Post AoBBMeQRF6BlMUex84 by HauntedOwlbear@eldritch.cafe
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(DIR) Post #AoB87joqbgyxsrH3D6 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-18T20:40:37Z
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Journalism wasn’t always an academic discipline with prizes & prestige. I get the feeling there are people who wish they could put it back in the “trash writing, work-a-day propaganda milling for hacks & second class writers” box.They even seem to be winning. This is why I get so passionate about the need to recognize social media in the same way. To hold it to not just standards of decency but of excellence. Because it’s *media* and for many it’s their primary exposure to media.
(DIR) Post #AoB9oewYi5J9AVuYqm by barrygoldman1@sauropods.win
2024-11-18T20:59:31Z
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@futurebird I used to work hard to make to the point informative posts in 140 characters. an artform. and not vague click bait either.
(DIR) Post #AoBANdnKyNiHk1HK6q by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-18T21:05:53Z
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@barrygoldman1 Did you though... Barry?
(DIR) Post #AoBAqCtc3q1wiKpqGe by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-18T21:10:56Z
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@NikaShilobod @gleick I mean.But kind of actually this. Although, I think simply running social media is the best way to learn about how it works. IDK if anything has learned anything worth teaching. Though we ought to be writing the first histories.
(DIR) Post #AoBBMeQRF6BlMUex84 by HauntedOwlbear@eldritch.cafe
2024-11-18T21:16:54Z
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@futurebird Reading back, I think my intent and take is tangential to yours rather than really in response to it. But it also seems like the kind of thing that might interest you - happy to delete if I've derailed too far, however.I am not sure that limiting journalism to those who can afford to get a degree in it was actually a good idea.I'm probably biased, as I got on-the-job training in one area and at one point ended up doing news and investigative journalism - there are certainly points where I would have appreciated more training, a broader angle on my craft, I'll admit.But the prestige and academic clout of journalism means that you don't see a lot of people from disadvantaged backgrounds getting into the profession (I was less than six months sober and housed when I got my first staff gig, although I'd exchanged money for writing before).As a professional, it only seems to be becoming wealthier, whiter and more conformist, with the manufactured consent already inculcated before many writers even get their first gig.I'm not saying "everyone sells what they can to tawdry rags for money" is a better way (hell, even the tawdry rags prefer an oxbridge background these days), but there has to be some kind of middle ground.
(DIR) Post #AoBBjR8CpsBUn7zqNs by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-18T21:20:52Z
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@HauntedOwlbear This is another axis. And not one that isn't impacted by the first. But I don't think that marginalized voices are helped by not having some notion of Journalism as a difficult, and important endeavor rather than just being a human GPT mouthpiece for whoever pays you. Because that idea that journalism could Do Things and even that it's Needed is kind of new when you think about it. An Journalism can happen within in any media including Social Media.
(DIR) Post #AoBBpm8pdLCNgsJOQC by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-18T21:22:11Z
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@HauntedOwlbear That there are degrees and prizes are just some of the sign posts that indicate that Journalism is valued beyond being a way to make money and sway rubes. I think most people assume social media can only ever do that and since it's taking over ... that scares me.
(DIR) Post #AoBCJOYrrswbFIc6u8 by MLE_online@social.afront.org
2024-11-18T21:27:22Z
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@futurebird I feel like it needs to be something in between those two. If there are no standards, people with no scruples can get in and be as unethical as they want. But if it's an academic discipline, it filters out a lot of important voices and favors a certain kind of privileged background.I would like to see more people without college degrees working in journalism tbh. There are almost none of those these days.
(DIR) Post #AoBCiQQM50J2GKZE6i by HauntedOwlbear@eldritch.cafe
2024-11-18T21:29:48Z
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@futurebird I firmly agree - independent and citizen journalism has turned out the kind of work that puts my erstwhile profession to shame in recent years.And yes, I see where you're going with the idea that journalism - and social media - have a societally important impact that should be taken seriously for the benefits and genuine depth that can be found within.
(DIR) Post #AoBEsS2b7gxW55ManI by lolonurse@ohai.social
2024-11-18T21:56:16Z
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@futurebird Makes a lot of sense - but social media is still in the Wild West stages, seems to me. Anything goes. No standards or rules. And kind of like Forest Gump's box of chocolates. Except some of the chocolates are turds or coal, not nougat or cherries.
(DIR) Post #AoBKhq5TygWHCR2H1U by barrygoldman1@sauropods.win
2024-11-18T23:01:26Z
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@futurebird like to think so... who knows. no one's collected them into a book... tho i tried to write a history of scientific discoveries in 100 tweets. very hardhttps://blackskimmer.blogspot.com/2020/04/history-of-scientific-discovery-in-500.htmlan odd project!
(DIR) Post #AoGkDEbkKZBEryzfbk by raindrops_and_roses@mastodon.social
2024-11-21T13:40:56Z
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@futurebird @paninid Awards don't mean much these days. The quality threshold on most things is pretty low. It's a network outcome - how powerful is your network, who nominates, who votes, etc.