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(DIR) Post #AoJaOCREJzPzG6XoTQ by samsethi@podcastindex.social
2024-11-22T22:09:47Z
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I was listening to my favourite show Podcasting 2.0 - see SuperFan table below - and I understood absolutely zero tonight!!! All I heard was blah blah Bolt12, blah blah lnurl, blah blah Strike, blah blah only Fountain, blah blah Nostr, blah blah Alby sucks #goodluck No mainstream user will A: care or B: jump through these tech hoops. C: KISS. TrueFans gives every user a wallet. We have one click top up via Apple/Google via Stripe. We use Ably Hub/API and pay over lightning. It works!
(DIR) Post #AoJaODTkS71iUCjL2O by samsethi@podcastindex.social
2024-11-22T22:20:22Z
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Yes §577,589 equals $571 - so don't tell me I don't love or support this show but I think the hosts are barking up the wrong tree. Good luck selling Strike, Invoices, Bolt 12, NWC, Nostr, KYC, UMA and LNURL to the mass market. I agree Programmable Money using Lightning + SATs is the future but its the underlying technology to enable splits, wallet switching and reverse SATs. etc. @james @russell @dave
(DIR) Post #AoJaOEdi8Yae5OOoCm by adam@podcastindex.social
2024-11-22T22:35:00Z
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@samsethi @james @russell @dave Disappointed you don't see what we see.We are in fact selling a solution not unlike paypal or cashapp. Once both those companies provide lightning payments with an OAuth api, we will have hundreds of millions of users ready to connect to their app. Mass market if you will.Truefans is also probably running afoul of money transmitter regulations, which is the entire reason LNPay and Alby dropped out and we are trying to solve this.
(DIR) Post #AoJaOIQk2ianqKMVXs by samsethi@podcastindex.social
2024-11-22T22:26:47Z
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@james @russell @dave On January 26th TrueFans wallet will still work with AlbyHub via their API. /cc @bumi
(DIR) Post #AoJb2W8YV7w7w92CS8 by adam@podcastindex.social
2024-11-22T22:42:18Z
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@samsethi @james @russell @dave https://notabene.id/world/united-kingdom
(DIR) Post #AoJb7Q7gHxrujSxnIO by samsethi@podcastindex.social
2024-11-22T22:43:12Z
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@adam @james @russell @dave I don't see what you see. I just see complexity which is failed simplicity. I have been a 110% advocate of podcasting 2.0 from day 1. So please don't question my support of your project. I support every tag from Podcasting 2.0 even some in Phase 8 already! Fountain, Podcast Guru and others support only half the tags we support. We have legally checked our position. We give a virtual wallet with virtual sats or tokens. We don't hold anyone's money.
(DIR) Post #AoJbHZYM59wisLHThQ by bumi@kosmos.social
2024-11-22T22:43:24Z
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@samsethi @james @russell @dave all Alby APIs work and continue to work... And a priority is to have a resilient setup but FUD seems to be preferred right now :)
(DIR) Post #AoJbHagXsC5kO27X6W by adam@podcastindex.social
2024-11-22T22:44:59Z
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@bumi @samsethi @james @russell @dave For podcasters, yes indeed. We said so clearly. For apps and listeners the barrier to entry is simply too high. That is Fact, not FUD
(DIR) Post #AoJbTxR96oVmQNoZ5U by adam@podcastindex.social
2024-11-22T22:47:15Z
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@samsethi @james @russell @dave Where did I question your support of the project?I'm happy you are covered legally.Not everyone who has an app can provide a hosted service like Truefans.
(DIR) Post #AoJbemfXU3imDKi2BE by cbrooklyn112@mk.spook.social
2024-11-22T22:46:58.039Z
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@adam@podcastindex.social @samsethi@podcastindex.social @james@bne.social @russell@podcastindex.social @dave@podcastindex.social when do we push back against governments regs? Eventually you will run out of loopholes. What happens when they go after Strike for some reason?
(DIR) Post #AoJbensgydpvyPs3Jw by adam@podcastindex.social
2024-11-22T22:49:13Z
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@cbrooklyn112 @dave @james @samsethi @russellThere are many bitcoin lobbying groups working on these very issues in DC for years. Support their efforts.
(DIR) Post #AoJc31aXfJmRR4vlYm by bumi@kosmos.social
2024-11-22T22:53:36Z
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@adam @samsethi @james @russell @dave You throw everything in one big pot and confuse everything and everybody. the result is FUD.
(DIR) Post #AoJe08uMC8LZB0x7SK by ericpp@podcastindex.social
2024-11-22T23:15:29Z
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@adam @bumi @samsethi @james @russell @dave The barrier is that it's no longer free. New users will probably go to the free options, like Fountain or Coinos. I think existing users will be split with some going to free options and others going to cloud-hosted Alby Hub or hosting it themselves.There's still a barrier to entry for all of these services with the KYC nonsense.
(DIR) Post #AoJeiFD087ktSYhc5g by adam@podcastindex.social
2024-11-22T23:23:28Z
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@ericpp @bumi @samsethi @james @russell @dave The barrier for mass of new users is getting BTC in the first place.
(DIR) Post #AoJerahVanBqiqQeWm by samsethi@podcastindex.social
2024-11-22T23:19:55Z
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@ericpp @adam @bumi @james @russell @dave We have by-passed the KYC nonsense with one click top up via Stripe. Our wallet is free. No end consumer will ever need an Alby Hub. That I agree is crazy. TrueFans as a business will pay for our Alby Hub. We use it as a payment solution. We manage the virtual wallets in our app. But we make payments from our Alby Hub over lightning to any other creators wallet.
(DIR) Post #AoJerbaSIV8tTG8XAm by ericpp@podcastindex.social
2024-11-22T23:20:41Z
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@samsethi @adam @bumi @james @russell @dave I still need to look into that integration. It seems too good to be true.
(DIR) Post #AoJercN1NvzTtsrJs8 by samsethi@podcastindex.social
2024-11-22T23:22:30Z
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@ericpp @adam @bumi @james @russell @dave which bit? Try using our wallet. Creat an account get some free SATs. Top via Apple/Googe pay. May any SATs boost or streaming payment to any podcast. We then make that transaction from our hub over lightning. Try it and please feedback.
(DIR) Post #AoJerdHjz3MQjnOcHQ by ericpp@podcastindex.social
2024-11-22T23:22:53Z
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@samsethi @adam @bumi @james @russell @dave I meant the Stripe integration and lack of KYC.
(DIR) Post #AoJereAgglJTUD6UvQ by adam@podcastindex.social
2024-11-22T23:25:08Z
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@ericpp @samsethi Sam says he's covered, but in the US this is an exchange business and requires kyc
(DIR) Post #AoJfEJAExWmWzghTn6 by samsethi@podcastindex.social
2024-11-22T23:29:15Z
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@adam @ericpp wrong. We take $10 from the user and we give them virtual SATs. We could/will call them TureFans Tokens. The user is buying Tokens not SATs. We top up our Alby Hub using our own money. We then see a user want to pay a podcaster with Virtual SATs or TureFans Tokens. We adjust their virtual wallet. This is purely a database accounting challenge. We then make a separate TrueFans Alby Hub payment over lightning to the wallet address. so the two parts are not connected.
(DIR) Post #AoJfOCymoCRohy40BM by bumi@kosmos.social
2024-11-22T23:31:02Z
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@adam @ericpp @samsethi @james @russell @dave That screenshot does not fit to your comment... In a Bitcoin wallet like Alby currently is one people hold Bitcoin. So they need and have Bitcoin, yes. Always has been like that.We'll get to higher-level solutions where this is hidden (kinda like @samsethi already does)(btw. in the EU we actually are now also able to have instant fiat topups with a simple bank transfer.)
(DIR) Post #AoJfi6zqlKWHwc3HA8 by russell@podcastindex.social
2024-11-22T23:34:38Z
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@adam @ericpp @bumi @samsethi @james @dave Adam out of all the players the only player that makes it simple to add sats is truefans - Sam has done an awesome job balancing the technology and the customer journey. The issue is the listeners don’t understand sats. They understand their local currency like $1. The tech bros understand the tech the norms don’t. I think you found that out from your church I believe?
(DIR) Post #AoJg529uuluDbKgsdc by adam@podcastindex.social
2024-11-22T23:38:46Z
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@samsethi @ericpp Not wrong in the USA as I stated. Transmitting money or virtual currencies on behalf of a third party is subject to regulation. This is the entire reason for the issues Alby and LNPay faced.
(DIR) Post #AoJg8jABTxBfqTZpLc by bumi@kosmos.social
2024-11-22T23:33:36Z
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@adam @ericpp @samsethi @james @russell @dave Now was it a mistake to write a price tag in Bitcoin and not USD on there. Maybe. Got mixed feedback so far, but we learned and adjust. Which means hosting will soon be denominated in USD on the website.People will still get a Bitcoin wallet and will still use that to pay.
(DIR) Post #AoJg8k3UALQIbzRzXs by adam@podcastindex.social
2024-11-22T23:39:27Z
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@bumi @ericpp @samsethi @james @russell @dave You can suggest they use Strike to buy sats ;-)
(DIR) Post #AoJga1lwP0kJNYFs6i by russell@podcastindex.social
2024-11-22T23:44:25Z
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@adam @samsethi @ericpp my understanding is it’s not an exchange business because.1) user buys Truefan Token. (That’s an app purchase non-refundable)2) TrueFans has the technology to pay creators on behalf of its users this is not a user wallet as the money belongs to truefans and not the listener. IMO.
(DIR) Post #AoJganGjoKJ6gg1d8S by bumi@kosmos.social
2024-11-22T23:44:33Z
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@adam @ericpp @samsethi @james @russell @dave You can change PC2.0 to use Strike.
(DIR) Post #AoJgfDxmVJXmdWGsGe by adam@podcastindex.social
2024-11-22T23:45:20Z
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@bumi @ericpp @samsethi @james @russell @dave My comment was in regards to @ericpp and mass adoption. If people need to get albyhub with sats they first need sats. It was about barriers for the masses. I am interested how topups from fiat to sats works I'm the EU. Are you able to accept those fiat payments and exchange them for sats? Is there an intermediary involved?
(DIR) Post #AoJgsy78EBGbXFCN84 by samsethi@podcastindex.social
2024-11-22T23:47:48Z
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@adam @bumi @ericpp @james @russell @dave Adam we agree no end user needs a AlbyHub. Opening a hub with channels is never a consumer solution. It is a B2B solution for apps. The fiat payments we receive are not for SATs.
(DIR) Post #AoJh0V1cGPL1dND3rs by adam@podcastindex.social
2024-11-22T23:49:11Z
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@bumi @ericpp @samsethi @james @russell @dave Exactly, and our proposal is that you can connect strike to your app to send payment ts to podcasters who use any lightning wallet that understands lnaddress including AlbyhubIts all the same protocols. People can choose whatever wallet they like to send and receive. One less step for new users, but not sovereign. That's where the education part comes in.
(DIR) Post #AoJhBO32XoYBBG4EIi by adam@podcastindex.social
2024-11-22T23:51:09Z
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@samsethi @bumi @ericpp @james @russell @dave Not all apps can or want to run a server. We always try to find solutions for the standalone apps out there, like Castamatic. Doesn't mean that our proposed solution is confusing or invalid.
(DIR) Post #AoJhKj3PoVskw5hCls by bumi@kosmos.social
2024-11-22T23:52:49Z
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@adam @ericpp @samsethi @james @russell @dave It's about barriers that Alby and many other projects are working on solving... Are we there, yet? Hell no. Will we get there? I am more than ever convinced that we will get there.(we all know the comparison to the internet, which is very true here.)Alby works with an exchange there. Users get an IBAN that they transfer money from the bank account to. Just as people always do. It's an instant sepa transfer which takes about 10 minutes.
(DIR) Post #AoJhUUqFVfQPkkCFNo by samsethi@podcastindex.social
2024-11-22T23:54:36Z
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@adam @bumi @ericpp @james @russell @dave Adam I hear that from you and Dave. But we have to focus on our platform and the solution we have devised may not be perfect but it works and its simple.
(DIR) Post #AoJi7l5J3Li3QHxdmC by adam@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T00:01:41Z
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@samsethi @bumi @ericpp @james @russell @dave No one said you have to retool, nor did anyone say you don't support us. This entire proposal in compatible with your setup. We need more apps with wallets or we don't have an ecosystem.
(DIR) Post #AoJiSGlmxRthU6c0x6 by bumi@kosmos.social
2024-11-23T00:05:22Z
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@adam @ericpp @samsethi @james @russell @dave That message does not make sense to me. You can't have both ways: "people can choose" vs. "use strike".Nothing has ever stopped any player from integrating strike except strike itself which does not care about podcasting so far and does not support it. What we need to strive for is open APIs that allows new provides to come in and build on top of it. (which is why we push NWC and see who all joins there)
(DIR) Post #AoJiVSHUcDJO3TxcDg by samsethi@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T00:05:58Z
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@adam @bumi @ericpp @james @russell @dave Adam I have jumped through every technical hoop you have asked. Chapters done, transcripts done, remote items for podroll or publisher feeds done. Wallet switching done. etc etc. I am trying to understand what you want next but I genuinely have no clue as to how I can support what you were asking for tonight. Cash app withdrew from Europe. Stiek is a nightmare for consumers to use in EU. Now what?
(DIR) Post #AoJifHc78CfDrnIBPc by russell@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T00:07:45Z
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@adam @samsethi @bumi @ericpp @james @dave agree we need more apps, but reality is it takes a lot to build these apps, and most don’t want the headache that this is. Remember I said I would never do V4V, it’s only after a lot of costly meetings have I came up with a solution and partnerships that cover Australia only. PodToo still has a lot to work on to make it work for US, UK and other countries all because of legal stuff. I am guessing most apps don’t want the pain
(DIR) Post #AoJiujsuIrK7tIW7ai by adam@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T00:10:32Z
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@samsethi @bumi @ericpp @james @russell @dave Ah, not asking for anything. Your allbyhub will be able to make payments as per the spec. There id now a new option of lnaddress next to keysend. Fountain supports both, and I presume wavlake does as well. This addition to the spec has been discussed openly here and on the show for months.
(DIR) Post #AoJj6Z4cKBE5psdK6q by samsethi@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T00:12:41Z
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@adam @bumi @ericpp @james @russell @dave I will look at lnaddress you know me in for a penny in for a pound but I was simply stating I understood zer of tonights show and I think I am semi-technical.
(DIR) Post #AoJqGJD2rR7JD2AWrw by Kolomona@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T01:32:52Z
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@adam @samsethi @james @russell @dave Regarding payment protocolsUltimately it doesn't matter what we use so long as:1. Transactions are sent directly from the listener to the artist (no 3rd party handling the splits)2. Everything is publicly transparent auditable.3. Something like the current TLV system is in place providing relevant metadata4. Cannot be a KYC only solutionRight now keysend meets these criteria. If your method of choice do not then it is sub-optimal.
(DIR) Post #AoKGKyCL0QFIIdim5w by bumi@kosmos.social
2024-11-23T00:34:42Z
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@samsethi @adam @ericpp @james @russell @dave Correct me if I am wrong, the LNAddress option is currently nothing more than a different transport format of the keysend details. There is no answer on how to to transfer boostagrams without keysend. So all the words thrown around sound amazing, but do not allow the basic functionality that has been achieved with PC2.0 payments.
(DIR) Post #AoKGL03C7O7W2rSV7Y by adam@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T06:25:01Z
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@bumi @samsethi @ericpp @james @russell @dave Incorrect. Please review this:https://github.com/Podcastindex-org/podcast-namespace/blob/main/value/lnaddress.mdLnaddress can be keysend and/or lnurlpIt is an abstraction of the payment information.
(DIR) Post #AoKGX3IbrjIzazPrMG by russell@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T02:07:48Z
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@bumi @samsethi @adam @ericpp @james @dave I think the issue is this is not backwards compatible - Dave & Adam. You will break thousands of RSS V4V keysend works fine. We should not be changing for shiny new objects imo. It’s up to apps to work out how they will work with FIAT customers and educate them to top up a wallet. The issue is strike becomes the node and potentially the next FTX when we have a crash in the market…At least with Alby I hold my lightning node
(DIR) Post #AoKGX4mmL322CqXT1M by adam@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T06:27:13Z
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@russell @bumi @samsethi @ericpp @james @dave Please review the spechttps://github.com/Podcastindex-org/podcast-namespace/blob/main/value/lnaddress.mdYou are not saying anything based on fact.
(DIR) Post #AoKGX5pITAdlQwizaK by russell@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T02:19:39Z
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@bumi @samsethi @adam @ericpp @james @dave Dave and Adam how can they operate in the US or any other country? (e) Cross-border. Strike only operates in its jurisdiction of incorporation (El Salvador) and does not operate in, or have any branch or entity based in, the country in which you are based. Strike does not have any licenses, authorizations, registrations, or similar in the country in which you are based, and operates solely on a cross-border basis.
(DIR) Post #AoKJMZvAXO2jRp9JGC by russell@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T06:58:58Z
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@adam @bumi @samsethi @ericpp @james @dave with Strike who holds the funds? Strike does. Who has the keys?Am guessing they don’t give each users their own node which means they hold your crypto. To prevent Money Laundering they need to be the custodians of the wallet and hold every BTC / Sats. They need to be able to close a wallet at any time and without notice. While Alby can do that too, the difference is I have the keys and can move my wallet anywhere.
(DIR) Post #AoKJWkbTfwDlTTmzfk by russell@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T07:00:48Z
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@adam @bumi @samsethi @ericpp @james @dave also Dave said it’s one or the other. I am assuming that Strike can’t do keysend payments (based on what I heard in the pod). And you can’t mix the two a keysend with a lnaddress for example say I have my lnaddress and another user opts for their keysend. Also it requires everyone to do the .well-known the same way. Which we don’t all do it the way Dave has documented it.
(DIR) Post #AoKOU8aiX5Xim00UOu by bumi@kosmos.social
2024-11-23T07:56:19Z
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@adam @russell @samsethi @ericpp @james @dave please elaborate. In that issue the focus is that the lnaddress is a different mechanism to have keysend information in the feed. potentially in the future this means a switch to some other way of payment can be made. but this is currently not practical - at least not when we want to do boostagrams.
(DIR) Post #AoKP2xcpIP4Otkb9vs by bumi@kosmos.social
2024-11-23T08:02:37Z
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@adam @samsethi @ericpp @james @russell @dave please elaborate.
As you say the lnaddress is a different mechanism to have payment information in the feed.
potentially in the future this means a switch to some other way of payment can be made. which is great. but for boostagrams no other method is currently practical or specified.
(DIR) Post #AoKPniOtibSnI3NTCi by ericpp@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T08:11:06Z
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@adam @bumi @samsethi @james @russell @dave This new version of an lnaddress with the options file can be either keysend or lnurl. Alby and Fountain implemented a previous one that was keysend-only, e.g. https://getalby.com/.well-known/keysend/ericppOutside of PC2.0, lnaddress has typically been lnurl-only, e.g. https://getalby.com/.well-known/lnurlp/ericpp
(DIR) Post #AoKvTlfF4Vjc9aYSES by dave@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T14:06:05Z
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@bumi @adam @samsethi @james @russell Bumi, Imagine I am a non-technical listener. On January 26th my Castamatic wallet stops working because my Alby hosted wallet goes away, and I can’t justify spending $20/mth (the cost for Alby hub) to send $5-$10 a month to podcasters. That’s not FUD. That’s reality. We’re /only/ thinking about how to solve that exact problem. We can’t pretend it doesn’t exist.
(DIR) Post #AoKwEyjiHtU2J49r4S by dave@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T14:14:36Z
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@bumi @adam @samsethi @ericpp @james @russell The lnaddress change is something that you were on board with Bumi. You and Oscar are the ones that asked for it, to decouple value blocks from node addresses so you were more free to change your infrastructure without breaking feeds. It’s only a .well-known abstraction that delivers all 3 payment options (keysend, bolt11, bolt12) as a lookup response.
(DIR) Post #AoKx0JsjUFcjUxx06q by russell@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T07:34:08Z
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@adam @bumi @samsethi @ericpp @james @dave I think the issue potentially is we are confusing the listener customer journey with the podcast creator system.I get Strike makes it easy to add funds via bank transfer, but it only applies in countries where this system has a license to operates.I have other issues with Strike from selling transaction data or offering our data to advertisers. Something I think the community does not accept.
(DIR) Post #AoKx0KynPC4Gu3nMCO by james@bne.social
2024-11-23T08:09:17Z
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@russell @adam @bumi @samsethi @ericpp @dave Every bank sells your data. Every single one.The key here is to make it easy/free for the customer to choose how to get money in and out. And for it not to look like a scammy mess.
(DIR) Post #AoKx0LzBfDyW1YzBRo by russell@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T08:16:29Z
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@james @adam @bumi @samsethi @ericpp @dave I agree with you James, just not something I like to see, and something when we as a community in this mastodon say the word advertising they say "no" so why should this be any different.But we are missing that the custodian of funds is not you or me if we use this service. Yes I know people like us most likely wouldn't use Strike and this is meant as the listener wallet solution.It still doesn't solve the WHY question.It solves the HOW question
(DIR) Post #AoKx0MuyCOCCum1KVs by james@bne.social
2024-11-23T08:26:57Z
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@russell @adam @bumi @samsethi @ericpp @dave I couldn’t give a flying fox whether anything is “custodial” or not. Nor do almost every person out there. The proof is how many of us use bank accounts. They are all custodial, after all. I wish we’d stop pandering to the 1% of the tinfoil hat brigade, and focus, instead, on the 99% of normal human beings who just want to support the things they love.
(DIR) Post #AoKx0NV81x7SiuwCsC by dave@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T14:23:07Z
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@james @russell @adam @bumi @samsethi @ericpp Yes. 🎯 This is what the whole board room discussion was about yesterday. Truefans has that ethos and works great for normie users. Sam has nailed the experience in that way. Our discussion was trying to figure out how to assemble the specs we have with the products available currently in the market to enable indie, single-dev apps to also provide that Truefans level of experience. If it’s not normie friendly then our work isn’t done.
(DIR) Post #AoKx0NvMSQ6S2HD9lI by russell@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T08:19:36Z
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@james @adam @bumi @samsethi @ericpp @dave and I mean the why do I need a wallet to listen to podcasts or support a creator, after all we have the funding tag which links to paypal if I really want to donate or send a comment to a podcast.That is an issue I see now with all these tags around payment / donations is we are confusing the listener and giving them too many options instead of making it a customer journey solution.We have thrown every "nerdy tech" solution at payments/donations.
(DIR) Post #AoKydWFLY5c75wmePI by adam@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T14:41:23Z
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@dave @james @russell @bumi @samsethi @ericpp New T-shirt slogan:"Normie Friendly"
(DIR) Post #AoKzCfH7yKlJETNLCi by bumi@kosmos.social
2024-11-23T14:47:48Z
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@dave @adam @samsethi @ericpp @james @russell I was and I am as mentioned several times. but to me you're describing it as something that it is not. No bostagrams can be sent through LNURL and nothing that has been built so far does. Now maybe you want to throw away whatever people had built in the past, then so be it...but currently you throw all together and the result is just FUD, imo.
(DIR) Post #AoKzGPgfrz302t71EW by bumi@kosmos.social
2024-11-23T14:48:28Z
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@dave @adam @samsethi @james @russell not even the date is correct in that message... 🤷
(DIR) Post #AoKzzq5sXOQUyWYuTg by bumi@kosmos.social
2024-11-23T00:14:07Z
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@adam @ericpp @samsethi @james @russell @dave Replacing the API of company A with the one of company B does not help anything. (everyone could implement both anyway)This discussion should be about the spec and not a company. The task here is to have an universal, open spec that tools and service providers can be built on top of. And you have that, the spec is there, it works, it's implemented, ...
(DIR) Post #AoKzzrIg3IG4iVYe48 by ericpp@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T00:18:43Z
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@bumi @adam @samsethi @james @russell @dave It would be nice if Strike supported NWC for linking its wallet to an application. That part of the process needs to be open rather than tied to a specific vendor API.
(DIR) Post #AoKzzsNg2Bqs4Iu9Uu by bumi@kosmos.social
2024-11-23T00:22:47Z
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@ericpp @adam @samsethi @james @russell @dave This will more likely happen. We had already done a some prototyping with/for them. And just as in PC.20 paymentand all the things, bigger companies wait for some proven adoption before they jump on it. NWC is on a good path (e.g. now with also Lightspark joining).
(DIR) Post #AoKzzsUPd9EuPC3Wzo by bumi@kosmos.social
2024-11-23T00:49:31Z
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@adam @ericpp @samsethi @james @russell @dave And I hope you don't get me wrong. I love Strike, I love Jack. We had conversations about PC2.0.And I would love them to join and support boostagrams!! I guess it's clear that openness and interoperability is what matters to me. Because only if that is guaranteed we will be able to have a chance and have options for different kinds of users wherever they are.
(DIR) Post #AoKzzt5dOl0uGdTG0u by kevinb66@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T00:31:33Z
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@bumi @ericpp @adam @samsethi @james @russell @dave The problem I see, and I haven’t heard today’s board meeting yet, is the podcast apps that use Alby, other than Truefans, requires the user to have their own Alby Hub on their home computer running 24/7 or pay for Alby’s shared node. No normal person will do this. Is it cost prohibitive for other app devs to do what Truefans is doing?I think people will trust their apps to choose a reliable wallet.
(DIR) Post #AoKzztsuRYQejSWbom by francosolerio@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T12:01:46Z
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@kevinb66 @bumi @ericpp @adam @samsethi @james @russell @dave It is not cost prohibitive, it is simply illegal, at least here in Italy. Or at least you should be prepared to spend enough money, time and resources to try to convince a judge that taking money from user, storing them, and sending them on user behalf is not "transmitting money”.
(DIR) Post #AoKzzudhdZrL4aPykq by kevinb66@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T14:49:02Z
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@francosolerio @bumi @ericpp @adam @samsethi @james @russell @dave I'm not a CPA or lawyer but have been in several different industries over my life. Maybe this is a dumb question. Why can't an app use its own Alby Hub, create sub accounts, and lock down its use so it can only be used to send sats within the app? Conceptually its no different than a restaurant issuing gift certificates to be redeemed at only that restaurant.
(DIR) Post #AoKzzvEvPBdKw1phlw by kevinb66@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T14:49:58Z
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@francosolerio @bumi @ericpp @adam @samsethi @james @russell @dave Users can get their unspent sats back as a refund if they want. I know that might be an accounting nightmare for an independent app. But I think conceptually it would be legal in the U.S.
(DIR) Post #AoKzzvvSr1f33xjg4u by adam@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T14:56:37Z
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@kevinb66 @francosolerio @bumi @ericpp @samsethi @james @russell @dave Regulations say differently. This is the exact reason getalby hosted wallets are being retired.
(DIR) Post #AoL0ODBSLDhJXNnCS0 by kevinb66@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T15:01:04Z
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@adam @francosolerio @bumi @ericpp @samsethi @james @russell @dave I think that's because they worked like a bank. They allowed sats to be spent anywhere. I would lock it down inside each app. If the sats could only be spent in-app or refunded they're not being a bank.I used to own a restaurant where we issued gift certificates. The money was held essentially in escrow (just a G/L entry) until the cert was used.I think the concept is the same.
(DIR) Post #AoL1nnzWjEA0t6yrMu by adam@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T15:16:54Z
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@bumi @dave @samsethi @ericpp @james @russell Work has already been done to replace the tlv
(DIR) Post #AoL352UCBtJiif6i80 by Kolomona@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T15:31:12Z
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@adam @bumi @dave @samsethi @ericpp @james @russell "Work has already been done to replace the tlv"I think that is great, maybe we can get it to Can you point to this work, please? I'd like to look it over.
(DIR) Post #AoL8kbRLdXR2lsPiN6 by StevenB@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T14:47:43Z
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@jamesI'm not sure it's exactly pandering to the 1%. We all want this to be easier. It started with LNPay hosting people's wallets, they pulled out, we scrambled to Alby hosting wallets. Now they're pulling out. It's always been custodial, because it's easiest, and we all liked it. But every time the wallet provider pulls out, we have to scramble. How do we prevent that from happening a third time?
(DIR) Post #AoL8kdHUn8k6TtosIC by francosolerio@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T15:13:21Z
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@StevenB @james I think we need a “big Alby”, same kind of interoperability and functionality, but with enough meat to be compliant to laws and regulations. Ideally more than one "big alby” with a common API.
(DIR) Post #AoL8ke4lpw9qwisE64 by StevenB@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T15:16:06Z
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@francosolerio @james Yeah, we need an Alby that is "too big to fail".
(DIR) Post #AoL8kevweEgzbdkgym by bumi@kosmos.social
2024-11-23T16:25:39Z
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@StevenB @francosolerio @james We need interoperability and a focus on the specs. That's why I comment so much on this here. And imo we have this. The PC2.0 spec is great and is improving. With NWC we now also have interoperability for wallets. No matter if it's big custodians (e.g. Lightspark, Strike, etc.) or self-hosted nodes. Saying Company A sucks, we need company B does not solve it and will just lead to the need of Company C once company B sucks. - and this is subjective.
(DIR) Post #AoL8kfgjqG7fwle3uq by ChadF@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T16:31:21Z
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@bumi @StevenB @francosolerio @james I’m falling in love with NWC and it seems to have potential. Pick your app and pick your wallet.
(DIR) Post #AoL8kgQ77YQ2DUsIds by adam@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T16:34:43Z
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@ChadF @bumi @StevenB @francosolerio @james NWC works perfectly with lnurlp. All that is being changed is how we signal to apps to use that instead of keysend, which is dead in the water.
(DIR) Post #AoLCOg0ONlWsNMbbu4 by rgblack316@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T15:17:28Z
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@bumi@kosmos.social@kosmos.social @dave @adam @samsethi @james@bne.social@bne.social @russell so instead of responding to the valid criticism you nitpick over the date? Can you please get serious for a moment...
(DIR) Post #AoLCOgzMj4InQT8IwS by bumi@kosmos.social
2024-11-23T15:27:52Z
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@rgblack316 @dave @adam @samsethi @james @russell see all my messages before that.I am very open for criticism, suggestions, anything. bring it on. and there for sure is much to criticize and to learn to get better.Let's separate Alby criticism from spec work, stuff like bolt12, LNURL, regulations, etc.
(DIR) Post #AoLCOhp7cdhc0zLdc8 by rgblack316@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T15:32:28Z
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@bumi @dave @adam @samsethi @james @russell It all comes across more like fear in your responses. That you think Alby's business model may collapse if this alternative is built and working. AlbyHub, hosted by Alby, is already cost prohibitive to the end user who is only a listener. Most will never send as much value as they are asked to pay for the product. It simply will not work. Alby has priced itself out of the market with this product in a lot of ways.
(DIR) Post #AoLCOijUF4mypnieTA by bumi@kosmos.social
2024-11-23T15:37:12Z
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@rgblack316 @dave @adam @samsethi @james @russell No, not at all. I guess otherwise we would also not invest that much energy in interoperability and building protocols that work independently. And we've always been actively engaging and encouraging others to support PC2.0 protocols. I assume this is known.And I also don't care that much about Alby here than constructive protocol development. (and btw. the podcasting v4v space is after all this time still tiny)
(DIR) Post #AoLCOjOFnVOmsEnD0q by rgblack316@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T15:39:02Z
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@bumi @dave @adam @samsethi @james @russell "(and btw. the podcasting v4v space is after all this time still tiny)" nothing like insulting the group of people you claim to be trying to help... Good job!
(DIR) Post #AoLCOk4RGf8uz4WtlY by bumi@kosmos.social
2024-11-23T15:44:07Z
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@rgblack316 @dave @adam @samsethi @james @russell now you really want to see insults? sorry if you feel insulted and thanks for the feedbackIt's not an insult that it's still small. We're here to grow it, aren't we? It should have been rather a comment on your point about the "business model".
(DIR) Post #AoLCOkkcjot35uGaWG by dave@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T17:15:34Z
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@bumi @rgblack316 @adam @samsethi @james @russell Tensions are running high. Can we put a timeout on this flame thread? Everyone is moving things forward as best they see fit from their perspective. A breather would probably be a good idea.
(DIR) Post #AoLCOnYKJzphmdXJGi by bumi@kosmos.social
2024-11-23T15:40:23Z
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@rgblack316 @dave @adam @samsethi @james @russell If you don't like Alby Hub then, that's fine. That's why protocols are important that everyone finds the right tool or service. A mistake that we made with the cloud hosting is to denominate the price in BTC while not being able to fast enough adopt to the quickly increase purchasing power. This is learned and will be corrected. As a price we're currently looking at is <10USD and hopefully cheaper in the future.
(DIR) Post #AoLCiTvuyZbej5xNQ0 by adam@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T17:19:11Z
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@dave @bumi @rgblack316 @samsethi @james @russell Amen.
(DIR) Post #AoLDOQlZ8nnJ4C7KtM by Kolomona@podcastindex.social
2024-11-23T17:26:46Z
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@adam @dave @bumi @rgblack316 @samsethi @james @russell No matter what we are all on the same team. We just have differing opinions.I love the passion we all have. Now put that passion work and make revolutionary things.I love all of you (no homo) 😀
(DIR) Post #AoLwC1GQcyeMR30cjo by samsethi@podcastindex.social
2024-11-24T00:17:05Z
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Now I understand why this weeks Podcasting 2.0 was all about Strike, LN Address and Bolt12 I look forward to hearing more about Fountains plans with Oscar for the podcasting 2.0 community on next weeks show. #faitaccompliJust learning that Nostr also supports LNAddress.
(DIR) Post #AoLwC2OyOh4xxq0xhA by adam@podcastindex.social
2024-11-24T01:48:45Z
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@samsethi Pretty much all lightning wallets support lnurlp