Post AoFBOt9OF9S2F4alEW by angietaylor@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AoEQ5Wbl8Tlayq7tCq by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-11-20T10:45:35Z
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Folks, please do delete your X accounts, by all means, but I’d be very surprised if that meant that your data is deleted or that Elon Musk won’t be using it to train his AI, etc.I put in a data deletion request after deactivating my account in 2022 and set the Irish DPC on them when they didn’t. After several back and forths, with the Irish DPC being less than worthless, I gave up. Afaict, there is zero enforcement of GDPR Article 17.CC @noybeu #x #twitter #gdpr #ElonMusk
(DIR) Post #AoEQEqpZJkFaJ324ye by Nicovel0@mastodon.social
2024-11-20T10:47:09Z
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@aral @noybeu but that’s something that could lead to a big EU fine if they pick it up
(DIR) Post #AoEQI6VLV06Bmp7mV6 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-11-20T10:47:26Z
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@noybeu Full alt text for the first image of the letter in the post above can be found at:https://codeberg.org/aral/gists/raw/branch/main/twitter-data-deletion-letter-to-me-part-one-alt-text.txt(It exceeds Mastodon’s character limit on alt-text.)#altText #mastodon
(DIR) Post #AoEQNyCTHtHdlh5qcK by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-11-20T10:48:58Z
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@Nicovel0 @noybeu I won’ hold my breath. The only time the EU – and especially Ireland – seems to enforce GDPR is when they’re sued by NOYB (CCed) and lose and are thus forced to, kicking and screaming.
(DIR) Post #AoEQQzg2Fl2nDXMbA0 by notmybackdoorbug@mastodon.social
2024-11-20T10:49:15Z
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@aral @noybeu I have the feeling there is almost no enforcement of GDPR, or too much enforcement of GDPR (see Dutch DPA and a soccer company wanting to live stream resulting in going bankrupt, it was way to much enforcement).
(DIR) Post #AoEQZxdRDLKdUUQNIu by dzwiedziu@mastodon.social
2024-11-20T10:51:05Z
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@aralOkay, this motivated me to start the download, clean, delete process.@noybeu
(DIR) Post #AoERy7TCOrGStgid04 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-11-20T11:06:37Z
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@noybeu Specifically, as far as the Irish DPC was concerned, “all data associated with the account being rendered unavailable through Twitter’s production tools” was enough for them to consider Twitter’s obligations under GDPR Article 17 to be fulfilled and for the complaint to be “amicably resolved.”At this point we’d had several back-and-forths and I decided it wasn’t worth my time to pursue it further given the Irish DPC’s clear lack of desire to enforce GDPR Article 17.
(DIR) Post #AoES1wlU8viGr264uG by yivy@mastodon.social
2024-11-20T11:06:38Z
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@aral @noybeu #1 Weird Trick To End Tinnitus This Thanksgiving In Just 30 Seconds A Dayhttps://tinyurl.com/4mm9zrn7
(DIR) Post #AoES69xD33Amuyacuu by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-11-20T11:07:56Z
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@noybeu Full alt text of the letter excerpts in the above post can be found at:https://codeberg.org/aral/gists/raw/branch/main/irish-dpc-letter-details-alt-texts.txt(They exceed Mastodon’s character limits for alt-text.)#mastodon #altText #characterLimit
(DIR) Post #AoESKiRBdV6Xv9YIs4 by bortzmeyer@mastodon.gougere.fr
2024-11-20T11:10:45Z
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@aral @noybeu Isn't it a bad advice? If you delete your account, a bad guy could register an account with the same identifier, and use (and waste) your reputation.
(DIR) Post #AoEThy61gR1j6GJ2lk by rrapio@fosstodon.org
2024-11-20T11:26:07Z
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@aral @noybeu it's virtually impossible that any big tech would actually delete someone's data entirely from their silos, IMHO. Technically they could. But it's way too much effort to implement (with no incentive or penalty), and even more complex to audit. Once there, it will always be there, in countless representations, structures, repositories...That strategy seems to be working pretty well for training data too.
(DIR) Post #AoEUN0O44R3Y4uJN56 by paguro@mapstodon.space
2024-11-20T11:33:16Z
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@aral @noybeu This applies to 99% of companies:GDPR "forget me" request sent.DPO looks at it, tells IT guys to run the deletionIT guys couldn't care less, wait a couple hours, go buy beers, get back and send ok email to DPODPO mails you "we've deleted your data"The problem lies in trust. And lies create a trust problem.
(DIR) Post #AoEWI6yCMtP4xG0UYi by angietaylor@mastodon.social
2024-11-20T11:55:07Z
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@aral @noybeu So I guess me deleting everything with CircleBoom was a massive waste of time and money too then? :-(
(DIR) Post #AoEXEHhwbScN3N8wV6 by LornaWoods@someone.elses.computer
2024-11-20T12:05:35Z
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@aral @noybeu Short of bringing a JR action and getting a reference to the CJEU yourself, is it worth contacting EDPB and ask them what Art 17 requires?
(DIR) Post #AoEYOf4QhDhWMTAl04 by riaschissl@sigmoid.social
2024-11-20T12:18:40Z
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@aral @noybeu NOYB EU is certainly a good start, but they are only a small team (of highly qualified and motivated experts), so you might be better off contacting a lawyer who specializes in GPDR. Winning against one of the big names could be very tempting for them too (and good for their reputation), perhaps even pro bono?
(DIR) Post #AoEZf8lu8SAt47vfhA by davehigginsnaples@mstdn.social
2024-11-20T12:32:50Z
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@aral @noybeu I locked my account and deleted all activity the day that Elmo decided TFG could come back if he wanted to.
(DIR) Post #AoEaIXBtHNxG5sruEa by lrt_writes@mstdn.party
2024-11-20T12:40:01Z
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@aral 😕
(DIR) Post #AoEaOzl9yRq8R6Rik4 by sirobsidian@fosstodon.org
2024-11-20T12:41:09Z
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@aral @noybeu Looks like your Data Protection Authority handled your complaint incorrectly.You can take legal action against the Irish DPC.https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/data-protection/reform/rights-citizens/redress/what-should-i-do-if-i-think-my-personal-data-protection-rights-havent-been-respected_en
(DIR) Post #AoEaSEjKlooHje8bIm by duviobaz@mastodon.social
2024-11-20T12:41:12Z
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@aral I would find it interesting to see you pursuing further action together with @noybeu. Please keep us updated about anything that happens
(DIR) Post #AoEc1ISP0P3ZNqV3Q0 by gyptazy@mastodon.gyptazy.com
2024-11-20T12:59:11Z
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@aral @noybeu ah, no! It’s still my major network where I target much more users than here and have also the possibility to convince beginners and new users to #opensource solutions and especially #FreeBSD at a time where they’re mostly not even aware of the Fediverse. They should come to the #Fediverse by their own will - if not, they go to #Threads or #Bsky - with a bad fragmentation.
(DIR) Post #AoEdiZtM9vqXrYJF6e by exus1pl@101010.pl
2024-11-20T13:18:16Z
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@aral @noybeu I'm thinking we need to prepare some lobbing for mandatory "delete all content I added" button on websites
(DIR) Post #AoEfuMKiazYtC7qxSy by gooba42@mastodon.social
2024-11-20T12:48:04Z
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@rrapio @aral @noybeu At best, your data is forever "marked for deletion" and at the mercy of at least a dozen internal systems being administered well and in good faith for it to all eventually disappear.
(DIR) Post #AoEfuNNEj7AcQE2U1w by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-11-20T13:42:53Z
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@gooba42 @rrapio @noybeu “Good faith” or Big Tech, pick one.
(DIR) Post #AoEg8cZV1CdtbxZFEe by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-11-20T13:45:23Z
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@angietaylor @noybeu God* only knows. It’s a black box.* Elon
(DIR) Post #AoEgMDBCDp68uhgEtM by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-11-20T13:47:53Z
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@bortzmeyer @noybeu Sure, it’s called identity theft and it’s illegal. Anyone can do it on any medium that you’re not a part of.
(DIR) Post #AoEgVGudiDmj66Fx6u by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-11-20T13:49:30Z
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@sirobsidian @noybeu Wish I had the time and money. Both are better spent on building the Small Web.
(DIR) Post #AoEh9wRmhtERUw9WHA by mcbalz@mastodon.social
2024-11-20T13:56:52Z
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@aral @noybeu if true this could result in serious fines for X in the EU. Why did you give up?
(DIR) Post #AoEhd1YslpDjl4L99s by elvisvan@mastodon.world
2024-11-20T14:02:05Z
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@aral @noybeu what was the reason behind your creation of a twitter account back in the day?
(DIR) Post #AoEhl0oFS0dFk4KuKe by f4grx@chaos.social
2024-11-20T14:03:35Z
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@aral @bortzmeyer @noybeu and even if your account is still present.
(DIR) Post #AoEihDUsR8Xdt61th2 by alex@corteximplant.com
2024-11-20T14:13:59Z
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@aral @noybeu I mean we are before the law, but some are more equal.If you start collecting private data, that’s against the GDPR, if they do, that’s ok.If you scrape the web that’s illegal and you may not do this because it’s their data. If they scrape the web to train AI, that’s ok.
(DIR) Post #AoEpNjzebbeOYq5Mie by arestelle@dice.camp
2024-11-20T15:17:54Z
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@rrapio @aral @noybeu for a bit I worked for a tech company that handles an enormous amount of traffic and so an enormous amount of data about people's online behavior, tied to IP addresses if not users. They archived data to avoid loss, and did it in a way that deleting PII from the archives when there's a gdpr deletion request would be astonishingly time-consuming and costly, so they didn't. And the data team that was trying to work on some degree of compliance wouldn't touch that
(DIR) Post #AoEpNlN5TxzOpo3asq by arestelle@dice.camp
2024-11-20T15:19:22Z
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@rrapio @aral @noybeu because the archives were another team's doing and responsibility so it was their problem, not the data team's 🙃
(DIR) Post #AoEpNmUZJdZGJIZ5BQ by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-11-20T15:28:55Z
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@arestelle @rrapio @noybeu Fun times :)
(DIR) Post #AoEttsLpT19NZ62JZA by IcyGrillz@noauthority.social
2024-11-20T16:20:09Z
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@aral @noybeu Is this the faggot convention?
(DIR) Post #AoEwbcRQBF7as6ddAG by FrankieBeast@masto.ai
2024-11-20T16:49:52Z
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@aral @noybeu I don't use actively X/twitter anymore by years. I still maintain active the account only to corrupt the data with incoherent following, avoiding personal info about what I do and writing nonsense stuff. Just for fun with AI.
(DIR) Post #AoExIAH0meFRxk3ZBY by harald@mementomori.social
2024-11-20T16:57:36Z
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@aral @noybeu I used a script to delete all my tweets. Requested a new datadump afterwards and it was the same size. Also the counter on my profile is the same. Really bad if the Irish didn't require Twitter to follow the law.
(DIR) Post #AoEyJrXtU3BAPfKJG4 by Brokar@mastodon.social
2024-11-20T17:09:04Z
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@aral Well, i guess you had your data exported before deactivation. Why not send a separate email for every post you made, asking them to delete the 'specific data', namely the post?I think everybody should do that after deletion. See if they react a little more forthcoming when the inbox gets flooded. And why do they think that article 17 doesn't apply to them? The only loophole i see is that they call on article 17 p.3d, for archieving purposes. But that would be a stretch before court.
(DIR) Post #AoF22QeuavdDv1YGLA by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-11-20T17:50:27Z
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@froge @noybeu It won’t as long as Ireland has a financial interest in pleasing Big Tech. Basically, Big Tech keeps the lights on in Ireland.
(DIR) Post #AoF25Ny33cfsRMud4i by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-11-20T17:50:59Z
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@Brokar And get a 💩 reply back for each? :)
(DIR) Post #AoFBOt9OF9S2F4alEW by angietaylor@mastodon.social
2024-11-20T19:35:31Z
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@aral @angietaylor @noybeu *Behemoth :-(
(DIR) Post #AoFFIi350RyvtDwvRo by Brokar@mastodon.social
2024-11-20T20:19:03Z
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@aral that's what spam filters are for 😜
(DIR) Post #AoGNERVhXz2sEJm0R6 by pascal_f@infosec.exchange
2024-11-21T09:23:00Z
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@aral@noybeu When you can't delete your data you should overload it.Instead of just deleting the account post nonsense.On the one hand all data will train AI or they will be deleted because of nonsense.You want to hide your address? Add more.After all it's still unbelievable undemocratic how the Irish DCP blocks out European Standards. And unbelievable that @EUCommission does nothing for years.