt
(DIR) Post #AoUVbb7Uorm2LWCKDA by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-28T05:03:13Z
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@seachanger> I’m sad when I see us losing ground with solidarity as things deteriorate around usMe too, but this is hardly a new problem. Identity replaced solidarity for much of "the left" years ago. Arguably, this began as a defensive measure against mass movements like Alter-globalization, and the global peace protests in the late nineties/ early noughties, and intensified after the anti-austerity mobilisations of the Indignados, Occupy, etc.
(DIR) Post #AoUVntB3VZO7pDivYG by seachanger@alaskan.social
2024-11-28T05:05:25Z
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@strypey yep. Hillary Clinton also pump a bunch of money into weaponizing identity in 2016, I don’t know that we have come to grips with how damaging that was at least in the US
(DIR) Post #AoUWHuX32HkmiLKGhc by sri@mastodon.social
2024-11-28T04:54:00Z
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@seachanger they are going to Trump because they are uneducated. I mean we are talking about people who don't even understand tariffs.
(DIR) Post #AoUWHvJy6OsxA4DKxE by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-28T05:10:51Z
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@sri> they are going to Trump because they are uneducatedSee;https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/113558806985228972> I mean we are talking about people who don't even understand tariffsI suspect they understand tariffs better than the neoliberals who cosplay as part of "the left". As recently as the early 2000s, huge coalitions of the left were protesting the dismantling of tariffs;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_justice_movementYou know who benefits most from that dismantling? Multinational corporations and their owners.@seachanger
(DIR) Post #AoUWTrz0L5PCHd6Yee by scott@carfree.city
2024-11-28T05:06:41Z
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@seachanger you can't let yourself feel sad about the mere existence of a bad take online. it will always be the case.
(DIR) Post #AoUWTsUCT6MJqNhTHM by seachanger@alaskan.social
2024-11-28T05:09:32Z
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@scott you’re right. after a few days of reading replies I’m just noticing a real trend and realizing how many people really have internalized that divisive messaging. it hurts me wahhhhhh 😩
(DIR) Post #AoUWTswYlf2nGKy7U0 by scott@carfree.city
2024-11-28T05:11:08Z
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@seachanger i wonder how many people are being paid to spread that anti-solidarity narrative. very convenient one for the wealthy
(DIR) Post #AoUWTtQgxd9Aln4BRw by interfluidity@zirk.us
2024-11-28T05:13:05Z
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@scott @seachanger solidarity can’t hold a candle to well-targeted messaging crafted by extravagantly paid consultants.
(DIR) Post #AoUWdINJaDr0k8yDcu by scott@carfree.city
2024-11-28T05:14:47Z
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@interfluidity @seachanger we better figure out a way it can
(DIR) Post #AoUXCdWyuyRMUbLNNg by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-28T05:21:04Z
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@scott> i wonder how many people are being paid to spread that anti-solidarity narrativeBS, like Titter and FarceBook, is much more vulnerable to this kind of weaponisation than the fediverse. Where people spreading anti-worker narratives have to join specific servers, and we can see which server they're on, and weight posts from people using that server accordingly.> very convenient one for the wealthy100%@seachanger
(DIR) Post #AoUXEJxqdZj4O2iIhE by interfluidity@zirk.us
2024-11-28T05:21:30Z
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@scott @seachanger i mean, it can. all that messaging actually doesn’t produce very much light.but extravagantly paid consultants and others whose interests are not solidaristic devote most of their messaging to persuading people who fancy themselves smart and reason that it can’t.
(DIR) Post #AoUXP094fE3S6Z3c6S by sheilasmall@mastodon.world
2024-11-28T05:22:52Z
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@strypey @seachanger @paninid
(DIR) Post #AoUXbWY413864miWn2 by sheilasmall@mastodon.world
2024-11-28T05:25:24Z
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@strypey Seems to me that workers in the auto industry did quite well under the Biden administration. Are they not working people?
(DIR) Post #AoUY4xh2Ahgif5wxe4 by TheIdlestHand@c.im
2024-11-28T05:30:22Z
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@strypey @seachanger iirc Hamilton Nolan (who oughta know) mentioned unions voted mostly for Harris. The problem is more that there aren't enough union voters. What an infuriating fuckwit.
(DIR) Post #AoUau4bmQ7WamnzZHk by sy@mastodon.nz
2024-11-28T06:02:30Z
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@strypey @seachanger Could you say a bit about what you mean by this?Identity has played a part in left politics for a long time... Feminism, civil rights, etc. But during the alt-globalization movement the rallying cry was unity in diversity. Which was why you had a mix of peasant movements form the global south marching alongside European socialists and American anarchists among many other groups who historically haven't gotten on terribly well.Which seems quite different from today?
(DIR) Post #AoVUBH7ycck413GcvA by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-28T16:21:58Z
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@sheilasmall> Seems to me that workers in the auto industry did quite well under the Biden administration. Are they not working people?This question seems rhetorical to me. How about you deliver the lecture you're holding back, and then we'll have something to discuss.
(DIR) Post #AoWz3NsUvqION8hijY by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-29T09:42:32Z
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No further context? OK, I'll respond as best as I can to what you posted.@sheilasmall> Seems to me that workers in the auto industry did quite well under the Biden administrationThat's for those workers to determine. I don't work in the auto industry, do you?Given their decision not to have their union endorse Harris, I'm guessing they didn't think they did that well. Nor that they'd do better under Harris than Drumpf. Which is a searing indictment of Democrat industrial relations policy.
(DIR) Post #AoXJijJc8CctobNcx6 by sheilasmall@mastodon.world
2024-11-29T13:34:04Z
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@strypey Sorry, as devoted as I am to Mastodon I prioritized a couple of days for Thanksgiving. My original use of "working people" should have been italicized because I was quoting your term. The bottom line is that I don't believe industrial relations played that big a part. No matter which party did or might improve the salaries/working conditions cultural factors mean more than they have in decades. It boils down to "Thanks for the raise" but "I still fear DEI & immigrants & vaccinations."
(DIR) Post #AoXTf790apQC6QKm8G by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-29T15:25:36Z
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@sheilasmall > as devoted as I am to Mastodon I prioritized a couple of days for ThanksgivingFair enough, happy holidays. I see now that only a day had passed, I thought it was much longer. Dang my ADHD time distortions ; )
(DIR) Post #AoXTrLwVOnP9TRK0WG by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-29T15:27:45Z
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@sheilasmall> I don't believe industrial relations played that big a partI'm not sure why you think anything else would play a big part in a union's decisions about whether to endorse a candidate.> No matter which party did or might improve the salaries/working conditions cultural factors mean more than they have in decadesTo middle class people, for sure. To people living paycheck to paycheck, really?